[gentoo-user] So O.K.

[gentoo-user] So O.K.

[Franta]

Due to the issues I hit (nearly) every time I do an upgrade.

I did the upograde today too. There was one on udev. I think devices
don't coming up (Sound, USB) could belong to this kind of problems.

Well. nothing changes.

I've tried it half an hour ago with (a very old) knoppix CD. I have USB
disks, I have sound, I have networking ...

That said (xcuse me, I <<HAVE TO>> say that) Gentoo is far away from a
distro for usage.

Do not reply to this post - I'll unsubscribe immediatlely after posting
and I'll go to have a lok for another distro which won't force me to
fdisk for a newly install. Maybe it'll be Slack.

Have fun customizing and repairing your systems. I prefer to work with
it.

Frank


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Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K.

[Beau E. Cox]

On Saturday 04 February 2006 04:02 am, Franta wrote:
> Due to the issues I hit (nearly) every time I do an upgrade.
>
> I did the upograde today too. There was one on udev. I think devices
> don't coming up (Sound, USB) could belong to this kind of problems.
>
> Well. nothing changes.
>
> I've tried it half an hour ago with (a very old) knoppix CD. I have USB
> disks, I have sound, I have networking ...
>
> That said (xcuse me, I <<HAVE TO>> say that) Gentoo is far away from a
> distro for usage.
>
> Do not reply to this post - I'll unsubscribe immediatlely after posting
> and I'll go to have a lok for another distro which won't force me to
> fdisk for a newly install. Maybe it'll be Slack.
>
> Have fun customizing and repairing your systems. I prefer to work with
> it.
>
> Frank

So OK. Bye. A little work on your part and you could be enjoying and
'working with' one of the best distros available. Maybe you should pack
it in and just install Windoze...

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Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K.

[Franta]

As I said. It wont be SicroMoft. I'm still wondering. At this time of
writing I reduced the possibilities to Slackware or LFS. 
I know, I'll need to do some work to get things running but if they are
running I know they ARE running. Nobody will "upgrade" my system to make
them stop working and thus make me to explore why and how to fix this.

Don't advice me to use Windoooze. I'm a UNIX admin the last 20 years. It
would be the horror to become accustomed to this poorly program. Well,
program - I don't say this to be an OS.



BTW: I'm a UNIX admin the last 20 years. So don't 

On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 04:11 -1000, Beau E. Cox wrote:
> On Saturday 04 February 2006 04:02 am, Franta wrote:
> > Due to the issues I hit (nearly) every time I do an upgrade.
> >
> > I did the upograde today too. There was one on udev. I think devices
> > don't coming up (Sound, USB) could belong to this kind of problems.
> >
> > Well. nothing changes.
> >
> > I've tried it half an hour ago with (a very old) knoppix CD. I have USB
> > disks, I have sound, I have networking ...
> >
> > That said (xcuse me, I <<HAVE TO>> say that) Gentoo is far away from a
> > distro for usage.
> >
> > Do not reply to this post - I'll unsubscribe immediatlely after posting
> > and I'll go to have a lok for another distro which won't force me to
> > fdisk for a newly install. Maybe it'll be Slack.
> >
> > Have fun customizing and repairing your systems. I prefer to work with
> > it.
> >
> > Frank
> 
> So OK. Bye. A little work on your part and you could be enjoying and
> 'working with' one of the best distros available. Maybe you should pack
> it in and just install Windoze...
> 
> -- 
> Aloha => Beau;
> 

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Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:08:31 +0100, Franta wrote:

> As I said. It wont be SicroMoft. I'm still wondering. At this time of
> writing I reduced the possibilities to Slackware or LFS. 
> I know, I'll need to do some work to get things running but if they are
> running I know they ARE running. Nobody will "upgrade" my system to make
> them stop working and thus make me to explore why and how to fix this.
> 
> Don't advice me to use Windoooze. I'm a UNIX admin the last 20 years.

With all that experience, I'm surprised you made such a basic mistake as
overwriting a config file. Gentoo is careful to protect your
configuration files from being overwritten by new releases, it takes a
deliberate action on your part to do this.


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Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K.

