[gentoo-user] trying kde "no support for hal"??

[gentoo-user] trying kde "no support for hal"??

[Iain Buchanan]

Hi again,

The kde tryout is progressing well.  However, I just tried to plug in my
usb storage drive.  Nothing happened.

I found the Settings > Peripheral > storage media; and there is an
option:
"Enable HAL backend (No support for HAL on this system)" which is greyed
out.

I have definately compiled kdebase with the hal use flag - is there
something else I need to recompile?

USE="hal" emerge -p --newuse world

doesn't give me anything kde related.

I can't find much help on this, so any tips would be appreciated.

thanks,
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Re: [gentoo-user] trying kde "no support for hal"??

[Rumen Yotov]

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On Sun, 2006-02-19 at 16:21 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> Hi again,
> 
> The kde tryout is progressing well.  However, I just tried to plug in my
> usb storage drive.  Nothing happened.
> 
> I found the Settings > Peripheral > storage media; and there is an
> option:
> "Enable HAL backend (No support for HAL on this system)" which is greyed
> out.
> 
> I have definately compiled kdebase with the hal use flag - is there
> something else I need to recompile?
> 
> USE="hal" emerge -p --newuse world
> 
> doesn't give me anything kde related.
> 
> I can't find much help on this, so any tips would be appreciated.
> 
> thanks,
> -- 
> Iain Buchanan <iain at netspace dot net dot au>
> 
> Pascal is a language for children wanting to be naughty.
> 		-- Dr. Kasi Ananthanarayanan
> 
Hi,
Assume you have "sys-apps/hal" installed.
Have you started it-/etc/init.d/hald start (rc-update add hald default).
As there's a close relation between kernel version & dbus,hal,ivman
versions, not all combinations work, watch out.
HTH.Rumen

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Re: [gentoo-user] trying kde "no support for hal"??

[Iain Buchanan]

On Sun, 2006-02-19 at 09:07 +0200, Rumen Yotov wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-02-19 at 16:21 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> > Hi again,
> > 
> > The kde tryout is progressing well.  However, I just tried to plug in my
> > usb storage drive.  Nothing happened.
> > 
> > I found the Settings > Peripheral > storage media; and there is an
> > option:
> > "Enable HAL backend (No support for HAL on this system)" which is greyed
> > out.

> Assume you have "sys-apps/hal" installed.
> Have you started it-/etc/init.d/hald start (rc-update add hald default).

sorry, in my haste I forgot to mention that, yes I have it installed and
started (before I logged into kde).

> As there's a close relation between kernel version & dbus,hal,ivman
> versions, not all combinations work, watch out.

hmm, I have linux-2.6.15-r5 (suspend2); hal 0.5.5.1-r3; dbus 0.60-r4;
and ivman I've never heard of!! What do I need it for?

Do you see any problems with these versions?

thanks,
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and it were but to roast their eggs.
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Re: [gentoo-user] trying kde "no support for hal"??

[Rumen Yotov]

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On Sun, 2006-02-19 at 17:52 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-02-19 at 09:07 +0200, Rumen Yotov wrote:
> > On Sun, 2006-02-19 at 16:21 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> > > Hi again,
> > > 
> > > The kde tryout is progressing well.  However, I just tried to plug in my
> > > usb storage drive.  Nothing happened.
> > > 
> > > I found the Settings > Peripheral > storage media; and there is an
> > > option:
> > > "Enable HAL backend (No support for HAL on this system)" which is greyed
> > > out.
> 
> > Assume you have "sys-apps/hal" installed.
> > Have you started it-/etc/init.d/hald start (rc-update add hald default).
> 
> sorry, in my haste I forgot to mention that, yes I have it installed and
> started (before I logged into kde).
> 
> > As there's a close relation between kernel version & dbus,hal,ivman
> > versions, not all combinations work, watch out.
> 
> hmm, I have linux-2.6.15-r5 (suspend2); hal 0.5.5.1-r3; dbus 0.60-r4;
> and ivman I've never heard of!! What do I need it for?
> 
> Do you see any problems with these versions?
> 
> thanks,
> -- 
> Iain Buchanan <iain at netspace dot net dot au>
> 
> It is the nature of extreme self-lovers, as they will set an house on fire,
> and it were but to roast their eggs.
> 		-- Francis Bacon
Hi,
i've the same versions of gentoo-sources,dbus&hal +sys-apps/ivman-0.6.9.
 eix ivman
* sys-apps/ivman
     Available versions:  0.5_pre2 0.5_pre3 0.6.4 0.6.5 0.6.6 0.6.8
0.6.9
     Installed:           0.6.9
     Homepage:            http://ivman.sf.net
     Description:         Daemon to mount/unmount devices, based on info
from HAL
IMO you should also install ivman which will install 'pmount', as dep.
Check that all daemons are started.
Rumen

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Re: [gentoo-user] trying kde "no support for hal"??

[Iain Buchanan]

On Sun, 2006-02-19 at 10:59 +0200, Rumen Yotov wrote:

> IMO you should also install ivman which will install 'pmount', as dep.

I already have pmount for some reason.  If that's the only reason to
install ivman, then I'll ignore ivman.

> Check that all daemons are started.

yep, they are.

thanks,
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Re: [gentoo-user] trying kde "no support for hal"??

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:52:08 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:

> > As there's a close relation between kernel version & dbus,hal,ivman
> > versions, not all combinations work, watch out.

