[gentoo-user] which video card for dell2005fpw

[gentoo-user] which video card for dell2005fpw

[michael]

I bought the Dell 2005FPW and am not surprised to learn that my old ATI
Rage 128 does not support the Dell's native resolution of 1680x1050.

I'm looking for recommendations for a new video card. Obviously
something that works well with Linux in general and Gentoo in
particular.

Any suggestions?

Should I prefer a digital interface over the analog?

Thanks,
Michael
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[gentoo-user] Re: which video card for dell2005fpw

[Simon Kellett]

michael@michaelshiloh.com writes:

> I'm looking for recommendations for a new video card. Obviously
> something that works well with Linux in general and Gentoo in
> particular.
>
> Any suggestions?

Depends a bit on what you want: basic stuff or 3d-gaming !

> Should I prefer a digital interface over the analog?

I think yes: why convert to an analog signal when the source and
receiver are both digital ? Also now problems with alignment. However,
when I looked anyway, you could not save any money by only have DVI -
you have to buy a card that supports both !!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: which video card for dell2005fpw

[michael]

Thanks for your reply, Simon. Answers follow:


On Sat, 21 Jan 2006, Simon Kellett wrote:

> michael@michaelshiloh.com writes:
>
>> I'm looking for recommendations for a new video card. Obviously
>> something that works well with Linux in general and Gentoo in
>> particular.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>
> Depends a bit on what you want: basic stuff or 3d-gaming !

Basic stuff. Not into games, and I don't watch movies on my computer
either.


>
>> Should I prefer a digital interface over the analog?
>
> I think yes: why convert to an analog signal when the source and
> receiver are both digital ? Also now problems with alignment. However,
> when I looked anyway, you could not save any money by only have DVI -
> you have to buy a card that supports both !!

Ok, that might not be so bad.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: which video card for dell2005fpw

[Jason Weisberger]

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Michael,

Any NVIDIA card is a home run as far as Linux drivers go.  It will even
allow you to run some advanced graphical applications if you chose.  If
you're looking for the most for the money, I'd either try a 6600GT or the
brand new 7200, which may not be released on the market yet, I'd check on
that first.  The 6600GT will generally run betweeb 115-130 and the 7200 is
priced starting at 99.00.  You should note that the 6600GT will have much
better performance because of it's fast memory and the fact that it does not
use TurboCache.  That uses a portion of your system RAM as video memory and
really clogs things up.  You can go cheaper than the 100 dollar mark, but I
really wouldn't recommend it.

Jason

On 1/23/06, michael@michaelshiloh.com <michael@michaelshiloh.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your reply, Simon. Answers follow:
>
>
> On Sat, 21 Jan 2006, Simon Kellett wrote:
>
> > michael@michaelshiloh.com writes:
> >
> >> I'm looking for recommendations for a new video card. Obviously
> >> something that works well with Linux in general and Gentoo in
> >> particular.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions?
> >
> > Depends a bit on what you want: basic stuff or 3d-gaming !
>
> Basic stuff. Not into games, and I don't watch movies on my computer
> either.
>
>
> >
> >> Should I prefer a digital interface over the analog?
> >
> > I think yes: why convert to an analog signal when the source and
> > receiver are both digital ? Also now problems with alignment. However,
> > when I looked anyway, you could not save any money by only have DVI -
> > you have to buy a card that supports both !!
>
> Ok, that might not be so bad.
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>


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[gentoo-user] Re: which video card for dell2005fpw

[Simon Kellett]

michael@michaelshiloh.com writes:

>> Depends a bit on what you want: basic stuff or 3d-gaming !
>
> Basic stuff. Not into games, and I don't watch movies on my computer
> either.

Same as me then: I just bought the cheapest card with an nVidia chip,
AGP8 and DVI out at my local computer shop: ASUS V9400-X/TD / NVIDIA
(GeForce4) MX 4000 / 64Mb (but I only use 1280x1024). 39 Euros
now. Works for me :-)

(I forgot to mention that you may wish to choose a card that is
*passively* cooled if you do not like fan noise !!)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: which video card for dell2005fpw

[Thierry de Coulon]

On Monday, 23 January 2006 21:15, Simon Kellett wrote:
> michael@michaelshiloh.com writes:
> >> Depends a bit on what you want: basic stuff or 3d-gaming !
> >
> > Basic stuff. Not into games, and I don't watch movies on my computer
> > either.
>
> Same as me then: I just bought the cheapest card with an nVidia chip,
> AGP8 and DVI out at my local computer shop: ASUS V9400-X/TD / NVIDIA
> (GeForce4) MX 4000 / 64Mb (but I only use 1280x1024). 39 Euros
> now. Works for me :-)

You don't need a very fast card to watch movies. My Thinkpad T23 runs Xine 
very well with a Savage IX.
I'd like to try X-Plane on Linux though - so I'm going to give a 6600GT a try.

