[gentoo-user] wtf is superfloppy? (vosonic usb drive)

[gentoo-user] wtf is superfloppy? (vosonic usb drive)

[Iain Buchanan]

Hi all,

I have just purchased the Vosonic X's-Drive 6230 (hate that
punctuation ;) under the promise of linux support... 

Well, it "doesn't" work for me - there is one or two unhelpful lines of
text on their website that mention linux.

All I've found so far, is something mentioning the "superfloppy" format
(what's that?).  Supposedly I can `mount /dev/sda /mnt/tmp` (note the
sda, not sdax) but this doesn't work: 

$ sudo mount /dev/sda /mnt/tmp/
mount: No medium found

There is no /dev/sda1, sda2, etc, as per my other usb storage drives
(only my internal hard drive shows):

$ cat /proc/partitions
major minor  #blocks  name

   3     0   58605120 hda
   3     1      40131 hda1
   3     2   10498477 hda2
   3     3     104422 hda3
   3     4          1 hda4
   3     5    1060258 hda5
   3     6   10594836 hda6
   3     7   17157388 hda7
   3     8    5783368 hda8
   3     9   13366048 hda9


dmesg reports

usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 7
scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
usb-storage: device found at 7
usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
  Vendor:           Model: VP6230            Rev: 1.07
  Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 00
sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sda
sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0
usb-storage: device scan complete

fdisk doesn't work either:
$ sudo fdisk /dev/sda
Password:

Unable to open /dev/sda

I heard some whispers of other vosonic owners - how did you get your
drive working?  I have a plain IBM 20Gb in it at the moment, formatted
with the X's Drive itself.

The drive shows under windows, after the 3 card reader slots.

MTIA!
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Re: [gentoo-user] wtf is superfloppy? (vosonic usb drive)

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:25:47 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:

> All I've found so far, is something mentioning the "superfloppy" format
> (what's that?).  Supposedly I can `mount /dev/sda /mnt/tmp` (note the
> sda, not sdax) but this doesn't work: 

This just means the filesystem is on the whole disk, it is not
partitioned.

> dmesg reports
> 
> usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 7
> scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
> usb-storage: device found at 7
> usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
>   Vendor:           Model: VP6230            Rev: 1.07
>   Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 00
> sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sda
> sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0
> usb-storage: device scan complete

It is detecting sda here, with no partitions, but giving no other
information. Do you have SCSI disk support in your kernel?

> The drive shows under windows, after the 3 card reader slots.

Do other USB mass storage devices work with Linux for you?


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Re: [gentoo-user] wtf is superfloppy? (vosonic usb drive)

[Iain Buchanan]

Hi, thanks for your help,

On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 09:12 +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:25:47 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> 
> > All I've found so far, is something mentioning the "superfloppy" format
> > (what's that?).  Supposedly I can `mount /dev/sda /mnt/tmp` (note the
> > sda, not sdax) but this doesn't work: 
> 
> This just means the filesystem is on the whole disk, it is not
> partitioned.

thats what I presumed, but 1) I can't `mount /dev/sda /mnt/tmp`; and 2)
in windows I see 4 drives (3 card reader slots, and the internal hd),
not one - how can I get 4 drives from /dev/sda?

> It is detecting sda here, with no partitions, but giving no other
> information. Do you have SCSI disk support in your kernel?

yes - CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y

> Do other USB mass storage devices work with Linux for you?

yep, a small usb card reader, and a laptop harddrive usb enclosure.
Both work great!

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Re: [gentoo-user] wtf is superfloppy? (vosonic usb drive)

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:44:35 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:


> > This just means the filesystem is on the whole disk, it is not
> > partitioned.
> 
> thats what I presumed, but 1) I can't `mount /dev/sda /mnt/tmp`; and 2)
> in windows I see 4 drives (3 card reader slots, and the internal hd),
> not one - how can I get 4 drives from /dev/sda?

You wouldn't, they are separate drives, so they'd be sda, sdb...

What does tail-f /var/log/messages show while you plug in the device?


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Re: [gentoo-user] wtf is superfloppy? (vosonic usb drive)

[Richard Fish]

On 12/12/05, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:44:35 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:
>
>
> > > This just means the filesystem is on the whole disk, it is not
> > > partitioned.
> >
> > thats what I presumed, but 1) I can't `mount /dev/sda /mnt/tmp`; and 2)
> > in windows I see 4 drives (3 card reader slots, and the internal hd),
> > not one - how can I get 4 drives from /dev/sda?
>
> You wouldn't, they are separate drives, so they'd be sda, sdb...
>
> What does tail-f /var/log/messages show while you plug in the device?

