[gentoo-user] Stale Samba in Portage

[gentoo-user] Stale Samba in Portage

[Raymond Lillard]

I'm new to Gentoo (old at Linux) and like what I see so far.
The only downside to Gentoo that I've found is that it takes
forever to compile everything.  I do appreciate that my system
runs faster, it's just the price is two days and a fat pipe
to do a fairly complete install.  Most binary installs take
me less than half of a day.  I watched OpenOffice download
and compile for over six hours before I gave up and went to
bed.

Now on to my topic.  I have noticed that the Samba version
presently available in Portage is v3.0.10.  That version
was released more than six months ago.  The latest released
version of Samba (v3.0.14a), which contains several important
bug fixes over v3.0.10, was released in mid-April.  The next
release of Samba will be v3.0.20.  It presently is in the
"rc" stage and will be released "real soon now".

Being new to Gentoo, I don't know what the typical lag time
between an upstream release and a Portage release is, but
from the looks of the packages I have installed, it seems
that Portage chases the upstream releases rather vigorously.

Is there some specific issue with Samba?

Has the Samba/Portage maintainer been unable to work on
this?  Does he/she need assistance?

Should I just get v3.0.14a directly and maintain it outside
the Portage system?

I don't mind maintaining Samba outside of Portage, but before
I do so, I would like to understand the present situation.

Best,
Ray


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Re: [gentoo-user] Stale Samba in Portage

[fire-eyes]

On Mon, 2005-08-01 at 15:57 -0700, Raymond Lillard wrote:
> Now on to my topic.  I have noticed that the Samba version
> presently available in Portage is v3.0.10.

# emerge -pv samba

These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild     U ] net-fs/samba-3.0.14a-r2 [3.0.14a-r1] -acl -cups -doc
+kerberos +ldap -libclamav -mysql -oav +pam -postgres -python -quotas
+readline (-selinux) +winbind +xml +xml2 15,245 kB 

Total size of downloads: 15,245 kB


I realize you are new, perhaps you have not updated your portage tree.

The easiest way to do this is emerge sync. If you cannot do that, try
web-rsync or web-sync (I forget what it's called), though I have never
done that.

The version you are looking for is in portage :)

If in doubt, visit http://packages.gentoo.org/

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Re: [gentoo-user] Stale Samba in Portage

[Zac Medico]

Raymond Lillard wrote:
> 
> I'm new to Gentoo (old at Linux) and like what I see so far.
> The only downside to Gentoo that I've found is that it takes
> forever to compile everything.  I do appreciate that my system
> runs faster, it's just the price is two days and a fat pipe
> to do a fairly complete install.  Most binary installs take
> me less than half of a day.  I watched OpenOffice download
> and compile for over six hours before I gave up and went to
> bed.
> 

Many packages are offered as -bin packages such as openoffice-bin.  You can alse use GRP packages (see handbook) or look at http://chinstrap.alternating.net/.

> Now on to my topic.  I have noticed that the Samba version
> presently available in Portage is v3.0.10.  That version
> was released more than six months ago.  The latest released
> version of Samba (v3.0.14a), which contains several important
> bug fixes over v3.0.10, was released in mid-April.  The next
> release of Samba will be v3.0.20.  It presently is in the
> "rc" stage and will be released "real soon now".
> 
> Being new to Gentoo, I don't know what the typical lag time
> between an upstream release and a Portage release is, but
> from the looks of the packages I have installed, it seems
> that Portage chases the upstream releases rather vigorously.
> 
> Is there some specific issue with Samba?
> 
> Has the Samba/Portage maintainer been unable to work on
> this?  Does he/she need assistance?
> 
> Should I just get v3.0.14a directly and maintain it outside
> the Portage system?
> 
> I don't mind maintaining Samba outside of Portage, but before
> I do so, I would like to understand the present situation.
> 
> Best,
> Ray
> 
> 

You need to learn more about portage (read the portage manpage).

mkdir /etc/portage
echo "net-fs/samba ~*" >> /etc/portage/package.keywords
emerge -av samba

Zac
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Re: [gentoo-user] Stale Samba in Portage

[William Kenworthy]

ACCEPT_KEYWORDS='~x86' emerge samba -s

Look at man emerge and the portage docs for what the above does, and how
to make it permanent.

Critical apps seem to take a bit longer to get to stable, but the above
will often get you a more updated version, albeit at a higher risk of
problems.