> hmm, I have linux-2.6.15-r5 (suspend2); hal 0.5.5.1-r3; dbus 0.60-r4;

Which version of KDE? 3.4 and 3.5 require different versions of hal/dbus.

> and ivman I've never heard of!! What do I need it for?

You don't.


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A. It was dead.

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Re: [gentoo-user] trying kde "no support for hal"??

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Sunday 19 February 2006 10:29, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:52:08 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> > > As there's a close relation between kernel version & dbus,hal,ivman
> > > versions, not all combinations work, watch out.
> >
> > hmm, I have linux-2.6.15-r5 (suspend2); hal 0.5.5.1-r3; dbus 0.60-r4;
>
> Which version of KDE? 3.4 and 3.5 require different versions of hal/dbus.
>
> > and ivman I've never heard of!! What do I need it for?
>
> You don't.

and do you ahve the right entries in fstab for devices covered by hal?
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Re: [gentoo-user] trying kde "no support for hal"??

[Iain Buchanan]

On Sun, 2006-02-19 at 14:12 +0100, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> On Sunday 19 February 2006 10:29, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:52:08 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> > > > As there's a close relation between kernel version & dbus,hal,ivman
> > > > versions, not all combinations work, watch out.
> > >
> > > hmm, I have linux-2.6.15-r5 (suspend2); hal 0.5.5.1-r3; dbus 0.60-r4;
> >
> > Which version of KDE? 3.4 and 3.5 require different versions of hal/dbus.

I have kde-3.5.1.  What version of hal / dbus does it require?

> and do you ahve the right entries in fstab for devices covered by hal?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the combined idea of hal, dbus, udev
and "auto mounting" that you don't need entries in fstab?  Of course, I
have an entry for my dvd+rw, but not for every memory stick, external
hd, etc that I may plug in, in the future.

I've just stumbled across the gentoo forums "howto automount with kde".
I didn't see that before, so I'll try it and see.

thanks,
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Re: [gentoo-user] trying kde "no support for hal"??

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Monday 20 February 2006 00:19, Iain Buchanan wrote:

>
> > and do you ahve the right entries in fstab for devices covered by hal?
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the combined idea of hal, dbus, udev
> and "auto mounting" that you don't need entries in fstab?  Of course, I
> have an entry for my dvd+rw, but not for every memory stick, external
> hd, etc that I may plug in, in the future.
>

I really don't know.
I have never used hal, because I have apropriate symbols on my desktop and 
clicking on them to open the device/folder mounts them, so I do not see any 
need for automounting or hal (and choosing eject from the menu unmounts). But 
with my secondary suse installation, there are fstab entries for the devices 
covered by hal/subfs.
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Re: [gentoo-user] trying kde "no support for hal"??

[Alexander Skwar]

Iain Buchanan wrote:

> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the combined idea of hal, dbus, udev
> and "auto mounting" that you don't need entries in fstab?

Yes, you're right. You don't need to manually add entries
to fstab. udev/hal will do that on the fly for you.

And with Gnome, this works perfectly fine for me. I attach
my USB camera (mass storage device) and it gets automatically
mounted and a folder opens.

	sys-apps/dbus-0.50-r2
	sys-apps/hal-0.5.5.1-r3
	sys-fs/udev-084
	gnome-base/gnome-2.12.3

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Re: [gentoo-user] trying kde "no support for hal"??

[Iain Buchanan]

On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 08:18 +0100, Alexander Skwar wrote:
> Iain Buchanan wrote:
> 
> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the combined idea of hal, dbus, udev
> > and "auto mounting" that you don't need entries in fstab?
> 
> Yes, you're right. You don't need to manually add entries
> to fstab. udev/hal will do that on the fly for you.
> 
> And with Gnome, this works perfectly fine for me.

Yes, it worked for me in Gnome too (after a few updates of udev).  But
I'm trying kde for a bit.

I still get nothing happening when I insert removable media.

I have dbus and hal installed and started.  I have kdebase installed, so
kioslaves is already part of it.

I still get the message "no support for HAL on this system" in the
peripherals > storage media setup.

any more ideas?

many thanks,
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Re: [gentoo-user] trying kde "no support for hal"??

[Manuel A. McLure]

On Monday 20 February 2006 02:57 pm, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> I still get the message "no support for HAL on this system" in the
> peripherals > storage media setup.

A stupid question - do you have the 'hal' USE flag set in make.conf?

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Re: [gentoo-user] trying kde "no support for hal"??

[Iain Buchanan]

On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 15:04 -0800, Manuel A. McLure wrote:
> On Monday 20 February 2006 02:57 pm, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> > I still get the message "no support for HAL on this system" in the
> > peripherals > storage media setup.
> 
> A stupid question - do you have the 'hal' USE flag set in make.conf?

yep: USE="-apm -oss -xmms acpi samba smb kde gnome qt gtk2 hal dbus"

thanks,
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Re: [gentoo-user] trying kde "no support for hal"??

[Richard Fish]

On 2/18/06, Iain Buchanan <iaindb@netspace.net.au> wrote:
> USE="hal" emerge -p --newuse world

You need to add -D/--deep to this command line, otherwise you are only
looking at packages explicitly named in world, not their dependancies.

FYI the necessary package is kdebase-kioslaves:

[ebuild   R   ] kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-3.5.1  USE="arts hal
kdeenablefinal samba -debug -kdexdeltas -ldap -openexr -xinerama" 0 kB

-Richard

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