[gentoo-user] Xserver on Dell Inspiron M1710

[gentoo-user] Xserver on Dell Inspiron M1710

[Colleen Beamer]

Hi all,

I'm having a heck of a time.  I've tried so many things, that I'm
totally confused.

After installing xorg-x11, I ran Xorg -configure.  It gives me a file
with no horizontal or vertical sync.  I tried using the ddcxinfo-knoppix
tool, but when I did ddxcinfo-knoppix -hsync, it returned 0 0.  When I
did ddxcinfo-knoppix -modelines, it didn't have a matching mode for my
monitor - the default being 1920x1200.  I assume that because I don't
have a horizontal and vertical sync in my xorg.conf file that's why the
screen becomes all garbled when startx bombs out.

Xorg.0.log tells me that there is no core keyboard or mouse.  I've built
support into the kernel.  in /dev/input/ there are choices for mice
mouse0 and mouse1. I've tried using all of these and trying various
drivers, but nothing works.

Does anyone have a Dell Inspiron M1710 and will let me take a look at
their xorg.conf file?

Any and all help would be appreciated.

Regards,

Colleen
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Re: [gentoo-user] Xserver on Dell Inspiron M1710

[C Lee Davis]

Colleen Beamer wrote:
> Does anyone have a Dell Inspiron M1710 and will let me take a look at
> their xorg.conf file?
> 
This is from my XPS M1710; I'm not sure how similar they are, but I hope it helps.

Section "ServerLayout"
	Identifier     "X.org Configured"
	Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0
	InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
	InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "Files"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/misc"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/TTF"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/Type1"
EndSection

Section "Module"
	Load  "glx"
	Load  "extmod"
	Load  "xtrap"
	Load  "record"
	Load  "dbe"
	Load  "dri"
	Load  "freetype"
	Load  "type1"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier  "Keyboard0"
	Driver      "kbd"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier  "Mouse0"
	Driver      "mouse"
	Option	    "Protocol" "auto"
	Option	    "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
	Option	    "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
	Identifier   "Monitor0"
	VendorName   "Monitor Vendor"
	ModelName    "Monitor Model"
EndSection
Section "Monitor"
	Identifier   "Monitor1"
	VendorName   "Monitor Vendor"
	ModelName    "Monitor Model"
EndSection

Section "Device"
	Identifier  "Card0"
	Driver      "nvidia"
	VendorName  "nVidia Corporation"
	BoardName   "Unknown Board"
	BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
	Option      "NoLogo" "True"
	Option      "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
        Screen      0
	Option      "TwinView"
	Option      "MetaModes" "1920x1200 1280x1024,1920x1200"
	Option      "TwinViewOrientation" "LeftOf"
	Option      "SecondMonitorHorizSync" "UseEdidFreqs"
	Option      "SecondMonitorVertRefresh" "UseEdidFreqs"
	Option      "AddARGBGLXVisuals"
	Option      "NvAGP" "1"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
	Identifier "Screen0"
	Device     "Card0"
	Monitor    "Monitor0"
        Option      "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "true"
	SubSection "Display"
		Viewport   0 0
		Depth     1
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Viewport   0 0
		Depth     4
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Viewport   0 0
		Depth     8
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Viewport   0 0
		Depth     15
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Viewport   0 0
		Depth     16
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Viewport   0 0
		Depth     24
	EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "Extensions"
	Option "Composite" "true"
EndSection


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RE: [gentoo-user] Xserver on Dell Inspiron M1710

[JD]

I just caught the tail of this thread... is this about an nvidia video?
If so, even under Ubuntu I had troubles with X.  I downloaded the nvidia
source for the driver for mine (on a couple of different machines), and
compiled it, then modprobe'd it, then added it to the autoload conf file.
X worked very nicely after that.  I just went through this same headache
with another Dell (D420) which had an Intel graphics onboard chip.
Although, in that instance, Noven really came through, showing me some of
his xorg.conf file, and pointing out the need for some fancy driver
loading...
Nvidia seems to have its own brand of headache with Linux on a few distro's.
I've taken it as a rule of thumb to compile-load-add_to_conf to avoid all of
their mess on all of my machines.
I don't know if gentoo has this in portage (easy enough to check for it),
but Ubuntu has an nvidia-kernel package that is apt-able, and then with the
driver in hand, it can be compiled and loaded.  I'm sure gentoo, (being a
superior development machine) has it (or something quite similar).