[Michael Sullivan]

On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 15:30 +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:08:31 +0100, Franta wrote:
> 
> > As I said. It wont be SicroMoft. I'm still wondering. At this time of
> > writing I reduced the possibilities to Slackware or LFS. 
> > I know, I'll need to do some work to get things running but if they are
> > running I know they ARE running. Nobody will "upgrade" my system to make
> > them stop working and thus make me to explore why and how to fix this.
> > 
> > Don't advice me to use Windoooze. I'm a UNIX admin the last 20 years.
> 
> With all that experience, I'm surprised you made such a basic mistake as
> overwriting a config file. Gentoo is careful to protect your
> configuration files from being overwritten by new releases, it takes a
> deliberate action on your part to do this.
> 

This isn't going to turn into another pointless flamewar, is it?  My
hostility sensors are going off...

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Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:36:10 -0600, Michael Sullivan wrote:

> > With all that experience, I'm surprised you made such a basic mistake
> > as overwriting a config file. Gentoo is careful to protect your
> > configuration files from being overwritten by new releases, it takes a
> > deliberate action on your part to do this.

> This isn't going to turn into another pointless flamewar, is it?

Is there any other kind?

I think the flames started when the OP made a basic mistake and decided
the whole distro was unsuitable for any serious use because of his error.


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Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K.

[Michael Sullivan]

On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 20:27 +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:36:10 -0600, Michael Sullivan wrote:
> 
> > > With all that experience, I'm surprised you made such a basic mistake
> > > as overwriting a config file. Gentoo is careful to protect your
> > > configuration files from being overwritten by new releases, it takes a
> > > deliberate action on your part to do this.
> 
> > This isn't going to turn into another pointless flamewar, is it?
> 
> Is there any other kind?
> 
> I think the flames started when the OP made a basic mistake and decided
> the whole distro was unsuitable for any serious use because of his error.
> 

That could be true, but why do we let it continue?

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Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:02:56 -0600, Michael Sullivan wrote:

> > I think the flames started when the OP made a basic mistake and
> > decided the whole distro was unsuitable for any serious use because
> > of his error.

> That could be true, but why do we let it continue?

I don't know, why are you continuing what would have been a dead thread
by now? :)


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Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K.

[Rafael Fernández López]

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Well man... if you don't like Gentoo because of it's privileges
(etc-update for example?) LFS IS FOR YOU, I'M PRETTY SURE.

Anyway, if you don't like Gentoo (or you don't know how to use it
<that's my odd>), don't tell us <how bad> Gentoo is. Post that thing in
Microsoft's forums, maybe they get you for working with them.

Where can we find some dudes as this one? I want to buy a circus...

Bye,
Rafael Fernández López.

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Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K.

[Daniel da Veiga]

On 2/4/06, Franta <sdoma@karneval.cz> wrote:
> As I said. It wont be SicroMoft. I'm still wondering. At this time of
> writing I reduced the possibilities to Slackware or LFS.
> I know, I'll need to do some work to get things running but if they are
> running I know they ARE running. Nobody will "upgrade" my system to make
> them stop working and thus make me to explore why and how to fix this.
>
> Don't advice me to use Windoooze. I'm a UNIX admin the last 20 years. It
> would be the horror to become accustomed to this poorly program. Well,
> program - I don't say this to be an OS.
>

I got a Pentium 100 running for about 6 months now, since that time I
did not touch it, its more stable than our proxy server *lol*

If you want the bleeding edge, all updates, all the latest versions
and changes, you agree that at some point you'll have problems, that's
no reason for flamming the distro and if you feel like it, DON'T!!
Change the distro, simple as that... C'mon, I am a newbie compared to
you. I'm running Linux for about 5 years, Gentoo for about an year,
and still, got my udev working after some reading (the docs Philip
mentioned)... You should be ashamed of your first post...

>
>
> BTW: I'm a UNIX admin the last 20 years. So don't
>
> On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 04:11 -1000, Beau E. Cox wrote:
> > On Saturday 04 February 2006 04:02 am, Franta wrote:
> > > Due to the issues I hit (nearly) every time I do an upgrade.
> > >
> > > I did the upograde today too. There was one on udev. I think devices
> > > don't coming up (Sound, USB) could belong to this kind of problems.
> > >
> > > Well. nothing changes.
> > >
> > > I've tried it half an hour ago with (a very old) knoppix CD. I have USB
> > > disks, I have sound, I have networking ...
> > >
> > > That said (xcuse me, I <<HAVE TO>> say that) Gentoo is far away from a
> > > distro for usage.
> > >
> > > Do not reply to this post - I'll unsubscribe immediatlely after posting
> > > and I'll go to have a lok for another distro which won't force me to
> > > fdisk for a newly install. Maybe it'll be Slack.
> > >
> > > Have fun customizing and repairing your systems. I prefer to work with
> > > it.
> > >
> > > Frank
> >
> > So OK. Bye. A little work on your part and you could be enjoying and
> > 'working with' one of the best distros available. Maybe you should pack
> > it in and just install Windoze...
> >
> > --
> > Aloha => Beau;
> >
>
> --
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>
>


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Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K.