Check out portage overlay in the docs to see how to make your own
ebuilds for specific versions - you can often copy and adjust an
existing ebuild, pop it into the overlay and have the latest and
buggiest at your beck and call.  Note that this can also be used to keep
ancient versions around as well with a little more work.

Time: as a gentoo user you will find that a working definition of time
seems to change subtly ... over time ...

Lastly, dont forget to emerge sync regularly, and then run glsa-check
against your system to check for security updates.

BillK


On Mon, 2005-08-01 at 15:57 -0700, Raymond Lillard wrote:
> I'm new to Gentoo (old at Linux) and like what I see so far.
> The only downside to Gentoo that I've found is that it takes
> forever to compile everything.  I do appreciate that my system
> runs faster, it's just the price is two days and a fat pipe
> to do a fairly complete install.  Most binary installs take
> me less than half of a day.  I watched OpenOffice download
> and compile for over six hours before I gave up and went to
> bed.
> 
> Now on to my topic.  I have noticed that the Samba version
> presently available in Portage is v3.0.10.  That version
> was released more than six months ago.  The latest released
> version of Samba (v3.0.14a), which contains several important
> bug fixes over v3.0.10, was released in mid-April.  The next
> release of Samba will be v3.0.20.  It presently is in the
> "rc" stage and will be released "real soon now".
> 
> Being new to Gentoo, I don't know what the typical lag time
> between an upstream release and a Portage release is, but
> from the looks of the packages I have installed, it seems
> that Portage chases the upstream releases rather vigorously.
> 
> Is there some specific issue with Samba?
> 
> Has the Samba/Portage maintainer been unable to work on
> this?  Does he/she need assistance?
> 
> Should I just get v3.0.14a directly and maintain it outside
> the Portage system?
> 
> I don't mind maintaining Samba outside of Portage, but before
> I do so, I would like to understand the present situation.
> 
> Best,
> Ray
> 
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Stale Samba in Portage

[fire-eyes]

On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 07:14 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
> ACCEPT_KEYWORDS='~x86' emerge samba -s

ACCEPT_KEYWORDS done on the command line is a very poor idea,
use /etc/portage/package.use instead.

I forget the specifics, but I have seen a system run into serious
problems and library screwups over that.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Stale Samba in Portage

[Zac Medico]

fire-eyes wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 07:14 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
> 
>>ACCEPT_KEYWORDS='~x86' emerge samba -s
> 
> 
> ACCEPT_KEYWORDS done on the command line is a very poor idea,
> use /etc/portage/package.use instead.
> 
> I forget the specifics, but I have seen a system run into serious
> problems and library screwups over that.
> 

I was thinking the same thing, except I suppose it's not so bad you are only using it for searching (emerge -s).

The problem with using things like USE and ACCEPT_KEYWORDS directly on the command line is that the next time you go to upgrade that package or do "emerge -u world", Your package specific USE and ACCEPT_KEYWORDS settings will have been forgotten.  You can make them persistent if you keep them in package.use and package.keywords.

Zac
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Re: [gentoo-user] Stale Samba in Portage

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:58:56 -0700, Zac Medico wrote:

> The problem with using things like USE and ACCEPT_KEYWORDS directly on
> the command line is that the next time you go to upgrade that package
> or do "emerge -u world", Your package specific USE and ACCEPT_KEYWORDS
> settings will have been forgotten.  You can make them persistent if you
> keep them in package.use and package.keywords.

The other problem is that the keywords apply to the entire command, so
any dependencies are also merged with that setting, whereas
package.keywords only applies to the specific package.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Stale Samba in Portage

[W.Kenworthy]

Its ok for a quick check - especially as I dont want ~x86 samba on that
system.  

I regard /etc/portage and the way it has been done is a disaster waiting
to happen.  You have files hidden away in there that unless you make the
effort, can (and do) keep insecure versions of software on your system -
make sure you regularly check what you put in there!  It also did not
work properly on two of my systems (one has been decommissioned and the
other has been so much upgraded I think the problem has gone away - I
gave up after hours of trying to track down inconsistencies.

Sorry, but I hanker back to simpler times when -i made things so easy
and I didnt have to worry about someones idea of an "elegant" fix ...

