[gentoo-user] Recommend me a good PCMCIA wireless network card

[gentoo-user] Recommend me a good PCMCIA wireless network card

[Ian K]

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Hi there,
I have an older laptop that I want to add to my network,
(its a 802.11B one) and I was wondering what brands/models
would work the best under Linux. Im fairly flexible, and would
really not like to tinker with too many drivers. Any good ideas?
Thanks!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Recommend me a good PCMCIA wireless network card

[Ian K]

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Colin wrote:

>
> On Jul 24, 2005, at 2:54 AM, Greg Bur wrote:
>
>> On 7/23/05, Ian K <omega_2_1@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there,
>>> I have an older laptop that I want to add to my network,
>>> (its a 802.11B one) and I was wondering what brands/models
>>> would work the best under Linux. Im fairly flexible, and would
>>> really not like to tinker with too many drivers. Any good ideas?
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>
>> I've always had good luck with cards that use the Orinoco chipset and
>> the only time I've had to tinder with drivers was when I wanted to get
>> Kismet working with the card.  You should be able to pick one up for
>> under $50.  Check out http://www.proxim.com or
>> http://www.buffalotech.com for more details.
>
>
> Just remember, if the laptop isn't going too far, a good length of Ye 
> Olde Cat5e is a much cheaper solution.  That being said...
>
>
> Yeah, I picked up a great Orinoco (branded as Enterasys) at 
> Rokland.com last month for roughly $50.  Atheros chipset, 802.11a/
> SuperA/b/b+/g/SuperG... very nice.  It works in Windows (with the 
> driver CD), Mac OS X (with the shareware OrangeWare driver--totally 
> worth the $15 shareware fee) and, naturally, Linux (with MADWIFI).  
> It picks up Channels 1 through 14, and can put out up to 100 mW of 
> power (40 mW on A networks).
>
> There's no antenna jack, though, but I hear most PCMCIA Orinocoes can 
> be modded to include some kind of external jack;  I'm not that 
> desperate for power, but with dial-up at home, I might do that mod 
> and build a yagi antenna, get in my car, and... well, you get the 
> idea. :-)
>
> Still haven't had any luck with KisMAC (the OS X port of Kismet), 
> though.  It finds my card but doesn't detect my wireless network... 
> I'll figure it out eventually.
> -- 
> Colin

My other laptop has a nice atheros wireless card, very painless to set
up. I dont know what
chipsets are on what cards, so perhaps you could give me a model name
and brand? I really
just want to be able to goto futureshop and pick one up.. :)
Thank you for understanding my dumbness. :)
Ian


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Re: [gentoo-user] Recommend me a good PCMCIA wireless network card

[Ian K]

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Colin wrote:

>
> On Jul 24, 2005, at 2:54 AM, Greg Bur wrote:
>
>> On 7/23/05, Ian K <omega_2_1@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there,
>>> I have an older laptop that I want to add to my network,
>>> (its a 802.11B one) and I was wondering what brands/models
>>> would work the best under Linux. Im fairly flexible, and would
>>> really not like to tinker with too many drivers. Any good ideas?
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>
>> I've always had good luck with cards that use the Orinoco chipset and
>> the only time I've had to tinder with drivers was when I wanted to get
>> Kismet working with the card.  You should be able to pick one up for
>> under $50.  Check out http://www.proxim.com or
>> http://www.buffalotech.com for more details.
>
>
> Just remember, if the laptop isn't going too far, a good length of Ye 
> Olde Cat5e is a much cheaper solution.  That being said...

Oh, this laptop has absolutely no ethernet port, and the router is in my
parent's room, so just to be out of the way, i would like to go for a
wireless card. :)
Ian

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Re: [gentoo-user] Recommend me a good PCMCIA wireless network card

[Greg Bur]

On 7/23/05, Ian K <omega_2_1@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> Hi there,
> I have an older laptop that I want to add to my network,
> (its a 802.11B one) and I was wondering what brands/models
> would work the best under Linux. Im fairly flexible, and would
> really not like to tinker with too many drivers. Any good ideas?
> Thanks!