[Franta]

On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 14:04 -0200, Daniel da Veiga wrote:
> On 2/4/06, Franta <sdoma@karneval.cz> wrote:
> > As I said. It wont be SicroMoft. I'm still wondering. At this time of
> > writing I reduced the possibilities to Slackware or LFS.
> > I know, I'll need to do some work to get things running but if they are
> > running I know they ARE running. Nobody will "upgrade" my system to make
> > them stop working and thus make me to explore why and how to fix this.
> >
> > Don't advice me to use Windoooze. I'm a UNIX admin the last 20 years. It
> > would be the horror to become accustomed to this poorly program. Well,
> > program - I don't say this to be an OS.
> >
> 
> I got a Pentium 100 running for about 6 months now, since that time I
> did not touch it, its more stable than our proxy server *lol*
> 
> If you want the bleeding edge, all updates, all the latest versions
> and changes, you agree that at some point you'll have problems, that's
> no reason for flamming the distro and if you feel like it, DON'T!!
> Change the distro, simple as that... C'mon, I am a newbie compared to
> you. I'm running Linux for about 5 years, Gentoo for about an year,
> and still, got my udev working after some reading (the docs Philip
> mentioned)... You should be ashamed of your first post...
> 
> >
> >
> > BTW: I'm a UNIX admin the last 20 years. So don't
> >
> > On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 04:11 -1000, Beau E. Cox wrote:
> > > On Saturday 04 February 2006 04:02 am, Franta wrote:
> > > > Due to the issues I hit (nearly) every time I do an upgrade.
> > > >
> > > > I did the upograde today too. There was one on udev. I think devices
> > > > don't coming up (Sound, USB) could belong to this kind of problems.
> > > >
> > > > Well. nothing changes.
> > > >
> > > > I've tried it half an hour ago with (a very old) knoppix CD. I have USB
> > > > disks, I have sound, I have networking ...
> > > >
> > > > That said (xcuse me, I <<HAVE TO>> say that) Gentoo is far away from a
> > > > distro for usage.
> > > >
> > > > Do not reply to this post - I'll unsubscribe immediatlely after posting
> > > > and I'll go to have a lok for another distro which won't force me to
> > > > fdisk for a newly install. Maybe it'll be Slack.
> > > >
> > > > Have fun customizing and repairing your systems. I prefer to work with
> > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > Frank
> > >
> > > So OK. Bye. A little work on your part and you could be enjoying and
> > > 'working with' one of the best distros available. Maybe you should pack
> > > it in and just install Windoze...
> > >
> > > --
> > > Aloha => Beau;
> > >
> >
> > --
> > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
> >
> >
> 
> 
> --
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> Computer Operator - RS - Brazil
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Got it. Realizing that I got a new baselayout, that things heavily
changed in udev AND things heavily changed in the kernel as of versoon
2.6.13 I decided to upgrade the kernel.

I've chosen 2.6.15 and averything works again (after a ``no | make
oldconfig'').

I'd assume that the newer baselayout(s) aren't compatible with kernels
older than 2.6.13 anymore. I'll not explore that. Maybe someone knows
that beter than me.

Right, RTFM will lead to success in every case but it't annoying to do
this again and again and again.

Right too, I could leave the comp as it is but if I try to install a new
tool (yes I'm still in this phase) I'll have to upgrade anyway. After a
month without internet connection I got about 30 packages to upgrade.
For now I'll upgrade rather often to hold this number low.



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Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K.

