From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S97aG-00020U-83 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 04:19:08 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CE09CE09EE; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 04:18:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8CFE09EC for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 04:17:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from oxusltgw12.schlund.de (oxusltgw12.lxa.perfora.net [172.19.206.14]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Luwzx-1SHg5t1akr-010VzY; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 00:17:16 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 00:17:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Bruce Hill, Jr." To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <106009885.821398.1332044236376.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> In-Reply-To: References: <709768995.843751.1331957483491.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> <20120317115300.GB3615@acm.acm> <1446063568.820478.1332038934973.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ] Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 Importance: Medium X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v6.20.0-Rev36 X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:X6TU1LPUa3j4btOYX9/gLU3a5AsuqmBMwlmVpAgyOZo PFuReHbgt529xagxXpBolsSE3aauKB6sctCQAoulwCt47NOB61 MlOz+9QFMh9tZWnHahS+DGnNMWAiXPHb9DSVlP+gFnx2BAQPfC zM596To8zToqAq1HDbBpzGqFxpdAiGiLeYoKlP1stivSba8CFL rvE5Kzmw2UAz1L8fkWU7Fiz5C2EGMiQRWY856uR5RE8hCXXLsW 6IA07HLxKVbDGlPDUstywr4mbrieD2n6Q/MnCVnHYtElH97rQR /sBLQ1FrxVjRAQqFNHVBuLiZ1am1lny4VW3HSjghONpqoY5rMz haxzYAGiMs3HqkxEgrd6Xb9idU0Vox23L6d6KcoQYRfQcvmnNC NYlzEkruW9CczSl7vNb6c3vz/DyQkUsQfv8OGCob2E46QyxeX3 fSurs X-Archives-Salt: 929fe41d-4a49-47fb-a32a-0c23dd3d7638 X-Archives-Hash: 3d69ddda267a282d66fe133af39d33ec On March 17, 2012 at 10:57 PM "Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s" wrote: > On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. > wrote: > > > > > > > > On March 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > > >> On 17/03/12 13:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > >> > Hello, Nikos. > >> > > >> > On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 08:25:48AM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > >> > > >> >>> Happy Computer Users, systemd is on your horizon. > >> > > >> >> No, we don't. I hope systemd arrives soon. It's the best init system > > I > >> >> ever saw. > >> > > >> > What's so good about it? What will it do for me? > >> > > >> > I have this horrible sneaking suspicion that it will be more > > complicated > >> > than /sbin/init + OpenRC, just like udev + initramfs is more > > complicated > >> > than udev, and CUPS is more complicated than classical lpr. > >> > > >> > Why do you find it so good? > >> > >> No idea. I only posted this because the OP didn't say what's bad about > >> systemd :-) I really don't know I should care whether my system runs > >> OpenRC or systemd. > >> > >> > > > > > > I'm the OP, and often I don't know how to express myself. > > > > It is my understanding that systemd is going to force an initramfs on you > > even if you only have / and no other partitions. (Could it be initrd and > > not initramfs?) > > > > I'm all for automounting a device when it's plugged in, if that's what the > > user chooses. But for me, with my workstation, laptop, wife's PC and > > daughter's laptop -- we just don't need or care for it. Seems a shame to be > > using udev and then have to completely change your system when 181 comes > > out, or freeze it at . > > > > Therefore, we don't install anything to automount devices. We have lines > > such as these in fstab: > > > > UUID=3D6C5F-3742 /Libby-Vivitar vfat > > noauto,users,rw,gid=3D100,dmask=3D0002,fmask=3D0113 0 0 > > > > for those devices we own. When we get a new device, we add a new line. > > > > We don't use a DE either, just Fluxbox. > > > > The bottom line is that I don't like things being forced on me (hint, "get > > the vaseline, they're on the way!") And I don't like upstream forcing such > > nefarious changes on the distros. And for the Lennart fanboi, his coding is > > so questionable that "Lennartware" has become derogatory slang. (Of course, > > you already know that.) > > No need to get personal man, relax. I disagree ... there's every reason to get personal. Not getting personal doesn't assign the blame. Men stand up and take responsibility for their actions. > I'm getting my PhD in Computer Science I got my PhD in life before your parents met. So what? Just saying... > So again, please, [citation needed]. You still haven't provided any > reference to support your claim that Lennart's code (specifically > systemd's code) is "poorly" done. Mate, have you heard of the world wide web? The internet? > Regards. > -- > Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Seriously, mate ... are you his boyfriend, on his payroll, related, or what? You search LKML for yourself. I've been there since 2003 and have numerous memories. How about: http://www.change.org/petitions/lennart-poettering-stop-writing-useless-pro= grams-systemd-journal Sorry, mate ... many of us here are allergic to FUD <:-)} -- Happy Penguin Computers >`) 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com