-----Original Message-----
From: Mick [mailto:michaelkintzios@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 3:44 AM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Xserver on Dell Inspiron M1710

On Thursday 03 May 2007 01:08, Colleen Beamer wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm having a heck of a time.  I've tried so many things, that I'm
> totally confused.
>
> After installing xorg-x11, I ran Xorg -configure.  It gives me a file
> with no horizontal or vertical sync.  

I would think then that you would have to enter these yourself - check the 
manufacturers manual, or the equivalent OEM product specification.  What I 
mean here is that Dell are assemblers, or box-shifters, they don't actually 
manufacture components.  Their products are usually similar with other 
differently branded products.  If you find the OEM then you should be able
to 
source the hsync for it.  

Alternatively, you could try different LiveCDs for one that successfully 
guesses these parameters and run xvidtune to see what they are, or look 
at /var/log/Xorg.0.log.  You could do well to see if they load any
particular 
modules for your monitor/keyboard/mouse too.

If you haven't yet wiped out WinXP you could run msinfo.msc to find out what

the monitor reports to the MSWindows kernel.

Finally, you could try installing Ubuntu, SUSE, Fedora, etc. to find one
that 
recognises and configures your hardware before you copy xorg.conf for using 
it thereafter with Gentoo.

> I tried using the ddcxinfo-knoppix 
> tool, but when I did ddxcinfo-knoppix -hsync, it returned 0 0.  When I
> did ddxcinfo-knoppix -modelines, it didn't have a matching mode for my
> monitor - the default being 1920x1200.  I assume that because I don't
> have a horizontal and vertical sync in my xorg.conf file that's why the
> screen becomes all garbled when startx bombs out.

and, or it could be because you need some special driver (not familiar with 
nvidia I'm afraid).

> Xorg.0.log tells me that there is no core keyboard or mouse.  I've built
> support into the kernel.  in /dev/input/ there are choices for mice
> mouse0 and mouse1. I've tried using all of these and trying various
> drivers, but nothing works.

I'm afraid I'm not sure how to help here, but if your mouse/keyboard are not

configured properly you may never be able to boot into X.  Have you set up 
something like: 

INPUT_DEVICES="keyboard mouse synaptics"

in your /etc/make.conf before you emerged Xorg?  You may need to also search

around for evdev (I think).

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Re: [gentoo-user] Xserver on Dell Inspiron M1710

[Colleen Beamer]

C Lee Davis wrote:
> Colleen Beamer wrote:
>> Does anyone have a Dell Inspiron M1710 and will let me take a look at
>> their xorg.conf file?
>>
> This is from my XPS M1710; I'm not sure how similar they are, but I hope it helps.

I'm still having problems.  I pretty much duplicated the xorg.conf file
below.  The only think I changed was that I commented the line 'Load
"dri" because my understanding was that this was necessary to allow the
nvidia glx module to work.

I'm still getting the following messages and I've tried various things
for the drivers, for example 'mouse', 'mice' 'psaux':

No input driver matching 'mouse'
No input driver matching 'kbd'
No core pointer registered
No core keyboard

My make.conf file *does* contain "INPUT_DEVICES="keyboard mouse"

The only relevant thing that I can find in dmesg is:

mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
Input: AT Translated Set2 keyboard as /clas/input/input0

Mouse support is compiled into my kernel (genkernel)
Although the section for keyboard is there, there isn't a relevant
choice to pick, but I assume that's because this is a laptop.

I don't know if this make any difference or if the information will
help, but when I was setting up gentoo, I did the thing where I copied
the configuration as detected by the live cd into my chroot'd
environment, so I don't understand why I'm having this problem.

Any ideas?