[Daniel da Veiga]

On 2/12/06, Franta <sdoma@karneval.cz> wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 14:04 -0200, Daniel da Veiga wrote:
> > On 2/4/06, Franta <sdoma@karneval.cz> wrote:
> > > As I said. It wont be SicroMoft. I'm still wondering. At this time of
> > > writing I reduced the possibilities to Slackware or LFS.
> > > I know, I'll need to do some work to get things running but if they are
> > > running I know they ARE running. Nobody will "upgrade" my system to make
> > > them stop working and thus make me to explore why and how to fix this.
> > >
> > > Don't advice me to use Windoooze. I'm a UNIX admin the last 20 years. It
> > > would be the horror to become accustomed to this poorly program. Well,
> > > program - I don't say this to be an OS.
> > >
> >
> > I got a Pentium 100 running for about 6 months now, since that time I
> > did not touch it, its more stable than our proxy server *lol*
> >
> > If you want the bleeding edge, all updates, all the latest versions
> > and changes, you agree that at some point you'll have problems, that's
> > no reason for flamming the distro and if you feel like it, DON'T!!
> > Change the distro, simple as that... C'mon, I am a newbie compared to
> > you. I'm running Linux for about 5 years, Gentoo for about an year,
> > and still, got my udev working after some reading (the docs Philip
> > mentioned)... You should be ashamed of your first post...
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > BTW: I'm a UNIX admin the last 20 years. So don't
> > >
> > > On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 04:11 -1000, Beau E. Cox wrote:
> > > > On Saturday 04 February 2006 04:02 am, Franta wrote:
> > > > > Due to the issues I hit (nearly) every time I do an upgrade.
> > > > >
> > > > > I did the upograde today too. There was one on udev. I think devices
> > > > > don't coming up (Sound, USB) could belong to this kind of problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well. nothing changes.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've tried it half an hour ago with (a very old) knoppix CD. I have USB
> > > > > disks, I have sound, I have networking ...
> > > > >
> > > > > That said (xcuse me, I <<HAVE TO>> say that) Gentoo is far away from a
> > > > > distro for usage.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do not reply to this post - I'll unsubscribe immediatlely after posting
> > > > > and I'll go to have a lok for another distro which won't force me to
> > > > > fdisk for a newly install. Maybe it'll be Slack.
> > > > >
> > > > > Have fun customizing and repairing your systems. I prefer to work with
> > > > > it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Frank
> > > >
> > > > So OK. Bye. A little work on your part and you could be enjoying and
> > > > 'working with' one of the best distros available. Maybe you should pack
> > > > it in and just install Windoze...
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Aloha => Beau;
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
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>
> Got it. Realizing that I got a new baselayout, that things heavily
> changed in udev AND things heavily changed in the kernel as of versoon
> 2.6.13 I decided to upgrade the kernel.
>
> I've chosen 2.6.15 and averything works again (after a ``no | make
> oldconfig'').
>
> I'd assume that the newer baselayout(s) aren't compatible with kernels
> older than 2.6.13 anymore. I'll not explore that. Maybe someone knows
> that beter than me.
>
> Right, RTFM will lead to success in every case but it't annoying to do
> this again and again and again.
>
> Right too, I could leave the comp as it is but if I try to install a new
> tool (yes I'm still in this phase) I'll have to upgrade anyway. After a
> month without internet connection I got about 30 packages to upgrade.
> For now I'll upgrade rather often to hold this number low.
>

In fact, you don't need to upgrade to install new tools, only if they
explicity ASK for an upgrade as a dependency, take as example the gcc
version, I lived with it for a few months till I decided to upgrade,
and I installed most of the system with all current versions, none
asked for a gcc upgrade, or baselayout, or kernel, in fact, my core
system tools stayed as installed from the CD for a few months (except
for portage and a few dependencies). emerge --sync doesn't mean you
have to upgrade world... You can keep the sync and don't change your
system...

>
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K.

[Mark Shields]

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On 2/4/06, Franta <sdoma@karneval.cz> wrote:
>
> Due to the issues I hit (nearly) every time I do an upgrade.
>
> I did the upograde today too. There was one on udev. I think devices
> don't coming up (Sound, USB) could belong to this kind of problems.
>
> Well. nothing changes.
>
> I've tried it half an hour ago with (a very old) knoppix CD. I have USB
> disks, I have sound, I have networking ...
>
> That said (xcuse me, I <<HAVE TO>> say that) Gentoo is far away from a
> distro for usage.
>
> Do not reply to this post - I'll unsubscribe immediatlely after posting
> and I'll go to have a lok for another distro which won't force me to
> fdisk for a newly install. Maybe it'll be Slack.
>
> Have fun customizing and repairing your systems. I prefer to work with
> it.
>
> Frank
>
>
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>
>
I hope you realize you don't *have* to sync with portage at all.  You can
run a static install if you so choose.  And if you prefer to upgrade the
traditional way, no one is stopping you from downloading your own
gzipped/tarred sources and compiling them.