BillK


On Mon, 2005-08-01 at 19:45 -0400, fire-eyes wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 07:14 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
> > ACCEPT_KEYWORDS='~x86' emerge samba -s
> 
> ACCEPT_KEYWORDS done on the command line is a very poor idea,
> use /etc/portage/package.use instead.
> 
> I forget the specifics, but I have seen a system run into serious
> problems and library screwups over that.
> 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Stale Samba in Portage

[Brett I. Holcomb]

Bill, have you used RPMs <G>.  Then you will appreciate portage <G>.  When 
I came to Gentoo from Caldera it was such a relief not to have to use 
RPMs!  It's never faltered on me and the ~arch keeps "unstable" stuff out 
of my sight unless 
I chose it.


On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, W.Kenworthy wrote:

> Its ok for a quick check - especially as I dont want ~x86 samba on that
> system.
>
> I regard /etc/portage and the way it has been done is a disaster waiting
> to happen.  You have files hidden away in there that unless you make the
> effort, can (and do) keep insecure versions of software on your system -
> make sure you regularly check what you put in there!  It also did not
> work properly on two of my systems (one has been decommissioned and the
> other has been so much upgraded I think the problem has gone away - I
> gave up after hours of trying to track down inconsistencies.
>
> Sorry, but I hanker back to simpler times when -i made things so easy
> and I didnt have to worry about someones idea of an "elegant" fix ...
>
> BillK
>
>
> On Mon, 2005-08-01 at 19:45 -0400, fire-eyes wrote:
>> On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 07:14 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
>>> ACCEPT_KEYWORDS='~x86' emerge samba -s
>>
>> ACCEPT_KEYWORDS done on the command line is a very poor idea,
>> use /etc/portage/package.use instead.
>>
>> I forget the specifics, but I have seen a system run into serious
>> problems and library screwups over that.
>>
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] Stale Samba in Portage (SOLVED)

[Raymond Lillard]

Raymond Lillard wrote:
> Now on to my topic.  I have noticed that the Samba version
> presently available in Portage is v3.0.10.  That version
> was released more than six months ago.  The latest released
> version of Samba (v3.0.14a), which contains several important
> bug fixes over v3.0.10, was released in mid-April.  The next
> release of Samba will be v3.0.20.  It presently is in the
> "rc" stage and will be released "real soon now".

For the record, I needed to understand the QA phases in
Portage.  The discussion in the thread led me to:

1.  Create the file:  /etc/portage/package.keywords
Containing:

# Allow test versions of Samba to be visible
net-fs/samba ~x86



2.  Further info under:

URL:  http://packages.gentoo.org/

Search for: Samba

Found discussion among Portage maintainers that suggests
3.0.14a could be marked stable any day now.



Thanks for the help.
Ray

PS  My installation of Gentoo in on a Dell Latitude D810.
     This is a fairly fast machine with a really nice display.
     Gentoo has been both very user responsive and stable.
     I have not had any sign of instability, unlike some other
     distros I could (but won't) name.

     I have built most all of the popular office applications
     and many of the sysadmin apps with NO issues.  The Gentoo
     team seems to run a tight ship and I like it.  It feels
     like a BSD system.

     I haven't gotten to the audio/video stuff yet.  I'm
     optimistic though.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Stale Samba in Portage (SOLVED)

[Nick Rout]

On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 18:49:01 -0700
Raymond Lillard wrote:

> I haven't gotten to the audio/video stuff yet.  I'm
>      optimistic though.

So long as you look at the USE flags with a fine tooth comb you will
find a lot of joy in the gentoo multimedia experience. It is (fortunately
IMHO) not bogged down by the desire to keep clear of win32codecs,
libdvdcss and the like.

My gentoo system can play more media files than my win2k system, and
without the annoyances of realplayer or quicktime popping up to tell me
that I can now watch the latest piece of crap that they think i want to
see.

Anyway, my point was that, unlike some other distros where you have to
hunt around for third party implementations in order to watch the dvd
you own, or listen to an mp3, gentoo gives you the choice of including
it right from inside portage.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Stale Samba in Portage

[Richard Fish]

Raymond Lillard wrote:

> Is there some specific issue with Samba?


Just a comment on something that wasn't mentioned in this thread.

bugs.gentoo.org is really the primary "project management" tool used by 
Gentoo.  If you want to know what is going on with a particular package, 
it is a good idea to search bug reports there.  The comments associated 
with the bugs will give you a good idea of what is going on with it.

That isn't to disuade you from posting here!  We are always happy to 
help, and as you see, the responses can come fast and furious!

-Richard

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