Regards,

Colleen
> 
> Section "ServerLayout"
> 	Identifier     "X.org Configured"
> 	Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0
> 	InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
> 	InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Files"
> 	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/misc"
> 	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi"
> 	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi"
> 	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/TTF"
> 	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/Type1"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Module"
> 	Load  "glx"
> 	Load  "extmod"
> 	Load  "xtrap"
> 	Load  "record"
> 	Load  "dbe"
> 	Load  "dri"
> 	Load  "freetype"
> 	Load  "type1"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "InputDevice"
> 	Identifier  "Keyboard0"
> 	Driver      "kbd"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "InputDevice"
> 	Identifier  "Mouse0"
> 	Driver      "mouse"
> 	Option	    "Protocol" "auto"
> 	Option	    "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
> 	Option	    "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Monitor"
> 	Identifier   "Monitor0"
> 	VendorName   "Monitor Vendor"
> 	ModelName    "Monitor Model"
> EndSection
> Section "Monitor"
> 	Identifier   "Monitor1"
> 	VendorName   "Monitor Vendor"
> 	ModelName    "Monitor Model"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Device"
> 	Identifier  "Card0"
> 	Driver      "nvidia"
> 	VendorName  "nVidia Corporation"
> 	BoardName   "Unknown Board"
> 	BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
> 	Option      "NoLogo" "True"
> 	Option      "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
>         Screen      0
> 	Option      "TwinView"
> 	Option      "MetaModes" "1920x1200 1280x1024,1920x1200"
> 	Option      "TwinViewOrientation" "LeftOf"
> 	Option      "SecondMonitorHorizSync" "UseEdidFreqs"
> 	Option      "SecondMonitorVertRefresh" "UseEdidFreqs"
> 	Option      "AddARGBGLXVisuals"
> 	Option      "NvAGP" "1"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Screen"
> 	Identifier "Screen0"
> 	Device     "Card0"
> 	Monitor    "Monitor0"
>         Option      "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "true"
> 	SubSection "Display"
> 		Viewport   0 0
> 		Depth     1
> 	EndSubSection
> 	SubSection "Display"
> 		Viewport   0 0
> 		Depth     4
> 	EndSubSection
> 	SubSection "Display"
> 		Viewport   0 0
> 		Depth     8
> 	EndSubSection
> 	SubSection "Display"
> 		Viewport   0 0
> 		Depth     15
> 	EndSubSection
> 	SubSection "Display"
> 		Viewport   0 0
> 		Depth     16
> 	EndSubSection
> 	SubSection "Display"
> 		Viewport   0 0
> 		Depth     24
> 	EndSubSection
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Extensions"
> 	Option "Composite" "true"
> EndSection
> 
> 


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Re: [gentoo-user] Xserver on Dell Inspiron M1710

[Iain Buchanan]

On Fri, 2007-05-04 at 00:32 -0400, Colleen Beamer wrote:

> Mouse support is compiled into my kernel (genkernel)
> Although the section for keyboard is there, there isn't a relevant
> choice to pick, but I assume that's because this is a laptop.

are you able to post your kernel .config file somewhere?  Perhaps
there's a problem there...
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Re: [gentoo-user] Xserver on Dell Inspiron M1710

[david]

What happens when you;

emerge -pv xorg-x11


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Re: [gentoo-user] Xserver on Dell Inspiron M1710

[Colleen Beamer]

Iain Buchanan wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-05-04 at 00:32 -0400, Colleen Beamer wrote:
> 
>> Mouse support is compiled into my kernel (genkernel)
>> Although the section for keyboard is there, there isn't a relevant
>> choice to pick, but I assume that's because this is a laptop.
> 
> are you able to post your kernel .config file somewhere?  Perhaps
> there's a problem there...

I'll try, but it won't be until tonight.

Regards,

Colleen

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Re: [gentoo-user] Xserver on Dell Inspiron M1710

[Hans-Werner Hilse]

Hi,

On Fri, 04 May 2007 08:48:20 -0400 Colleen Beamer
<colleen.beamer@gmail.com> wrote:

> > What happens when you;
> > 
> > emerge -pv xorg-x11
> > 
> What do you mean, "What happens"? It emerges, no error messages.

Well, with the "-p" flag it should just pretend to. And show the
effective USE flags, which might be interesting for us to see in order
to match them with your statement that you have correctly configured
them.

But then, I don't think this won't lead us to the problem's core,
either, and would rather suggest that you extract the relevant lines
from /var/log/Xorg.0.log, i.e. those showing the _exact_ warning and
error messages regarding mouse/keyboard and stuff.

Or did you just mess up your kernel configuration, e.g. modules not
installed, old initramfs, and similar stuff? I take it we're still
talking about that machine which doesn't present framebuffer console
either?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Xserver on Dell Inspiron M1710

[Rumen Yotov]

On Fri, 04 May 2007 08:48:20 -0400
Colleen Beamer <colleen.beamer@gmail.com> wrote:

> david wrote:
> > What happens when you;
> > 
> > emerge -pv xorg-x11
> > 
> What do you mean, "What happens"? It emerges, no error messages.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Colleen
> > 
> 
> 
Hi,
Don't have the OP mail-thread, but just a suggestion - boot with some
Live-CD (Knoppix comes in mind), copy the generated xorg.conf.
Later play with it, man pages, Google, ML etc.
At least will have a working Xorg.
HTH. Rumen
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RE: [gentoo-user] Xserver on Dell Inspiron M1710