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[gentoo-user] Re: So O.K.

[Harry Putnam]

Franta <sdoma@karneval.cz> writes:

> I've tried it half an hour ago with (a very old) knoppix CD. I have USB
> disks, I have sound, I have networking ...
>
> That said (xcuse me, I <<HAVE TO>> say that) Gentoo is far away from a
> distro for usage.
>
> Do not reply to this post - I'll unsubscribe immediatlely after posting
> and I'll go to have a lok for another distro which won't force me to
> fdisk for a newly install. Maybe it'll be Slack.
>
> Have fun customizing and repairing your systems. I prefer to work with
> it.

Hey Franta,  Whoa wait a minute.  You do have to learn a bit about how
gentoo approaches things but soon you will be running a working system
and many many things are then easy and smooth.

There is no need to update frequently unless you need something that
has become available.  The running of `emerge sync' is up to you.

I've gone mnths and mnths without doing that.  Admittedly, after that
much time when you do update there is bound to be some hitches.  
But a sysadmin of 20 yrs will not have too much trouble getting lined
out again.

Once you learn how the portage/emerge system works.  At least the
basics, it is usually fairly easy to straighten stuff out and get back
to work.

There are several very knowledgable regular posters here who post
daily about how to do such things.  If you watch the list a while you
will so learn many of the more complex ways to use portage/emerge.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: So O.K.

[A. Khattri]

On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, Harry Putnam wrote:

> But a sysadmin of 20 yrs will not have too much trouble getting lined
> out again.

Must be one of thise old school Slowaris or HP-SUX admins...


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: So O.K.

[Franta]

On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 19:26 -0500, A. Khattri wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, Harry Putnam wrote:
> 
> > But a sysadmin of 20 yrs will not have too much trouble getting lined
> > out again.
> 
> Must be one of thise old school Slowaris or HP-SUX admins...

Yes, and AIX, Tru64,SCO and Linux and BSD of course

Well, Changing the OS again would be a lot of work.

A was a little angry because I've sent all the needed info in my
USB/sound threads and nobody seems to know. Golden times of Slackware
usage! :(

There was some post wondering about how a person with skills like mine
could run in trouble replacing a config file.

I think the trouple comes from the fact, that I DID NOT repace it. I've
reduced the troubles I have to udev right now. Everything works fine if
I start the system, create the devices manually and work as usual. ...
but that should not be normal behavior, should it?

Maybe we should start a new thread/threads to stop the flame. I hope
somebody would be interested in this.

Regards
Frank


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: So O.K.

[Philip Webb]

060205 Franta wrote:
> Maybe we should start a new thread/threads to stop the flame.
> I hope somebody would be interested in this.

You've probably put everyone else off: it was not the way to get help.
Gentoo is for people who want to manage their own machine(s).
Many people don't want to do that & everyone here would encourage them
to choose another distro: eg I use Mandrake 2005 in my back-up box.

However, for starters have a look at :

  http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/udev-guide.xml
  http://webpages.charter.net/decibelshelp/LinuxHelp_UDEVPrimer.html
  http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html

The 1st is essential reading, the 2nd may help, the 3rd is optional.
When you've carefully read at least the 1st & tried to do what it says,
come back with a polite set of questions & a sensible 'subject'
& you'll probably get some useful advice.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: So O.K.

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Sunday 05 February 2006 08:06, Philip Webb <purslow@sympatico.ca> wrote 
about 'Re: [gentoo-user]  Re: So O.K.':
> 060205 Franta wrote:
> > Maybe we should start a new thread/threads to stop the flame.
> > I hope somebody would be interested in this.
>
> You've probably put everyone else off: it was not the way to get help.
> Gentoo is for people who want to manage their own machine(s).
> Many people don't want to do that & everyone here would encourage them
> to choose another distro: eg I use Mandrake 2005 in my back-up box.

I can't agree more with this sentiment.  For the times when I'm not wants 
to configure things as much as gentoo (say, my x86 chroot) I use deb or a 
deb variant.

Also, as others have said, there's nothing really wrong with letting your 
gentoo install go stale.  Once you have a system set up and tweaked to 
where you want it, just don't touch it.  I'll probably do just that for my 
media center box.

Gentoo is about choice: it has no problems letting choose to shoot yourself 
in the foot (or face); it even gives you the metal ore, powder chemicals, 
metal-working and chemistry tools. ;)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: So O.K.