Did not have good experiences with ATI however.

Thierry

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: which video card for dell2005fpw

[michael]

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Thierry de Coulon wrote:

> On Monday, 23 January 2006 21:15, Simon Kellett wrote:
>> michael@michaelshiloh.com writes:
>>>> Depends a bit on what you want: basic stuff or 3d-gaming !
>>>
>>> Basic stuff. Not into games, and I don't watch movies on my computer
>>> either.
>>
>> Same as me then: I just bought the cheapest card with an nVidia chip,
>> AGP8 and DVI out at my local computer shop: ASUS V9400-X/TD / NVIDIA
>> (GeForce4) MX 4000 / 64Mb (but I only use 1280x1024). 39 Euros
>> now. Works for me :-)
>
> You don't need a very fast card to watch movies. My Thinkpad T23 runs Xine
> very well with a Savage IX.
> I'd like to try X-Plane on Linux though - so I'm going to give a 6600GT a try.
>
> Did not have good experiences with ATI however.

Thanks for your advice. As I said, I do NOT plan to watch movies. My
only concerns are (a) support for the dell 2005fpw monitor in its native
resolution (which i've forgotten but it's widescreen format) and (b)
well supported under gentoo.

Tomorrow I will try to buy a 6600GT board.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: which video card for dell2005fpw

[michael]

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
>
>>  On Monday, 23 January 2006 21:15, Simon Kellett wrote:
>> >  michael@michaelshiloh.com writes:
>> > > >  Depends a bit on what you want: basic stuff or 3d-gaming !
>> > > 
>> > >  Basic stuff. Not into games, and I don't watch movies on my computer
>> > >  either.
>> > 
>> >  Same as me then: I just bought the cheapest card with an nVidia chip,
>> >  AGP8 and DVI out at my local computer shop: ASUS V9400-X/TD / NVIDIA
>> >  (GeForce4) MX 4000 / 64Mb (but I only use 1280x1024). 39 Euros
>> >  now. Works for me :-)
>>
>>  You don't need a very fast card to watch movies. My Thinkpad T23 runs Xine
>>  very well with a Savage IX.
>>  I'd like to try X-Plane on Linux though - so I'm going to give a 6600GT a
>>  try.
>>
>>  Did not have good experiences with ATI however.
>
> Thanks for your advice. As I said, I do NOT plan to watch movies. My
> only concerns are (a) support for the dell 2005fpw monitor in its native
> resolution (which i've forgotten but it's widescreen format) and (b)
> well supported under gentoo.
>
> Tomorrow I will try to buy a 6600GT board.

Resolution is 1680 x 1050. I do need to make sure the 6600 can do this
with the Linux driver.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: which video card for dell2005fpw

[Thierry de Coulon]

On Monday, 23 January 2006 22:09, michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote:

> Resolution is 1680 x 1050. I do need to make sure the 6600 can do this
> with the Linux driver.

Here:
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15118735

I read: Is it possible to have 1680*1050 displayed under Linux?
Yeah, I have a nVidia 6600 GT and a Dell 2005FPW and it works perfectly.

and here: 
http://forum.hardware.fr/hardwarefr/OSAlternatifs/MDK10-xorg-geforce-6600gt-sujet-44968-1.htm
on a french list, I found this

Section "Files" 
    # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together) 
    # By default, Mandrake 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of 
    # the X server to render fonts. 
    FontPath "unix/:-1" 
EndSection 
 
Section "ServerFlags" 
    #DontZap # disable <Crtl><Alt><BS> (server abort) 
    #DontZoom # disable <Crtl><Alt><KP_+>/<KP_-> (resolution switching) 
    AllowMouseOpenFail # allows the server to start up even if the mouse 
doesn't work 
EndSection 
 
Section "Module" 
    Load "dbe" # Double-Buffering Extension 
    Load "v4l" # Video for Linux 
    Load "extmod" 
    Load "type1" 
    Load "freetype" 
    Load "glx" # 3D layer 
    Load "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so" 
EndSection 
 
