[gentoo-user] Linux comm program

[gentoo-user] Linux comm program

[Daniel D Jones]

Is anyone aware of  a decent comm program for Linux?  Something along the 
lines of SecureCRT for Windows?  (SecureCRT is a commercial program.  There's 
supposed to be a Linux port in progress but I'd much prefer to use Open 
Source.)  I can't seem to find anything but stuff that was written in the 
'90s like minicom  or programs that have limited capabilities.  For example, 
Komport (KDE's serial comm program) is limited to a 25 x 80 screen, despite 
the fact that it's a GUI program.  I'm looking for a GUI program with a 
scrollback buffer, scripting, multi protocol support (ssh in all its various 
flavors, serial port, telnet, rlogin), session logging, etc.  This is the 
kind of technical itch that I would think lots of programmers would scratch, 
but I haven't been able to find anything close.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Linux comm program

[Bob Sanders]

On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:51:55 -0400
Daniel D Jones <ddjones@riddlemaster.org> wrote:

> Is anyone aware of  a decent comm program for Linux?  Something along the 
> lines of SecureCRT for Windows?  (SecureCRT is a commercial program.  There's 
> supposed to be a Linux port in progress but I'd much prefer to use Open 
> Source.)  I can't seem to find anything but stuff that was written in the 
> '90s like minicom  or programs that have limited capabilities.  For example, 
> Komport (KDE's serial comm program) is limited to a 25 x 80 screen, despite 
> the fact that it's a GUI program.  I'm looking for a GUI program with a 
> scrollback buffer, scripting, multi protocol support (ssh in all its various 
> flavors, serial port, telnet, rlogin), session logging, etc.  This is the 
> kind of technical itch that I would think lots of programmers would scratch, 
> but I haven't been able to find anything close.
> 

No gui program I know of.  But Ruby will allow you to do all that.  As it supports
the tk widget library, among other interfaces, the gui is fairly straight forward.

Bob
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Re: [gentoo-user] Linux comm program

[Frank Schafer]

On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 21:14 -0700, Bob Sanders wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:51:55 -0400
> Daniel D Jones <ddjones@riddlemaster.org> wrote:
> 
> > Is anyone aware of  a decent comm program for Linux?  Something along the 
> > lines of SecureCRT for Windows?  (SecureCRT is a commercial program.  There's 
> > supposed to be a Linux port in progress but I'd much prefer to use Open 
> > Source.)  I can't seem to find anything but stuff that was written in the 
> > '90s like minicom  or programs that have limited capabilities.  For example, 
> > Komport (KDE's serial comm program) is limited to a 25 x 80 screen, despite 
> > the fact that it's a GUI program.  I'm looking for a GUI program with a 
> > scrollback buffer, scripting, multi protocol support (ssh in all its various 
> > flavors, serial port, telnet, rlogin), session logging, etc.  This is the 
> > kind of technical itch that I would think lots of programmers would scratch, 
> > but I haven't been able to find anything close.
> > 
> 
> No gui program I know of.  But Ruby will allow you to do all that.  As it supports
> the tk widget library, among other interfaces, the gui is fairly straight forward.
> 
> Bob
> -  
> 

Hi,

If I neeeeeeeeeeeed a GUI program I'm using Putty. Otherwise ssh
user@host from a shell prompt.

I'm pretty sure that the GNOMErs and KDErs have something too.

Regards
Frank

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Re: [gentoo-user] Linux comm program

[Daniel D Jones]

On Wednesday 10 August 2005 02:30 am, Frank Schafer wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 21:14 -0700, Bob Sanders wrote:
> > On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:51:55 -0400
> >
> > Daniel D Jones <ddjones@riddlemaster.org> wrote:
> > > Is anyone aware of  a decent comm program for Linux?  Something along
> > > the lines of SecureCRT for Windows?  (SecureCRT is a commercial
> > > program.  There's supposed to be a Linux port in progress but I'd much
> > > prefer to use Open Source.)  I can't seem to find anything but stuff
> > > that was written in the '90s like minicom  or programs that have
> > > limited capabilities.  For example, Komport (KDE's serial comm program)
> > > is limited to a 25 x 80 screen, despite the fact that it's a GUI
> > > program.  I'm looking for a GUI program with a scrollback buffer,
> > > scripting, multi protocol support (ssh in all its various flavors,
> > > serial port, telnet, rlogin), session logging, etc.  This is the kind
> > > of technical itch that I would think lots of programmers would scratch,
> > > but I haven't been able to find anything close.
> >
> > No gui program I know of.  But Ruby will allow you to do all that.  As it
> > supports the tk widget library, among other interfaces, the gui is fairly
> > straight forward.
> >
> > Bob
> > -
>
> Hi,
>
> If I neeeeeeeeeeeed a GUI program I'm using Putty. Otherwise ssh
> user@host from a shell prompt.
>
> I'm pretty sure that the GNOMErs and KDErs have something too.