[Iain Buchanan]

On Thu, 2006-02-09 at 18:47 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> On Sunday 05 February 2006 08:06, Philip Webb <purslow@sympatico.ca> wrote 
> about 'Re: [gentoo-user]  Re: So O.K.':
> > 060205 Franta wrote:
> > > Maybe we should start a new thread/threads to stop the flame.
> > > I hope somebody would be interested in this.
> >
> > You've probably put everyone else off: it was not the way to get help.
> > Gentoo is for people who want to manage their own machine(s).
> > Many people don't want to do that & everyone here would encourage them
> > to choose another distro: eg I use Mandrake 2005 in my back-up box.
> 
> I can't agree more with this sentiment.  For the times when I'm not wants 
> to configure things as much as gentoo (say, my x86 chroot) I use deb or a 
> deb variant.
> 
> Also, as others have said, there's nothing really wrong with letting your 
> gentoo install go stale.  Once you have a system set up and tweaked to 
> where you want it, just don't touch it.  I'll probably do just that for my 
> media center box.

Absolutely (in case you wanted further confirmation!) I once set up a
gentoo firewall / inet access / router / dhcp  box for a non-profit org
a few years ago.  I went back in recently, and there it is in the
corner, still running on the old 486.  I checked the uptime and syslogs
- it runs until there is a blackout, and then runs again faithfully!!  I
think it must still have linux-2.4.x on there...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: So O.K.

[Benno Schulenberg]

Franta wrote:
> I've reduced the troubles I have to udev right now.
> Everything works fine if I start the system, create the devices
> manually and work as usual.

Why not set RC_DEVICES to "static" in /etc/conf.d/rc then and be 
done with it?

Benno
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Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K.

[Ernie Schroder]

On Saturday 04 February 2006 09:02, a tiny voice compelled Franta to write:
> Due to the issues I hit (nearly) every time I do an upgrade.
>
> I did the upograde today too. There was one on udev. I think devices
> don't coming up (Sound, USB) could belong to this kind of problems.
>
> Well. nothing changes.
>
> I've tried it half an hour ago with (a very old) knoppix CD. I have USB
> disks, I have sound, I have networking ...
>
> That said (xcuse me, I <<HAVE TO>> say that) Gentoo is far away from a
> distro for usage.
>
> Do not reply to this post - I'll unsubscribe immediatlely after posting
> and I'll go to have a lok for another distro which won't force me to
> fdisk for a newly install. Maybe it'll be Slack.
>
> Have fun customizing and repairing your systems. I prefer to work with
> it.
>
> Frank


Like Neil said, you screwed up and blew away some .config files with a 
careless etc-update and now you want to blame Gentoo. Many people who have 
tried Gentoo have done the same thing. Most often it happens to people with 
linux/unix experience that "know better" than the developers that wrote the 
documentation. Some RTFM, and some flame the distro. Some even explain their 
problem here and ask for help. We're listening and will be more than happy to 
help or point you to documentation.
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Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K. -- help or point!

[Franta]

On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 12:16 -0500, Ernie Schroder wrote:
> On Saturday 04 February 2006 09:02, a tiny voice compelled Franta to write:
> > Due to the issues I hit (nearly) every time I do an upgrade.
> >
> > I did the upograde today too. There was one on udev. I think devices
> > don't coming up (Sound, USB) could belong to this kind of problems.
> >
> > Well. nothing changes.
> >
> > I've tried it half an hour ago with (a very old) knoppix CD. I have USB
> > disks, I have sound, I have networking ...
> >
> > That said (xcuse me, I <<HAVE TO>> say that) Gentoo is far away from a
> > distro for usage.
> >
> > Do not reply to this post - I'll unsubscribe immediatlely after posting
> > and I'll go to have a lok for another distro which won't force me to
> > fdisk for a newly install. Maybe it'll be Slack.
> >
> > Have fun customizing and repairing your systems. I prefer to work with
> > it.
> >
> > Frank
> 
> 
> Like Neil said, you screwed up and blew away some .config files with a 
> careless etc-update and now you want to blame Gentoo. Many people who have 
> tried Gentoo have done the same thing. Most often it happens to people with 
> linux/unix experience that "know better" than the developers that wrote the 
> documentation. Some RTFM, and some flame the distro. Some even explain their 
> problem here and ask for help. We're listening and will be more than happy to 
> help or point you to documentation.
> -- 
> Regards, Ernie