Also, you might need to turn on "Probe all LUNs on each SCSI device"
under SCSI configuration to see all of the different card readers and
drives on that device.

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] wtf is superfloppy? (vosonic usb drive)

[Iain Buchanan]

On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 10:43 -0700, Richard Fish wrote:
> On 12/12/05, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:44:35 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> >
> >
> > > > This just means the filesystem is on the whole disk, it is not
> > > > partitioned.
> > >
> > > thats what I presumed, but 1) I can't `mount /dev/sda /mnt/tmp`; and 2)
> > > in windows I see 4 drives (3 card reader slots, and the internal hd),
> > > not one - how can I get 4 drives from /dev/sda?
> >
> > You wouldn't, they are separate drives, so they'd be sda, sdb...

and yet, there is only /dev/sda, no /dev/sd[b|c|d] (maybe this is the
probe all LUN's option below?)

> > What does tail-f /var/log/messages show while you plug in the device?

Dec 12 23:15:25 orpheus usb 1-6: USB disconnect, address 5
Dec 12 23:15:54 orpheus usb 1-6: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 6
Dec 12 23:15:54 orpheus scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
Dec 12 23:15:54 orpheus usb-storage: device found at 6
Dec 12 23:15:54 orpheus usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
Dec 12 23:15:59 orpheus Vendor:           Model: VP6230            Rev: 1.07
Dec 12 23:15:59 orpheus Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 00
Dec 12 23:15:59 orpheus sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sda
Dec 12 23:15:59 orpheus sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0
Dec 12 23:15:59 orpheus usb-storage: device scan complete
Dec 12 23:15:59 orpheus scsi.agent[31638]: disk at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-6/1-6:1.0/host3/target3:0:0/3:0:0:0

> Also, you might need to turn on "Probe all LUNs on each SCSI device"
> under SCSI configuration to see all of the different card readers and
> drives on that device.

wierd, I enabled this option, and my kernel can't boot anymore!  I get
some message about unable to mount (or umount - can't remember)
initramfs, and something about /dev not existing!!

I'm currently playing around with SCSI options in the kernel to see if I
can get this working...

thanks for the help so far,
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Re: [gentoo-user] vosonic usb drive, SCSI_MULTI_LUN, won't boot

[Iain Buchanan]

Well, its semi-solved I had to set

CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y

However I had to upgrade to 2.6.15-rc5, because 2.6.15-rc1 won't boot
for me anymore.

I initially thought it was because of the CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN, but I
went back to an old (working) config file, and it still doesn't boot:

>> Mounting root...
>> Booting (initramfs)...unmount: /dev: Device or resource busy
*: Failed to unmount the initrd /dev!
..
INIT: version 2.86 booting

[some usual boot stuff]

fsck.ext3: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/hda7
/dev/hda7:
The superblock could not be read or does not ...[blah blah blah]

I think it might be genkernel which I just upgraded from 3.3.6 to 3.3.8.
Any ideas?

I can't stay with 2.6.15-rc5 because other things don't work, and I
can't go back to 2.6.15-rc1 because it won't boot...

At least, /var/log/messages now shows:

Dec 13 14:50:12 orpheus usb 5-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 9
Dec 13 14:50:12 orpheus scsi5 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
Dec 13 14:50:12 orpheus usb-storage: device found at 9
Dec 13 14:50:12 orpheus usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
Dec 13 14:50:17 orpheus Vendor:           Model: VP6230            Rev: 1.07
Dec 13 14:50:17 orpheus Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 00
Dec 13 14:50:17 orpheus sd 5:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sda
Dec 13 14:50:17 orpheus sd 5:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0
Dec 13 14:50:17 orpheus Vendor:           Model: VP6230            Rev: 1.07
Dec 13 14:50:17 orpheus Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 00
Dec 13 14:50:17 orpheus sd 5:0:0:1: Attached scsi removable disk sdb
Dec 13 14:50:17 orpheus sd 5:0:0:1: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0
Dec 13 14:50:17 orpheus Vendor:           Model: VP6230            Rev: 1.07
Dec 13 14:50:17 orpheus Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 00
Dec 13 14:50:17 orpheus sd 5:0:0:2: Attached scsi removable disk sdc
Dec 13 14:50:17 orpheus sd 5:0:0:2: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0
Dec 13 14:50:17 orpheus Vendor:           Model: VP6230            Rev: 1.07
Dec 13 14:50:17 orpheus Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 00
Dec 13 14:50:17 orpheus SCSI device sdd: 39070080 512-byte hdwr sectors (20004 MB)
Dec 13 14:50:17 orpheus sdd: assuming drive cache: write through
Dec 13 14:50:17 orpheus SCSI device sdd: 39070080 512-byte hdwr sectors (20004 MB)
Dec 13 14:50:17 orpheus sdd: assuming drive cache: write through
Dec 13 14:50:17 orpheus scsi.agent[19295]: disk at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb5/5-3/5-3:1.0/host5/target5:0:0/5:0:0:1
Dec 13 14:50:17 orpheus scsi.agent[19290]: disk at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb5/5-3/5-3:1.0/host5/target5:0:0/5:0:0:0
Dec 13 14:50:17 orpheus scsi.agent[19304]: disk at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb5/5-3/5-3:1.0/host5/target5:0:0/5:0:0:2
Dec 13 14:50:17 orpheus sdd: sdd1
Dec 13 14:50:17 orpheus sd 5:0:0:3: Attached scsi disk sdd
Dec 13 14:50:17 orpheus sd 5:0:0:3: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 0
Dec 13 14:50:17 orpheus usb-storage: device scan complete
Dec 13 14:50:18 orpheus scsi.agent[19311]: disk at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb5/5-3/5-3:1.0/host5/target5:0:0/5:0:0:3

as you can see, sda, sdb, sdc, and sdd (including sdd1) which is the
internal HD - woohoo.  If only I could boot...

thanks for the help so far!
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Re: [gentoo-user] wtf is superfloppy? (vosonic usb drive)

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:57:44 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:

> > > What does tail-f /var/log/messages show while you plug in the
> > > device?
> 
> Dec 12 23:15:25 orpheus usb 1-6: USB disconnect, address 5
> Dec 12 23:15:54 orpheus usb 1-6: new high speed USB device using
> ehci_hcd and address 6 Dec 12 23:15:54 orpheus scsi3 : SCSI emulation
> for USB Mass Storage devices Dec 12 23:15:54 orpheus usb-storage:
> device found at 6 Dec 12 23:15:54 orpheus usb-storage: waiting for
> device to settle before scanning Dec 12 23:15:59 orpheus
> Vendor:           Model: VP6230            Rev: 1.07 Dec 12 23:15:59
> orpheus Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision:
> 00 Dec 12 23:15:59 orpheus sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sda
> Dec 12 23:15:59 orpheus sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0
> Dec 12 23:15:59 orpheus usb-storage: device scan complete Dec 12
> 23:15:59 orpheus scsi.agent[31638]: disk
> at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-6/1-6:1.0/host3/target3:0:0/3:0:0:0
> 

Only one device is detected, despite there being four. Did you say the HD
shows up after the memory card slots in Windows? If so, only one of these
is detected as sda, no wonder you can't mount the HD.

> > Also, you might need to turn on "Probe all LUNs on each SCSI device"
> > under SCSI configuration to see all of the different card readers and
> > drives on that device.
> 
> wierd, I enabled this option, and my kernel can't boot anymore!  I get
> some message about unable to mount (or umount - can't remember)
> initramfs, and something about /dev not existing!!

What does

grep SCSI /usr/src/linux/.config | grep -v ^#

show?


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Re: [gentoo-user] wtf is superfloppy? (vosonic usb drive)

[Iain Buchanan]

On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 08:48 +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:57:44 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> 
> > > > What does tail-f /var/log/messages show while you plug in the
> > > > device?
> > 
[snip]
> 
> Only one device is detected, despite there being four. Did you say the HD
> shows up after the memory card slots in Windows? If so, only one of these
> is detected as sda, no wonder you can't mount the HD.

that appears to have been the problem!

> What does
> 
> grep SCSI /usr/src/linux/.config | grep -v ^#
> 
> show?

CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI=y
CONFIG_SCSI=y
CONFIG_SCSI_PROC_FS=y
CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y
CONFIG_SCSI_SPI_ATTRS=m
CONFIG_SCSI_QLA2XXX=y

It appears the final solution is:

1) CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y
2) linux-2.6.15-rc5
3) wait for 5 seconds before trying to mount the device (I had a script
in /etc/hotplug/usb.agent which was working too fast!)