I've always had good luck with cards that use the Orinoco chipset and
the only time I've had to tinder with drivers was when I wanted to get
Kismet working with the card.  You should be able to pick one up for
under $50.  Check out http://www.proxim.com or
http://www.buffalotech.com for more details.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Recommend me a good PCMCIA wireless network card

[Colin]

On Jul 24, 2005, at 2:54 AM, Greg Bur wrote:

> On 7/23/05, Ian K <omega_2_1@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>> I have an older laptop that I want to add to my network,
>> (its a 802.11B one) and I was wondering what brands/models
>> would work the best under Linux. Im fairly flexible, and would
>> really not like to tinker with too many drivers. Any good ideas?
>> Thanks!
>>
>
> I've always had good luck with cards that use the Orinoco chipset and
> the only time I've had to tinder with drivers was when I wanted to get
> Kismet working with the card.  You should be able to pick one up for
> under $50.  Check out http://www.proxim.com or
> http://www.buffalotech.com for more details.

Just remember, if the laptop isn't going too far, a good length of Ye  
Olde Cat5e is a much cheaper solution.  That being said...


Yeah, I picked up a great Orinoco (branded as Enterasys) at  
Rokland.com last month for roughly $50.  Atheros chipset, 802.11a/ 
SuperA/b/b+/g/SuperG... very nice.  It works in Windows (with the  
driver CD), Mac OS X (with the shareware OrangeWare driver--totally  
worth the $15 shareware fee) and, naturally, Linux (with MADWIFI).   
It picks up Channels 1 through 14, and can put out up to 100 mW of  
power (40 mW on A networks).

There's no antenna jack, though, but I hear most PCMCIA Orinocoes can  
be modded to include some kind of external jack;  I'm not that  
desperate for power, but with dial-up at home, I might do that mod  
and build a yagi antenna, get in my car, and... well, you get the  
idea. :-)

Still haven't had any luck with KisMAC (the OS X port of Kismet),  
though.  It finds my card but doesn't detect my wireless network...  
I'll figure it out eventually.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Recommend me a good PCMCIA wireless network card

[Greg Bur]

> 
> Just remember, if the laptop isn't going too far, a good length of Ye
> Olde Cat5e is a much cheaper solution.  That being said...

Changes the possible security implications too...

> 
> 
> Yeah, I picked up a great Orinoco (branded as Enterasys) at
> Rokland.com last month for roughly $50.  Atheros chipset, 802.11a/
> SuperA/b/b+/g/SuperG... very nice.  It works in Windows (with the
> driver CD), Mac OS X (with the shareware OrangeWare driver--totally
> worth the $15 shareware fee) and, naturally, Linux (with MADWIFI).
> It picks up Channels 1 through 14, and can put out up to 100 mW of
> power (40 mW on A networks).

I forgot about Enterasys and Atheros.  The Orinoco-based cards have
power output of around 24mW and the sensitivity is right around -83dB
which I've found works well in most situations.  I usually see about
3.5mbps of throughput when "connected" at 11mbps.  Could be better but
it gets the job done.  Btw, I think YDI (Terabeam) still sells an
Orinoco-based card.  They've got really good support should you need
it.

> There's no antenna jack, though, but I hear most PCMCIA Orinocoes can
> be modded to include some kind of external jack;  I'm not that
> desperate for power, but with dial-up at home, I might do that mod
> and build a yagi antenna, get in my car, and... well, you get the
> idea. :-)

I've got three or four of the cards back from the days when they were
still made by Lucent and with the proper pigtail you can connect an
external antenna.  In fact I used to use Orinoco PC cards with a PCI
adapter to deliver high-speed access to folks around here and they
worked quite well, then the telco showed up with DSL but that's
another story.  As for the newer cards, I believe the Proxim cards can
be modded by opening the antenna housing on the card to get to the
antenna connector.  If you want to go to an external antenna check
with YDI, I think they still make PC cards with external antenna
connectors.


> Still haven't had any luck with KisMAC (the OS X port of Kismet),
> though.  It finds my card but doesn't detect my wireless network...
> I'll figure it out eventually.

Maybe the drivers don't support monitor mode?  That's what I ran into
with Linux but that was only a kernel patch away and my experience
with KisMAC is exactly zero...