When I say I need a GUI, I mean I need something with a scroll-back buffer.  
I'm a Cisco tech and being able to look at back at output that's scrolled off 
the screen is vital.  A program like, say, Konsole, would be fine.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Linux comm program

[Frank Schafer]

On Wed, 2005-08-10 at 07:09 -0400, Daniel D Jones wrote:
> On Wednesday 10 August 2005 02:30 am, Frank Schafer wrote:
> > On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 21:14 -0700, Bob Sanders wrote:
> > > On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:51:55 -0400
> > >
> > > Daniel D Jones <ddjones@riddlemaster.org> wrote:
> > > > Is anyone aware of  a decent comm program for Linux?  Something along
> > > > the lines of SecureCRT for Windows?  (SecureCRT is a commercial
> > > > program.  There's supposed to be a Linux port in progress but I'd much
> > > > prefer to use Open Source.)  I can't seem to find anything but stuff
> > > > that was written in the '90s like minicom  or programs that have
> > > > limited capabilities.  For example, Komport (KDE's serial comm program)
> > > > is limited to a 25 x 80 screen, despite the fact that it's a GUI
> > > > program.  I'm looking for a GUI program with a scrollback buffer,
> > > > scripting, multi protocol support (ssh in all its various flavors,
> > > > serial port, telnet, rlogin), session logging, etc.  This is the kind
> > > > of technical itch that I would think lots of programmers would scratch,
> > > > but I haven't been able to find anything close.
> > >
> > > No gui program I know of.  But Ruby will allow you to do all that.  As it
> > > supports the tk widget library, among other interfaces, the gui is fairly
> > > straight forward.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > > -
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > If I neeeeeeeeeeeed a GUI program I'm using Putty. Otherwise ssh
> > user@host from a shell prompt.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure that the GNOMErs and KDErs have something too.
> 
> When I say I need a GUI, I mean I need something with a scroll-back buffer.  
> I'm a Cisco tech and being able to look at back at output that's scrolled off 
> the screen is vital.  A program like, say, Konsole, would be fine.

Hmmm, ... wondering ...

If I call {ssh | telnet} frome an {xterm | eterm | aterm | ...} I have a
scroll back buffer. Mostly I configure these tools to not have a
scrollbar, so I use to use <SHIFT><PgUP> or <SHIFT><PgDN>.

Mostly I use this feature to look back to former output only, so I have
it limited to 2000 lines.

Hope this helps
Frank
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Re: [gentoo-user] Linux comm program

[Hans-Werner Hilse]

Hi,

On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:51:55 -0400
Daniel D Jones <ddjones@riddlemaster.org> wrote:

>  I can't seem to find anything but stuff that was written in the 
> '90s like minicom  or programs that have limited capabilities.
> ...
> I'm looking for a GUI program with a scrollback buffer, scripting, 
> multi protocol support (ssh in all its various 
> flavors, serial port, telnet, rlogin), session logging, etc.
> ...
> This is the kind of technical itch that I would think lots of 
> programmers would scratch, but I haven't been able to find 
> anything close.

Because this isn't the Unix way of doing things. (I think you're a Cisco
tech?!?)

Instead, the approach would be to
- use a console for X11 gui (xterm, rxvt, whatever),
- use a terminal emulator for for terminal emulation (usually included
in the console applications, but I'm more thinking of "screen" here
because you mentioned scollback buffer and stuff),
- use a serial line comm prog for the serial communication (what's
wrong with minicom?)
- use a SSH shell for SSH connections, Telnet for telnet, etc. pp.
- use a program for skripting ttys for the macros - "expect" and "talk"
come to my mind.

Instead of having a huge, hard-to-maintain one-does-it-all-package,
this seems a lot more flexible to me. If you want to save keystrokes -
well, write some scripts and aliases.

-hwh

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Re: [gentoo-user] Linux comm program

[A. Khattri]

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Hans-Werner Hilse wrote:

> Instead, the approach would be to
> - use a console for X11 gui (xterm, rxvt, whatever),
> - use a terminal emulator for for terminal emulation (usually included
> in the console applications, but I'm more thinking of "screen" here
> because you mentioned scollback buffer and stuff),
> - use a serial line comm prog for the serial communication (what's
> wrong with minicom?)
> - use a SSH shell for SSH connections, Telnet for telnet, etc. pp.
> - use a program for skripting ttys for the macros - "expect" and "talk"
> come to my mind.