[JD]

I might be able to help as well (also didn't see the earlier part of this
thread)... I have several M710's at work running both gentoo and Ubuntu, and
X is running ok on them.  Getting the config from a liveCD is a good place
to start if you're really not sure.  One thing though - since some other
items were mentioned (albeit briefly), regarding kernel and splashimage,
maybe a quick review of the system would refresh those of us who are now on
the radar with you... sounds like re-hashing, but we can't fix one thing and
break three others.  The idea here is to get you up and running with the
least additional frustration...

-----Original Message-----
From: Rumen Yotov [mailto:rumen@qrypto.org] 
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 9:11 AM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Xserver on Dell Inspiron M1710

On Fri, 04 May 2007 08:48:20 -0400
Colleen Beamer <colleen.beamer@gmail.com> wrote:

> david wrote:
> > What happens when you;
> > 
> > emerge -pv xorg-x11
> > 
> What do you mean, "What happens"? It emerges, no error messages.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Colleen
> > 
> 
> 
Hi,
Don't have the OP mail-thread, but just a suggestion - boot with some
Live-CD (Knoppix comes in mind), copy the generated xorg.conf.
Later play with it, man pages, Google, ML etc.
At least will have a working Xorg.
HTH. Rumen
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Re: [gentoo-user] Xserver on Dell Inspiron M1710

[Iain Buchanan]

On Fri, 2007-05-04 at 08:50 -0400, Colleen Beamer wrote:
> Iain Buchanan wrote:
> > On Fri, 2007-05-04 at 00:32 -0400, Colleen Beamer wrote:
> > 
> >> Mouse support is compiled into my kernel (genkernel)
> >> Although the section for keyboard is there, there isn't a relevant
> >> choice to pick, but I assume that's because this is a laptop.
> > 
> > are you able to post your kernel .config file somewhere?  Perhaps
> > there's a problem there...
> 
> I'll try, but it won't be until tonight.

pastebin is good for this kind of thing (pastebin.com).  Just let us
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Re: [gentoo-user] Xserver on Dell Inspiron M1710

[Colleen Beamer]

Hi all,

First, I have to thank you *all* for your patience with me.  I'm not a
developer and my formal computer training is limited.  However, I'm not
stupid (I know no one has implied that), but I get a little frustrated
when I've done something successfully a half dozen times and now it
doesn't work.  The difference with this Gentoo install is the nvidia
card.  I've always used ATI cards and after this experience, I think I
still prefer them. Anyway, ....

Iain Buchanan wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-05-04 at 08:50 -0400, Colleen Beamer wrote:
>> Iain Buchanan wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2007-05-04 at 00:32 -0400, Colleen Beamer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mouse support is compiled into my kernel (genkernel)
>>>> Although the section for keyboard is there, there isn't a relevant
>>>> choice to pick, but I assume that's because this is a laptop.
>>> are you able to post your kernel .config file somewhere?  Perhaps
>>> there's a problem there...
>> I'll try, but it won't be until tonight.
> 
> pastebin is good for this kind of thing (pastebin.com).  Just let us
> know the number!

I think I *may* have solved my problem. I had nvidia (NV2) support built
into the kernel.  I rebuilt the kernel without nvidia support, removed
xorg-x11 and removed nvidia-drivers.  Then I did emerge --update --deep
nvidia-drivers.  A bunch of stuff was updated because of newer versions
being available, but a number of things were installed - like kbd and
mouse.  I don't know maybe having nvidia support built into the kernel
was preventing the xorg drivers for mouse and keyboard being installed.

I *did* read the nvidia guide, but I must have misunderstood because I
thougt that only older nv drivers were incompatible with newer cards.

Anyway, now I'm emerging KDE.  Will let you know officially how it goes.