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Re: [gentoo-user] Recommend me a good PCMCIA wireless network card

[Greg Bur]

On 7/23/05, Ian K <omega_2_1@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> My other laptop has a nice atheros wireless card, very painless to set
> up. I dont know what
> chipsets are on what cards, so perhaps you could give me a model name
> and brand? I really
> just want to be able to goto futureshop and pick one up.. :)
> Thank you for understanding my dumbness. :)
> Ian
> 

http://tinyurl.com/9l9wl

That should work well for you ;)  I noticed on a previous page that
they offer an 802.11g card for $30 but I'm not sure about driver
compatibility.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Recommend me a good PCMCIA wireless network card

[Richard Fish]

Ian K wrote:

>My other laptop has a nice atheros wireless card, very painless to set
>up. I dont know what
>chipsets are on what cards, so perhaps you could give me a model name
>and brand?
>

Unfortunately, neither does anybody else on this list.  This is because 
manufacturers have a habit of changing chipsets without changing model 
numbers.  So lot #1234 can be atheros, while #1235 can be intersil, 
#1236 can be, well you get the picture.

The best is to buy from a store with a liberal return/exchange 
policy...of course it always helps if it says "supports linux" on the box!

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] Recommend me a good PCMCIA wireless network card

[Colin]

On Jul 24, 2005, at 3:56 AM, Richard Fish wrote:

> Ian K wrote:
>
>
>> My other laptop has a nice atheros wireless card, very painless to  
>> set
>> up. I dont know what
>> chipsets are on what cards, so perhaps you could give me a model name
>> and brand?
>>
>>
>
> Unfortunately, neither does anybody else on this list.  This is  
> because manufacturers have a habit of changing chipsets without  
> changing model numbers.  So lot #1234 can be atheros, while #1235  
> can be intersil, #1236 can be, well you get the picture.
>
> The best is to buy from a store with a liberal return/exchange  
> policy...of course it always helps if it says "supports linux" on  
> the box!

Yeah, if you've listened to this list, you'll know some chipsets are  
good, and some are just plain bad.  Bad chipsets (Broadcom, PrismGT,  
ACX100, ACX111) are not supported well if at all under Linux.  (Hell,  
even Windows choked on a Windows-only ACX111 card.)  You may have  
success with the Windows drivers and NDISwrapper, but more than  
likely this is one for shipping back to your e-tailer.  These  
chipsets being "el cheapo," they pop up in a lot of low-end consumer  
wireless devices.   Good chipsets (Atheros, Atmel, Intersil, Orinoco,  
Prism, Prism2) are natively supported by Linux, and most of them can  
be loaded from the LiveCD with the modprobe command.  The rest are  
usually supported by building in support when you build the kernel.   
Sadly, these are more expensive because all the hardware is on the  
card, and nothing is emulated via a driver (remember Winmodems vs.  
hardware modems?  This is it all over again.)  But you do get what  
you pay for, as a lot of enterprise-level solutions have these  
chipsets, and they boast excellent reliability, compatibility and range.

Any other chipset, just Google.  Some manufacturers stick to one  
chipset (like Apple does Broadcom).  However, most manufacturers  
often change chipsets during production without warning, keeping the  
same model number and just tacking on a "Revision B," often written  
on the card only but most do write it on the box in tiny print.  Just  
wait until no one's looking and open up the box and check :-)

As for "supports Linux," there are far too many distros, drivers,  
hacks and configurations to test with.  Maybe they tested Debian with  
MADWIFI?  Slackware with NDISwrapper... and which Windows driver?  If  
it says Linux compatible, don't take it as a green light.  Take it as  
a yield sign instead--look first, then go.

If you've got a laptop, bring it and a LiveCD to the store (if you  
don't buy it online) and give it a whirl... with permission, of  
course.  And slip the boy at Best Buy a couple Alexander Hamiltons  
($10 bills, in case you forgot your U.S. history) for making him put  
up with you testing a million different cards and not finding  
anything that works. :-P
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Re: [gentoo-user] Recommend me a good PCMCIA wireless network card

[Greg Bur]

> Unfortunately, neither does anybody else on this list.  This is because
> manufacturers have a habit of changing chipsets without changing model
> numbers.  So lot #1234 can be atheros, while #1235 can be intersil,
> #1236 can be, well you get the picture.
> 
> The best is to buy from a store with a liberal return/exchange
> policy...of course it always helps if it says "supports linux" on the box!
> 
> -Richard

