[gentoo-user] Re: A List Question

[gentoo-user] Re: A List Question

[James]

 <burlingk <at> cv63.navy.mil> writes:

> Is there a way to 
> select a list option so that I can get a plain text digest? 


There is a very nice, browser based interface to this list:

www.gmane.org

you have to registers, and it chokes up a few times a year,
but, it's really cool to view/post to the list via gmane.


If you are just reading, you can (last time I looked) just
read net news....


hth,

James



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[gentoo-user] Re: A List Question

[Grant Edwards]

On 2007-05-14, James <wireless@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> <burlingk <at> cv63.navy.mil> writes:
>
>> Is there a way to 
>> select a list option so that I can get a plain text digest? 
>
>
> There is a very nice, browser based interface to this list:
>
> www.gmane.org
>
> you have to registers, and it chokes up a few times a year,
> but, it's really cool to view/post to the list via gmane.
>
> If you are just reading, you can (last time I looked) just
> read net news....

You can both read and post using a news client via gmane.
[That's how this follow-up was posted.]

I gave up on normal mailing-list delivery a long time ago and
switched to gmane for 100% of the mailing lists I follow.

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[gentoo-user] Re: A List Question

[»Q«]

James <wireless@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

[about gmane.org]
> If you are just reading, you can (last time I looked) just
> read net news....

You can also post through their nntp server, as I am now.  You have to
be subscribed to the ml (I turn e-mail delivery off).  The first time
you post, gmane e-mails you a confirmation message, and you must reply
to it.

This doesn't give the flat digest the OP wants, but it might be enough
to only see the headers in the news client and download only what's
wanted.

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RE: [gentoo-user] Re: A List Question

[burlingk]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of >Q<
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:49 AM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: A List Question
> 
> 
> James <wireless@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> [about gmane.org]
> > If you are just reading, you can (last time I looked) just read net 
> > news....
> 
> You can also post through their nntp server, as I am now.  
> You have to be subscribed to the ml (I turn e-mail delivery 
> off).  The first time you post, gmane e-mails you a 
> confirmation message, and you must reply to it.
> 
> This doesn't give the flat digest the OP wants, but it might 
> be enough to only see the headers in the news client and 
> download only what's wanted.
> 
> -- 
> >Q<

My problem is that I do not often have proper internet access underway,
and I NEVER have NNTP access at all from the ship I am on.  I have to
deal with highly restrictive network policies.  Email is the only viable
option, I am just not sure if my account can handle a full mailing list
without digests.  However, the same network also makes the mime digests
almost impossible.  How do I disable mail delivery?  No matter what
commands I throw at the help server, it just sends me back a list of the
<list>-subscribe@ and <list>-unsubscribe@ email addresses.  :(

I am probably missing something obvious.



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[gentoo-user] Re: A List Question

[»Q«]

In
<news:AA0639A1EB70AE409130258CE7BDC31806646A79@messenger.cv63.navy.mil>,
<burlingk@cv63.navy.mil> wrote:

> My problem is that I do not often have proper internet access
> underway, and I NEVER have NNTP access at all from the ship I am on.
> I have to deal with highly restrictive network policies.  Email is
> the only viable option, I am just not sure if my account can handle a
> full mailing list without digests.  However, the same network also
> makes the mime digests almost impossible.

I'm afraid I don't have any suggestions that might work for you.
Hopefully someone else will.

> How do I disable mail delivery?  No matter what commands I throw at
> the help server, it just sends me back a list of the
> <list>-subscribe@ and <list>-unsubscribe@ email addresses.  :(

One of them should be gentoo-user+subscribe-nomail@

I believe if you have subscribed with mail delivery, you have to
unsubscribe then resubscribe using subscribe-nomail.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A List Question

[Enrico Weigelt]

* burlingk@cv63.navy.mil <burlingk@cv63.navy.mil> wrote:

Hi,

altough I missed the start of the thread ...

<snip>

> My problem is that I do not often have proper internet access underway,
> and I NEVER have NNTP access at all from the ship I am on.  I have to
> deal with highly restrictive network policies.  Email is the only viable
> option, I am just not sure if my account can handle a full mailing list
> without digests.  However, the same network also makes the mime digests
> almost impossible.

Are you able to do HTTP connects or UUCP callouts ? 


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A List Question

[Iain Buchanan]

On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 15:37 +0000, James wrote:
>  <burlingk <at> cv63.navy.mil> writes:
> 
> > Is there a way to 
> > select a list option so that I can get a plain text digest? 
> 
> 
> There is a very nice, browser based interface to this list:
> 
> www.gmane.org
> 
> you have to registers,

not if you just want to read the list :)

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RE: [gentoo-user] Re: A List Question

[burlingk]

Thank you for all the input.

I will give the gmane page a try when I am able.  Although that is not
an optimal option, it may still be better than just unsubscribing.