Regards,

Colleen


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Re: [gentoo-user] Xserver on Dell Inspiron M1710

[Nikola Goranov]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Thursday 03 May 2007, Mick wrote:
>   
>
> Colleen's machine is a laptop. They don't have horiz and vert sync 
> signals... Those settings apply only to CRT displays.
>
> 99 times out of 100, LCD screens do just fine with a minimal xorg.conf. 
> Here's mine:
> Section "Monitor"
> #       HorizSync       64.8 - 64.8
> #       VertRefresh     60.0 - 60.0
>         Identifier      "Monitor0"
>         VendorName      "Monitor Vendor"
>         ModelName       "Monitor Model"
>         Option          "DPMS" "true"
> #       DisplaySize     331 207
> EndSection
>
> Section "Device"
>         ### Available Driver options are:-
>         ### Values: <i>: integer, <f>: float, <bool>: "True"/"False",
>         ### <string>: "String", <freq>: "<f> Hz/kHz/MHz"
>         ### [arg]: arg optional
>         #Option         "HWCursor"              "false"
>         # Check if these three really work on this hardware...
>         #Option         "ShadowFB"              # [<bool>]
>         #Option         "VGAClocks"             # [<bool>]
>         #Option         "KGAUniversal"          # [<bool>]
>         Identifier      "Card0"
>         Driver          "radeon"
>         Option          "AGPMode" "4"
>         #Option          "AGPFastWrite" "True"
>         Option          "EnablePageFlip" "True"
>         Option          "AccelMethod" "xaa"
>         BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Screen"
>         Identifier      "Screen0"
>         Device          "Card0"
>         Monitor         "Monitor0"
>         DefaultDepth    24
>         SubSection "Display"
>                 Viewport   0 0
>                 Depth      24
>                 Modes      "1680x1050"
>         EndSubSection
> EndSection
>
> Notice how the only things that are uncommented are unky radeon driver 
> settings. I can even take the "Modes" line out and it all still works 
> just fine. That's because virtually all modern monitors/cards speak DDC 
> and Xorg can ask the hardware when it starts what the hardware 
> supports.
>
> The only thing Colleen *has* to customize here is the correct "Driver" 
> for her nvdia card
>
> alan
>
>
>   

I may be wrong but I think this is not quite correct. I had to look for 
the specs (hsync, vsync) of my LCD because X was trying to run it on 
higher refresh rates resulting in out of range errors. On the other hand 
Colleen said the screen was "garbled" - doesn't seem to be an out of 
range problem. Probably it would be best if Colleen attached or linked 
to Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf and maybe kernel output [if that kernel 
recompilation didn't fix the problems of course].
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Re: [gentoo-user] Xserver on Dell Inspiron M1710

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On Sat, 05 May 2007 03:24:55 -0400, Colleen Beamer wrote:

> Okay, the installation of kde went fine.  However, when I'm presented
> with the login screen for my user id, I get the message:
> 
> Could not start kstartupconfig.  Check your installation.

I've seen this caused by permissions. Make sure everything in ~/.kde3.5
is owned by the user

chown -R user: ~user/.kde3.5

or even

chown -R user: ~user


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Re: [gentoo-user] Xserver on Dell Inspiron M1710

[Allan Gottlieb]

At Fri, 04 May 2007 12:03:12 -0400 Colleen Beamer <colleen.beamer@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've always used ATI cards and after this experience, I think I
> still prefer them.

I understand your frustration and going back to ATI in the future is
certainly an option.  I should add however that there have been quite
a number of reports to this mailing list documenting frustration with
ATI (I have never had ATI myself).  My own very unscientific summary
of the situation is that ATI has been less favorably reviewed then
nvidia.  Another view expressed is essentially "a pox on both your
houses", proprietary drivers are problematic by nature.

good luck.
allan
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[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Saturday 05 May 2007 19:49:11 Allan Gottlieb wrote:
> > I've always used ATI cards and after this experience, I think I
> > still prefer them.
>
> [...] My own very unscientific summary of the situation is that ATI has been
> less favorably reviewed then nvidia. [...]

One could say that the open source drivers for ati cards are considerably 
better than the open source drivers for nvidia *because* the proprietary ati 
drivers are so horrible compared to the proprietary drivers from nvidia... :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Xserver on Dell Inspiron M1710

[Colleen Beamer]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 05 May 2007 03:24:55 -0400, Colleen Beamer wrote:
> 
>> Okay, the installation of kde went fine.  However, when I'm presented
>> with the login screen for my user id, I get the message:
>>
>> Could not start kstartupconfig.  Check your installation.
> 
> I've seen this caused by permissions. Make sure everything in ~/.kde3.5
> is owned by the user

Thanks for the tip - another one from the list that I'll file away for
future reference. :-)  This worked, but the problem was actually my
/home/colleen directory.  /home is on a separate partition and I
actually had to create the colleen directory, which I did as root and
ergo, it was owned by root.  All is cool now!

Regards,

Colleen

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