And if you want scrollback buffers then try running your
telnet/ssh/minicomm program under screen.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Linux comm program

[Billy Holmes]

Daniel D Jones wrote:

> When I say I need a GUI, I mean I need something with a scroll-back buffer.  
> I'm a Cisco tech and being able to look at back at output that's scrolled off 
> the screen is vital.  A program like, say, Konsole, would be fine.

well, there is screen - it will log sessions to files, so mix with ssh 
or telnet, and you have a way to log sessions.

qterm is a BBS terminal client, from it's description. I've never ran it.

In Konsole, you can CTRL-PGUP, to scroll through the backlog.

So yes, SecureCRT is a nice product, but there really isn't a need for 
such a program under linux. There are collections of programs that 
perform the same task.
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[gentoo-user] Re: Linux comm program

[Michael Mauch]

Daniel D Jones wrote:

> When I say I need a GUI, I mean I need something with a scroll-back buffer.  
> I'm a Cisco tech and being able to look at back at output that's scrolled off 
> the screen is vital.  A program like, say, Konsole, would be fine.

Then use konsole and ssh/telnet/rlogin. Minicom has its own scrollback
buffer (Alt-b).
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Re: [gentoo-user] Linux comm program

[Nick Rout]

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:44:06 -0400 (EDT)
A. Khattri wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Hans-Werner Hilse wrote:
> 
> > Instead, the approach would be to
> > - use a console for X11 gui (xterm, rxvt, whatever),
> > - use a terminal emulator for for terminal emulation (usually included
> > in the console applications, but I'm more thinking of "screen" here
> > because you mentioned scollback buffer and stuff),
> > - use a serial line comm prog for the serial communication (what's
> > wrong with minicom?)
> > - use a SSH shell for SSH connections, Telnet for telnet, etc. pp.
> > - use a program for skripting ttys for the macros - "expect" and "talk"
> > come to my mind.
> 
> And if you want scrollback buffers then try running your
> telnet/ssh/minicomm program under screen.

you do not need screen. try running them under bash! ctrl-pgup/ctrl-pgdn.
Even works in a console. There is undoubtedly an ENV variable to control
the number of lines.

Also the program script will save everything to a file for later perusal,
or which you could tail -f in another xterm/console.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Linux comm program

[James]

Daniel D Jones <ddjones <at> riddlemaster.org> writes:


> > > Daniel D Jones <ddjones <at> riddlemaster.org> wrote:
> > > > Is anyone aware of  a decent comm program for Linux?  Something along
> > > > the lines of SecureCRT for Windows?  (SecureCRT is a commercial
> > > > program.  There's supposed to be a Linux port in progress but I'd much
> > > > prefer to use Open Source.)  I can't seem to find anything but stuff
> > > > that was written in the '90s like minicom  or programs that have
> > > > limited capabilities.  For example, Komport (KDE's serial comm program)
> > > > is limited to a 25 x 80 screen, despite the fact that it's a GUI
> > > > program.  I'm looking for a GUI program with a scrollback buffer,
> > > > scripting, multi protocol support (ssh in all its various flavors,
> > > > serial port, telnet, rlogin), session logging, etc.  This is the kind
> > > > of technical itch that I would think lots of programmers would scratch,
> > > > but I haven't been able to find anything close.


> When I say I need a GUI, I mean I need something with a scroll-back buffer.  
> I'm a Cisco tech and being able to look at back at output that's scrolled off 
> the screen is vital.  A program like, say, Konsole, would be fine.


I've found the best thing to do is setup ppp natively on the linux system
and over the serial port on the cisco 1700, that I manage. That way, you do
have screen buffers to roll back previous messages. But, this is a dangerous
way to track log file, if that is what you are doing. Just have the cisco
send it's information to a log host. If you want to capture a session in detail,
I use the vintage unix 'script' command before I begin a session. It's all
packed into a file for your perusal at a later date.

Setting up ppp on the serial port of a cisco router can be an adventure.
When I called 'carrier support' I spoke with serveral cisco pros that
had not done this, and were not sure why I would want ppp between a cisco
router's serial port an a linux machine.

Boy, I sure miss the cisco days of the early nineties, when all the
internal cisco jocks were unix guys..... All things microsuck have polluted
the minds at cisco..... PS build your router with hardware from companies
that support linux, natively, and you'll be much happier, save your company
a bundle, and can robustly and securely implement complimentary protocols
on your servers and routers, such as OSPF.

YMMV,

James

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