All this was here ones again :(

frankies ~ # uname -a
Linux frankies 2.6.12-gentoo-r10 #1 Sat Sep 17 06:36:46 CEST 2005 i686
Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor         1.50GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
frankies ~ # 
frankies ~ # #no stick
frankies ~ # 
frankies ~ # ls /dev/sd*
ls: /dev/sd*: No such file or directory
frankies ~ # 
frankies ~ # tail -fn20 /var/log/messages
Feb  5 11:35:22 frankies spamd[5365]: prefork: child states: II
Feb  5 11:40:01 frankies cron[21503]: (root) CMD (test
-x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
Feb  5 11:50:01 frankies cron[21636]: (root) CMD (test
-x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
Feb  5 12:00:01 frankies cron[21770]: (root) CMD (test
-x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
Feb  5 12:00:01 frankies cron[21771]: (root) CMD (rm
-f /var/spool/cron/lastrun/cron.hourly)
Feb  5 12:05:22 frankies spamd[5368]: spamd: got connection
over /home/frank/.evolution/cache/tmp/spamd-socket-path-HvthgX
Feb  5 12:05:22 frankies spamd[5368]: spamd: checking message
<1139135665.12482.3.camel@mach.qrypto.org> for frank:1000
Feb  5 12:05:22 frankies spamd[5368]: spamd: clean message (0.3/5.0) for
frank:1000 in 0.1 seconds, 4862 bytes.
Feb  5 12:05:22 frankies spamd[5368]: spamd: result: .  0 - RCVD_BY_IP
scantime=0.1,size=4862,user=frank,uid=1000,required_score=5.0,rhost=localhost,raddr=127.0.0.1,rport=/home/frank/.evolution/cache/tmp/spamd-socket-path-HvthgX,mid=<1139135665.12482.3.camel@mach.qrypto.org>,autolearn=no
Feb  5 12:05:22 frankies spamd[5365]: prefork: child states: II
Feb  5 12:10:01 frankies cron[21906]: (root) CMD (test
-x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
Feb  5 12:20:01 frankies cron[22039]: (root) CMD (test
-x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
Feb  5 12:30:01 frankies cron[22172]: (root) CMD (test
-x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
Feb  5 12:40:01 frankies cron[22305]: (root) CMD (test
-x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
Feb  5 12:50:01 frankies cron[22442]: (root) CMD (test
-x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
Feb  5 13:00:01 frankies cron[22576]: (root) CMD (test
-x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
Feb  5 13:00:01 frankies cron[22578]: (root) CMD (rm
-f /var/spool/cron/lastrun/cron.hourly)
Feb  5 13:02:59 frankies su[22633]: Successful su for root by frank
Feb  5 13:02:59 frankies su[22633]: + pts/0 frank:root
Feb  5 13:02:59 frankies su(pam_unix)[22633]: session opened for user
root by (uid=1000)

frankies ~ # #with stick
frankies ~ # 
frankies ~ # ls /dev/ds*
ls: /dev/ds*: No such file or directory
frankies ~ # 
frankies ~ # tail -fn20 /var/log/messages
Feb  5 13:02:59 frankies su[22633]: + pts/0 frank:root
Feb  5 13:02:59 frankies su(pam_unix)[22633]: session opened for user
root by (uid=1000)
Feb  5 13:04:22 frankies usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using
ohci_hcd and address 2
Feb  5 13:04:23 frankies usb 2-2: not running at top speed; connect to a
high speed hub
Feb  5 13:04:23 frankies scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage
devices
Feb  5 13:04:23 frankies usb-storage: device found at 2
Feb  5 13:04:23 frankies usb-storage: waiting for device to settle
before scanning
Feb  5 13:04:28 frankies Vendor: SanDisk   Model: Cruzer Micro      Rev:
2033
Feb  5 13:04:28 frankies Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI
SCSI revision: 00
Feb  5 13:04:28 frankies SCSI device sda: 1024000 512-byte hdwr sectors
(524 MB)
Feb  5 13:04:28 frankies sda: Write Protect is off
Feb  5 13:04:28 frankies sda: Mode Sense: 02 00 00 00
Feb  5 13:04:28 frankies sda: assuming drive cache: write through
Feb  5 13:04:28 frankies SCSI device sda: 1024000 512-byte hdwr sectors
(524 MB)
Feb  5 13:04:28 frankies sda: Write Protect is off
Feb  5 13:04:28 frankies sda: Mode Sense: 02 00 00 00
Feb  5 13:04:28 frankies sda: assuming drive cache: write through
Feb  5 13:04:28 frankies sda: sda1
Feb  5 13:04:28 frankies Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi0,
channel 0, id 0, lun 0
Feb  5 13:04:28 frankies usb-storage: device scan complete