This is exactly why I stick with Proxim or Buffalotech, they aren't
the usual moving targets like some other vendors.  It's also nice to
have the ability to pick up the phone and talk to someone about the
product.  They are usually quite willing to help.  Speaking of
companies who are willing to help check out http://www.demarctech.com.
 They post right on their website whether or not a particular card has
Linux drivers available and they cater primarily to small, independent
WISPs.  Good bunch of people to work with.  I hope all of this
information has helped rather than furthered your confusion.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Recommend me a good PCMCIA wireless network card

[Stroller]

On Jul 24, 2005, at 8:44 am, Greg Bur wrote:

> On 7/23/05, Ian K <omega_2_1@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> My other laptop has a nice atheros wireless card, very painless to set
>> up. I dont know what
>> chipsets are on what cards, so perhaps you could give me a model name
>> and brand? I really
>> just want to be able to goto futureshop and pick one up.. :)
>> Thank you for understanding my dumbness. :)
>> Ian
>>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/9l9wl

AIRSTATION 11MBPS WIRELESS PCMCIA LAPTOP CARD PC/MAC

> That should work well for you ;)  I noticed on a previous page that
> they offer an 802.11g card for $30 but I'm not sure about driver
> compatibility.

The Macintosh-compatible 802.11g card uses the same Broadcom chipset as 
Apple's "Airport Extreme" products - I know, because I sold three of 
these cards to another Mac-reseller last week. I believe that there are 
no open-source drivers for this chipset, and have seen NDISwrapper 
referred to in many forums articles relating to it.

This is not a comment on the 802.11b 11MBPS card that your link points 
to - for all I know that may use the excellently-supported Prism 
chipset.

Stroller.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Recommend me a good PCMCIA wireless network card

[Stroller]

On Jul 24, 2005, at 1:49 am, Ian K wrote:
>
> I have an older laptop that I want to add to my network,
> (its a 802.11B one) and I was wondering what brands/models
> would work the best under Linux. Im fairly flexible, and would
> really not like to tinker with too many drivers. Any good ideas?

Currently available are cards using the Ralink chipset, as this 
manufacturer has open-sourced their own drivers and there is a strong 
GPL project that will (I believe) eventually join the main kernel tree.

I have tested CNet cards using this chipset, and indeed I supply them 
to Windows customers as they're very good value, however I prefer the 
Belkin under Linux, as they just seem to behave slightly better. The 
difference is nearly intangible, but the CNet cards would sometimes not 
start properly when called by the /etc/init.d scripts, only to work 
perfectly when restarted manually. I could not make any rhyme nor 
reason of this, although I expect they'll work perfectly in a year or 
two when the rt2500 driver is more mature.

Some others have suggested finding a supplier with a liberal returns 
policy and have suggested that no-one can guarantee that a model will 
have a specific chipset. I'm associated with the famous UK cartoon IT 
consultant, Network Ned, and can vouch that he does indeed test every 
batch of wireless cards that he receives for Linux compatibility. He 
offers these on a "guaranteed to work with Linux" basis - 
http://networkned.co.uk/hardware.php - but is aware that his website 
isn't CSS-compliant, thankyouverymuch.

Stroller. 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Recommend me a good PCMCIA wireless network card

[Stephan Grein]

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Stroller wrote:

>
> On Jul 24, 2005, at 8:44 am, Greg Bur wrote:
>
>> On 7/23/05, Ian K <omega_2_1@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> My other laptop has a nice atheros wireless card, very painless
>>> to set up. I dont know what chipsets are on what cards, so
>>> perhaps you could give me a model name and brand? I really just
>>> want to be able to goto futureshop and pick one up.. :) Thank
>>> you for understanding my dumbness. :) Ian
>>>
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/9l9wl
>
>
> AIRSTATION 11MBPS WIRELESS PCMCIA LAPTOP CARD PC/MAC
>
>> That should work well for you ;) I noticed on a previous page
>> that they offer an 802.11g card for $30 but I'm not sure about
>> driver compatibility.
>
>
> The Macintosh-compatible 802.11g card uses the same Broadcom
> chipset as Apple's "Airport Extreme" products - I know, because I
> sold three of these cards to another Mac-reseller last week. I
> believe that there are no open-source drivers for this chipset, and
> have seen NDISwrapper referred to in many forums articles relating
> to it.
>
> This is not a comment on the 802.11b 11MBPS card that your link
> points to - for all I know that may use the excellently-supported
> Prism chipset.
>
> Stroller.
>
Get an Atheros or Prism54 based chipset, then all will be good. :)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Recommend me a good PCMCIA wireless network card