Thank you very much to all those who answered my questions. :)

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RE: [gentoo-user] Re: A List Question

[burlingk]

I think that once my internet access becomes functional (even then it
will just be .edu, .org, .gov, and .mil sites), I will see how well the
gmane page loads for me. :)  I will use it to read the messages, and
email to post.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Iain Buchanan [mailto:iaindb@netspace.net.au] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 9:07 AM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A List Question
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 15:37 +0000, James wrote:
> >  <burlingk <at> cv63.navy.mil> writes:
> > 
> > > Is there a way to
> > > select a list option so that I can get a plain text digest? 
> > 
> > 
> > There is a very nice, browser based interface to this list:
> > 
> > www.gmane.org
> > 
> > you have to registers,
> 
> not if you just want to read the list :)
> 
> -- 
> Iain Buchanan <iaindb at netspace dot net dot au>
> 
> The man who sets out to carry a cat by its tail learns 
> something that will always be useful and which never will 
> grow dim or doubtful.
> 		-- Mark Twain
> 
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RE: [gentoo-user] Re: A List Question

[burlingk]

Strictly http and https, and only through Internet Explorer.  I'll give
the gmane.org site a try when the network comes online. ^_^

If I can get enough of a connection to bring the pages up, then it may
be acceptable for reading purposes.  If that is the case, then I can use
email to post.

I will try to keep my inbox clean until then. ^_^
:)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Enrico Weigelt [mailto:weigelt@metux.de] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 7:27 AM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A List Question
> 
> 
> * burlingk@cv63.navy.mil <burlingk@cv63.navy.mil> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> altough I missed the start of the thread ...
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > My problem is that I do not often have proper internet access 
> > underway, and I NEVER have NNTP access at all from the ship 
> I am on.  
> > I have to deal with highly restrictive network policies.  
> Email is the 
> > only viable option, I am just not sure if my account can 
> handle a full 
> > mailing list without digests.  However, the same network also makes 
> > the mime digests almost impossible.
> 
> Are you able to do HTTP connects or UUCP callouts ? 
> 
> 
> cu
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A List Question

[Enrico Weigelt]

* burlingk@cv63.navy.mil <burlingk@cv63.navy.mil> wrote:

> Strictly http and https, and only through Internet Explorer.  

Ugh, why that ? 


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A List Question

[Florian Philipp]

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Am Dienstag 15 Mai 2007 02:45 schrieb burlingk@cv63.navy.mil:
> I think that once my internet access becomes functional (even then it
> will just be .edu, .org, .gov, and .mil sites), I will see how well the
> gmane page loads for me. :)  I will use it to read the messages, and
> email to post.
>


How do they find out if you're using IE or anything else?
AFAIK it is possible to make Firefox identify as IE (or any other browser for 
that matter),

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[gentoo-user] Re: A List Question

[Regis Decamps]

Florian Philipp wrote:
> Am Dienstag 15 Mai 2007 02:45 schrieb burlingk@cv63.navy.mil:
>> I think that once my internet access becomes functional (even then it
>> will just be .edu, .org, .gov, and .mil sites), I will see how well the
>> gmane page loads for me. :)  I will use it to read the messages, and
>> email to post.
>>
> 
> 
> How do they find out if you're using IE or anything else?
> AFAIK it is possible to make Firefox identify as IE (or any other browser for 
> that matter),

Yes, you can forge the User-Agent http header.

But with javascript, only IE will respond positively to: 
window.RunningIE4 or creating an ActiveX component.

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RE: [gentoo-user] Re: A List Question

[burlingk]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Regis Decamps
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 8:03 AM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: A List Question
> 
> 
> Florian Philipp wrote:
> > Am Dienstag 15 Mai 2007 02:45 schrieb burlingk@cv63.navy.mil:
> >> I think that once my internet access becomes functional 
> (even then it 
> >> will just be .edu, .org, .gov, and .mil sites), I will see 
> how well 
> >> the gmane page loads for me. :)  I will use it to read the 
> messages, 
> >> and email to post.
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > How do they find out if you're using IE or anything else? 
> AFAIK it is 
> > possible to make Firefox identify as IE (or any other 
> browser for that 
> > matter),
> 
> Yes, you can forge the User-Agent http header.
> 
> But with javascript, only IE will respond positively to: 
> window.RunningIE4 or creating an ActiveX component.
> 
That still does not resolve the issues of a really crappy
bandwidth issue, and a firewall that blocks most sites. :P
Gmane is a .org site, so I can get too it, just slowly. ^_^

I have tried to figure out how to find the gentoo-user specific
pages in gmane, but the interface is not super-intuitive.  I may
give it another try today. :)
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RE: [gentoo-user] Re: A List Question

[Iain Buchanan]

On Sun, 2007-06-10 at 09:21 +0900, burlingk@cv63.navy.mil wrote:

> I have tried to figure out how to find the gentoo-user specific
> pages in gmane, but the interface is not super-intuitive.  I may
> give it another try today. :)

http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user

HTH,
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