frankies ~ # 
frankies ~ # # further info:
frankies ~ # 
frankies ~ # ls /etc/udev/
rules.d  scripts  udev.conf
frankies ~ # ls -l /etc/udev/
total 12
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Feb  4 00:45 rules.d
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 17 11:39 scripts
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  730 Jan 23 22:14 udev.conf
frankies ~ # ls -l /etc/udev/rules.d/
total 16
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   346 Jan 23 22:14 05-udev-early.rules
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11612 Jan 23 22:14 50-udev.rules
frankies ~ # 
frankies ~ # 

Hmmm ...


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Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K. -- help or point!

[Ernie Schroder]

On Sunday 05 February 2006 07:09, a tiny voice compelled Franta to write:

> All this was here ones again :(

<snip>

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_USB_Mass_Storage_Device

Hopefully you'll figure it out with this.

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Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K. -- help or point!

[Richard Fish]

On 2/5/06, Franta <sdoma@karneval.cz> wrote:
> All this was here ones again :(

I posted this to your other thread, but you either didn't see it or
didn't respond.

Try "cat /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug".  In your case, it should say
"/sbin/udevsend".

However, we are _assuming_ that the system is starting udev.  You
should check the first few lines of the system boot to make sure.  You
should see messages like:

Mounting /dev for udev ...
...
 Setting /sbin/udevsend as hotplug agent ...

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K. -- help or point!

[Franta]

On Sun, 2006-02-05 at 10:08 -0700, Richard Fish wrote:
> On 2/5/06, Franta <sdoma@karneval.cz> wrote:
> > All this was here ones again :(
> 
> I posted this to your other thread, but you either didn't see it or
> didn't respond.
> 
> Try "cat /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug".  In your case, it should say
> "/sbin/udevsend".
> 
> However, we are _assuming_ that the system is starting udev.  You
> should check the first few lines of the system boot to make sure.  You
> should see messages like:
> 
> Mounting /dev for udev ...
> ...
>  Setting /sbin/udevsend as hotplug agent ...
> 
> -Richard

Yes, this is set. I'd assume, if my devices are managed by UDEV than all
of them are managed by UDEV. Aren't they?

I've had a short look into 50-udev.rules. The only entries for USB are
these.

# usb devices
KERNEL=="hiddev*",              NAME="usb/%k"
KERNEL=="auer*",                NAME="usb/%k"
KERNEL=="legousbtower*",        NAME="usb/%k", GROUP="usb"
KERNEL=="dabusb*",              NAME="usb/%k"
BUS=="usb", KERNEL=="lp[0-9]*", NAME="usb/%k", GROUP="lp"

Hmmm...

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Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K. -- help or point!

[Richard Fish]

On 2/5/06, Franta <sdoma@karneval.cz> wrote:
> Yes, this is set. I'd assume, if my devices are managed by UDEV than all
> of them are managed by UDEV. Aren't they?
>
> I've had a short look into 50-udev.rules. The only entries for USB are
> these.

This is normal.  The /dev/sd* devices are not USB specific, and will
be created by the rule:

KERNEL=="sd*",          NAME="%k", GROUP="disk"

Try running udevmonitor and inserting the device.  It should show
something like:

UDEV  [1139206632.118912] add@/block/sdb

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K. -- help or point!

[Richard Fish]

On 2/5/06, Franta <sdoma@karneval.cz> wrote:
> frankies ~ # #with stick
> frankies ~ #
> frankies ~ # ls /dev/ds*
> ls: /dev/ds*: No such file or directory

Oh, and you typo'd here...

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K. -- help or point!

[Franta]

On Sun, 2006-02-05 at 23:02 -0700, Richard Fish wrote:
> On 2/5/06, Franta <sdoma@karneval.cz> wrote:
> > frankies ~ # #with stick
> > frankies ~ #
> > frankies ~ # ls /dev/ds*
> > ls: /dev/ds*: No such file or directory
> 
> Oh, and you typo'd here...
> 
> -Richard
> 

:-D
yepp

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