Section "InputDevice" 
    Identifier "Keyboard1" 
    Driver "keyboard" 
    Option "XkbModel" "pc105" 
    Option "XkbLayout" "fr" 
    Option "XkbOptions" "" 
EndSection 
 
Section "InputDevice" 
    Identifier "Mouse1" 
    Driver "mouse" 
    Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2" 
    Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" 
    Option "ZAxisMapping" "6 7" 
EndSection 
 
Section "Monitor" 
    Identifier "monitor1" 
    VendorName "Generic" 
    ModelName "Flat Panel 1280x1024" 
    HorizSync 31.5-67 
    VertRefresh 50-75 
     
    # Sony Vaio C1(X,XS,VE,VN)? 
    # 1024x480 @ 85.6 Hz, 48 kHz hsync 
    ModeLine "1024x480"    65.00 1024 1032 1176 1344   480  488  494  563 
-hsync -vsync 
     
    # Dell D800 and few Inspiron (16/10) 1280x800 
    ModeLine "1280x800"  147.89  1280 1376 1512 1744  800 801 804 848 
     
    # Dell D800 and few Inspiron (16/10) 1680x1050 
    ModeLine "1680x1050"  214.51  1680 1800 1984 2288  1050 1051 1054 1103 
     
    # Dell D800 and few Inspiron (16/10) 1920x1200 
    ModeLine "1920x1200" 230 1920 1936 2096 2528 1200 1201 1204 1250 +HSync 
+VSync 
     
    # TV fullscreen mode or DVD fullscreen output. 
    # 768x576 @ 79 Hz, 50 kHz hsync 
    ModeLine "768x576"     50.00  768  832  846 1000   576  590  595  630 
     
    # 768x576 @ 100 Hz, 61.6 kHz hsync 
    ModeLine "768x576"     63.07  768  800  960 1024   576  578  590  616 
EndSection 
 
Section "Device" 
    Identifier "device1" 
    Driver "nvidia" 
    Option "NvAgp" "1" 
    Option "DPMS" 
EndSection 
 
Section "Screen" 
    Identifier "screen1" 
    Device "device1" 
    Monitor "monitor1" 
    DefaultColorDepth 24 
     
    Subsection "Display" 
        Depth 8 
        Virtual 1280 1024 
    EndSubsection 
     
    Subsection "Display" 
        Depth 15 
        Virtual 1280 1024 
    EndSubsection 
     
    Subsection "Display" 
        Depth 16 
        Virtual 1280 1024 
    EndSubsection 
     
    Subsection "Display" 
        Depth 24 
        Virtual 1280 1024 
    EndSubsection 
EndSection 
 
Section "ServerLayout" 
    Identifier "layout1" 
    InputDevice "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard" 
    InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer" 
    Screen "screen1" 
EndSection

It seems it did work, and these messages are dated December 2004.

>From various messages it appears that some users had no problems and other did 
have many. However, it looks to me that the 6600 GT does support 1680x1050.

If you're not interrested in gaming, you might settle for a 6600 (not GT), 
they are slower & cheaper but should otherwise be compatible.

Thierry

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: which video card for dell2005fpw

[michael]

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Thierry de Coulon wrote:

> On Monday, 23 January 2006 22:09, michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote:
>
>> Resolution is 1680 x 1050. I do need to make sure the 6600 can do this
>> with the Linux driver.
>
> Here:
> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15118735
>
> I read: Is it possible to have 1680*1050 displayed under Linux?
> Yeah, I have a nVidia 6600 GT and a Dell 2005FPW and it works perfectly.
>
> and here:
> http://forum.hardware.fr/hardwarefr/OSAlternatifs/MDK10-xorg-geforce-6600gt-sujet-44968-1.htm
> on a french list, I found this
>
> Section "Files"
>    # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together)
>    # By default, Mandrake 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of
>    # the X server to render fonts.
>    FontPath "unix/:-1"
> EndSection
>
> Section "ServerFlags"
>    #DontZap # disable <Crtl><Alt><BS> (server abort)
>    #DontZoom # disable <Crtl><Alt><KP_+>/<KP_-> (resolution switching)
>    AllowMouseOpenFail # allows the server to start up even if the mouse
> doesn't work
> EndSection
>
> Section "Module"
>    Load "dbe" # Double-Buffering Extension
>    Load "v4l" # Video for Linux
>    Load "extmod"
>    Load "type1"
>    Load "freetype"
>    Load "glx" # 3D layer
>    Load "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so"
> EndSection
>
> Section "InputDevice"
>    Identifier "Keyboard1"
>    Driver "keyboard"
>    Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
>    Option "XkbLayout" "fr"
>    Option "XkbOptions" ""
> EndSection
>
> Section "InputDevice"
>    Identifier "Mouse1"
>    Driver "mouse"
>    Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2"
>    Option "Device" "/dev/mouse"
>    Option "ZAxisMapping" "6 7"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Monitor"
>    Identifier "monitor1"
>    VendorName "Generic"
>    ModelName "Flat Panel 1280x1024"
>    HorizSync 31.5-67
>    VertRefresh 50-75
>
>    # Sony Vaio C1(X,XS,VE,VN)?
>    # 1024x480 @ 85.6 Hz, 48 kHz hsync
>    ModeLine "1024x480"    65.00 1024 1032 1176 1344   480  488  494  563
> -hsync -vsync
>
>    # Dell D800 and few Inspiron (16/10) 1280x800
>    ModeLine "1280x800"  147.89  1280 1376 1512 1744  800 801 804 848
>
>    # Dell D800 and few Inspiron (16/10) 1680x1050
>    ModeLine "1680x1050"  214.51  1680 1800 1984 2288  1050 1051 1054 1103
>
>    # Dell D800 and few Inspiron (16/10) 1920x1200
>    ModeLine "1920x1200" 230 1920 1936 2096 2528 1200 1201 1204 1250 +HSync
> +VSync
>
>    # TV fullscreen mode or DVD fullscreen output.
>    # 768x576 @ 79 Hz, 50 kHz hsync
>    ModeLine "768x576"     50.00  768  832  846 1000   576  590  595  630
>
>    # 768x576 @ 100 Hz, 61.6 kHz hsync
>    ModeLine "768x576"     63.07  768  800  960 1024   576  578  590  616
> EndSection
>
> Section "Device"
>    Identifier "device1"
>    Driver "nvidia"
>    Option "NvAgp" "1"
>    Option "DPMS"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Screen"
>    Identifier "screen1"
>    Device "device1"
>    Monitor "monitor1"
>    DefaultColorDepth 24
>
>    Subsection "Display"
>        Depth 8
>        Virtual 1280 1024
>    EndSubsection
>
>    Subsection "Display"
>        Depth 15
>        Virtual 1280 1024
>    EndSubsection
>
>    Subsection "Display"
>        Depth 16
>        Virtual 1280 1024
>    EndSubsection
>
>    Subsection "Display"
>        Depth 24
>        Virtual 1280 1024
>    EndSubsection
> EndSection
>
> Section "ServerLayout"
>    Identifier "layout1"
>    InputDevice "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard"
>    InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer"
>    Screen "screen1"
> EndSection
>
> It seems it did work, and these messages are dated December 2004.
>
>> From various messages it appears that some users had no problems and other did
> have many. However, it looks to me that the 6600 GT does support 1680x1050.
>
> If you're not interrested in gaming, you might settle for a 6600 (not GT),
> they are slower & cheaper but should otherwise be compatible.

Excellent. Thank you very much!

Michael
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Re: [gentoo-user] which video card for dell2005fpw

[Mark Loeser]

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michael@michaelshiloh.com said:
> I'm looking for recommendations for a new video card. Obviously
> something that works well with Linux in general and Gentoo in
> particular.
> 
> Any suggestions?

I have two of these LCDs and got an Nvidia 6600 with two DVI connectors.  I
haven't had a problem with it yet, and it didn't cost that much.

> Should I prefer a digital interface over the analog?

Definitely digital.  Before I got the other card I had one monitor hooked up
to analog and the other digital and the difference was very obvious to me.

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Re: [gentoo-user] which video card for dell2005fpw

[Iain Buchanan]

On Mon, 2006-01-23 at 01:05 -0500, Mark Loeser wrote:

> > Should I prefer a digital interface over the analog?
> 
> Definitely digital.  Before I got the other card I had one monitor hooked up
> to analog and the other digital and the difference was very obvious to me.

Don't believe everything you see!! I had two identical Dell LCD's hooked
up to one dual head (2x analog) video card, and they both looked
different - one was much brighter.

After noticing that the "auto" button did different things to each one
(colour, etc) I set them up manually to the same colour, brightness, etc
and they still looked different...
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