[Stroller]

On Jul 24, 2005, at 6:11 pm, Stephan Grein wrote:
>> This is not a comment on the 802.11b 11MBPS card that your link
>> points to - for all I know that may use the excellently-supported
>> Prism chipset.
>
> Get an Atheros or Prism54 based chipset, then all will be good. :)
> cheers.

I'm not familiar with the Atheros chipset, but I would be EXTREMELY 
grateful to hear of any suppliers of Prism54-based cards - I have only 
one left in stock myself.

To the Prism54 mailing list on May 22, 2005 Eero Volotinen wrote:
> Nowdays prism54 "fullmac" chipset is not produced anymore. So there is
> nowdays plenty of softmac chipset that currently don't work with linux.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Recommend me a good PCMCIA wireless network card

[Greg Bur]

On 7/24/05, Stroller <stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> On Jul 24, 2005, at 8:44 am, Greg Bur wrote:
> 

> The Macintosh-compatible 802.11g card uses the same Broadcom chipset as
> Apple's "Airport Extreme" products - I know, because I sold three of
> these cards to another Mac-reseller last week. I believe that there are
> no open-source drivers for this chipset, and have seen NDISwrapper
> referred to in many forums articles relating to it.

That answers my question of compatibility. 
 
> This is not a comment on the 802.11b 11MBPS card that your link points
> to - for all I know that may use the excellently-supported Prism
> chipset.

I'm pretty sure it uses a supported chipset but I can't help but
wonder if maybe Buffalo changed horses somewhere along the line and is
now using Broadcom chipsets in all of their PC Cards.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Recommend me a good PCMCIA wireless network card

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:00:27 +0100, Stroller wrote:

> The Macintosh-compatible 802.11g card uses the same Broadcom chipset as 
> Apple's "Airport Extreme" products - I know, because I sold three of 
> these cards to another Mac-reseller last week. I believe that there are 
> no open-source drivers for this chipset, and have seen NDISwrapper 
> referred to in many forums articles relating to it.

The driver for the Broadcom chip in the Airport Extreme card is indeed
closed source. You can use it with ndiswrapper on x86, but not in an
Apple laptop.

> This is not a comment on the 802.11b 11MBPS card that your link points 
> to - for all I know that may use the excellently-supported Prism 
> chipset.

The Airport card uses a different chipset from the Airport extreme, one
for which an open source driver is available.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Recommend me a good PCMCIA wireless network card

[Will Salt]

On 24/07/05 18:06:51, Stroller wrote:
> 
> On Jul 24, 2005, at 1:49 am, Ian K wrote:
>> 
>> I have an older laptop that I want to add to my network,
>> (its a 802.11B one) and I was wondering what brands/models
>> would work the best under Linux. Im fairly flexible, and would
>> really not like to tinker with too many drivers. Any good ideas?
> 
> Currently available are cards using the Ralink chipset, as this  
> manufacturer has open-sourced their own drivers and there is a strong  
> GPL project that will (I believe) eventually join the main kernel  
> tree.

I bought one of these by accident - I bought a PC with an Asus A8V  
motherboard without realising that it included on-board wireless with  
the RT2500 chipset.*  The main thing to beware of is that the RT2500  
driver doesn't work with SMP kernels; at first, before I realised this,  
I was using an SMP kernel even though I have a single-processor system,  
and found that the system would lock up within seconds of loading the  
RT2500 module.


* Asus made (make?) two motherboards with almost-identical part  
numbers, and almost identical specs, the main difference being the  
wireless chipset.  When I bought my PC, the spec didn't mention enough  
of the mb part number to tell which it was; but as wireless wasn't  
mentioned in the PC spec, and I was offered (and turned down) a  
wireless card as an optional extra, I assumed I'd be getting the  
cheaper non-wireless MB.  I was pleasantly surprised to find the more  
expensive one in the case when it arrived.


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