Now I see /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc, and /dev/sdd, which holds the
harddrive partitions!

thanks for all the help.
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Re: [gentoo-user] wtf is superfloppy? (vosonic usb drive)

[Dirk Heinrichs]

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Am Mittwoch, 14. Dezember 2005 06:41 schrieb ext Iain Buchanan:

> Now I see /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc, and /dev/sdd, which holds the
> harddrive partitions!

Just a hint: These device names may change depending on the order you plug 
in your (USB) devices (i.e. when you plug in a USB stick before your HD, 
then the stick will be sda and the HD will become sde).

However, you can use udev to implement a consistant, custom naming scheme 
for your USB devices. The details about udev rule writing can be found 
here: http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html.

Bye...

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Re: [gentoo-user] wtf is superfloppy? (vosonic usb drive)

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:11:54 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:

> It appears the final solution is:
> 
> 1) CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y
> 2) linux-2.6.15-rc5

I have a multi-card reader that works find with CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y
and older kernel versions.


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Re: [gentoo-user] wtf is superfloppy? (vosonic usb drive)

[Iain Buchanan]

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 10:51 +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:11:54 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> 
> > It appears the final solution is:
> > 
> > 1) CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y
> > 2) linux-2.6.15-rc5
> 
> I have a multi-card reader that works find with CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y
> and older kernel versions.

yeah, I don't know why it didn't work - I think it had something to do
with the upgrade of genkernel (I'm kind of guessing here) because even
when I removed the CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN option, I still couldn't boot.
So that means it wasn't related to that option, but rather was something
else I changed in the mean time.

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Re: [gentoo-user] wtf is superfloppy? (vosonic usb drive)

[Dirk Heinrichs]

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Am Montag, 12. Dezember 2005 07:55 schrieb ext Iain Buchanan:

> dmesg reports
>
> usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 7
> scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
> usb-storage: device found at 7
> usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
>   Vendor:           Model: VP6230            Rev: 1.07
>   Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 00
> sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sda
> sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0
> usb-storage: device scan complete
>
> fdisk doesn't work either:
> $ sudo fdisk /dev/sda
> Password:
>
> Unable to open /dev/sda

Do you have CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=m (aka SCSI Disk support) in your kernel 
config?

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Re: [gentoo-user] wtf is superfloppy? (vosonic usb drive)

[Iain Buchanan]

On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 10:24 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> Am Montag, 12. Dezember 2005 07:55 schrieb ext Iain Buchanan:
> 
> > Unable to open /dev/sda
> 
> Do you have CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=m (aka SCSI Disk support) in your kernel 
> config?

yep, actually its its CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y

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[gentoo-user] x86 setup-script

[Andy Stern]

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I had the idea to write a setup-script for a x86-installation, 
thats what i got:

www.trustop.org/gensetup/

what do you think, should i continue or is the gentoo-setup to complex for such a script?

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Re: [gentoo-user] x86 setup-script

[Iain Buchanan]

On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 02:14 +0100, Andy Stern wrote:
> I had the idea to write a setup-script for a x86-installation, 
> thats what i got:
> 
> www.trustop.org/gensetup/
> 
> what do you think

I don't know if one exists or not, because I haven't installed gentoo
lately (only updated it for the last few years :)

I had a look at your script - you've named it .tar.gz, but it's only a
tar!  I think you forgot to gzip it!

Doing a quick google search, I found
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/installer/ and there is also
another graphical installer someone was working on, but I can't remember
where.

>From the gentoo installer page:
Along with the GTK frontend, there is also a dialog-based frontend. This
is useful for doing remote installs via SSH. gli-dialog also supports
some things that the GTK frontend doesn't and vice versa...

So I would ask: What is the purpose of your script?  Do you want it to
eventually be a great solve-all text installer for beginner and expert?
Or just a simple install?

> should i continue or is the gentoo-setup to complex for such a script?

Definately continue - if only to further your understanding of bash /
gentoo / installing.  Even if the only purpose it to provide another
option to the gentoo installer - that's good enough because diversity is
great!

I definately don't think gentoo setup is too complex for a script.  If
you can do it by hand, you can do it in a script :)  so go for it!

[PS - you seem to have made this post by replying to a different thread
in the mailing list - not everybody will see it, as some people collapse
or ignore threads they're not interested in]

HTH,
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