From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QMItW-0006k9-4x for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 17 May 2011 11:56:58 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DBB01C026; Tue, 17 May 2011 11:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.154]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A1BA1C026 for ; Tue, 17 May 2011 11:55:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2011 11:55:16 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.228] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2011 11:55:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1037.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2011 11:55:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 760561.3373.bm@omp1037.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 94086 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2011 11:55:16 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1305633316; bh=ve74LuUllmN3FgeoreRE7BhRgWAtwKaZPn2sHmGDzfM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tMGxyxKwbnhFz9yYhhq0BdvhZ+zFx0WqAwoZ7sP2OQy4avvR6XXkg70K+kgepj0mQJ6DgdGoN2VD1HozxusvwZIMtoae6m2Ir2eU8aIczclYC0o5MQYlTkeFBefUUKQ0RH2VpF/XsspWLVH8sTvgndM0SPwg3z6qp/xot6od/dE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nfqNBIDVMHJ8+c1UjFIag5ksgL+uzwCl8WzBF6Enc+9xxNmkzAn3nO4m8gWUEiNPq4AqSRyheiy8Xd1suqTU2TryVIc61vp3qnCfidGqIBP3e8dkv23UAGONqhLru46/F+FyUSN9fqx+w7iGYwLqm+L0tdDXT0l2WZ29Rrlf0dI=; Message-ID: <102807.88919.qm@web39306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: xX7471wVM1mPTun5Sf2mGxs0lO95gfEgDLhZR4QkTBA0uoo 1HhQQp0taYPs7uHeVHEtT6Zct.AWbyw10d4kDGNAMEhco.eUIJ9aFcSjFBms gSTD1P9tGRcyZ11Xzb.8r1AH1_zF.0UfPo23sPNwigeVnB7EV4dJdn4b8QII KgVUfvmtNRcqYH.2CLFB9r_6dd08l6hhB9Kl.YTK2YaqAeNrXOfPqeVzQ3qd IMpOZ9vd0b.9l1y53KWCjiiONRLhz51GKEx0nxaCfKuZGqYJZWt_NtDmwJG8 ug1OacI8lcI6eyElYRHc7RHzy4KuDtZ0ttPdaLlq8Fg69prsEoAZE8yMAYSb cr7EhxDrEL03BDidBbFWH0.5zszJFhGrxaiQCeKO1i3Dqg_7tM3v45wk- Received: from [95.127.36.196] by web39306.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 May 2011 04:55:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/567 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.303096 References: <20110512152137.29e28325@digimed.co.uk> <4DCBF0D7.1080501@gmail.com> <201105122317.10448.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <4DCC54B5.6070905@gmail.com> <20110513093356.40888ecd@digimed.co.uk> <145988.78117.qm@web39310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20110514083936.735d2829@digimed.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 04:55:16 -0700 (PDT) From: BRM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone? To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20110514083936.735d2829@digimed.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: d54bf42874b644bbbd095052dc36d170 ----- Original Message ---- > From: Neil Bothwick > > Okay - that's not entirely KDE's problem; though it would have helped a > > long way with the KDE4 transition if they kept a few people working on > > those issues. > > How would you feel if you were a KDE dev told "we're all going to play > with the cool new toys now, but we want you to stay here and look > after the boring musty old stuff."? It would be bad enough if you were > being paid for it. Many software developers are exactly in that position. So what? it's what you do when you want to maintain something. That's the also very much the case with numerous kernel developers - they work to keep older versions going as Linus and team move to the next version. So yes, there are even volunteers that will do it. > > The big issue is that in moving to sole development of KDE4, distros > > started to drop KDE3 and replace it with KDE4. For example, Kubuntu > > 8.04 TLS dropped KDE3 and used KDE4 long before KDE4 was really user > > worthy - long before KDE was calling it user worthy. > > I think that says more about Ubuntu than KDE, after all ,they'd done a > similar thing with GNOME/Unity now. There were other distros too. Gentoo dropped KDE3 around 4.3. > > But KDEs actions > > of moving sole development to KDE4 prompted most distributions to do > > likewise. > > Many distros, especially the enterprise focussed ones like SUSE, kept 3.5 > around for quite a while. > > > Had they kept a small team working on at least the build issues until > > KDE4 reached 4.3 then the transition would have likely gone a lot > > smoother. > > True, but no one expected it to take that long to get ready, and > diverting resources to look after 3.5 would have meant it taking even > longer. > > > > So install a distro that still supports KDE3 if that's what you want > > > or need. KDE 3.5.10 is still there, it hasn't been withdrawn from the > > > shelves. You're hardly likely to use Gentoo for such users, so lack > > > of core support for 3.5 in Gentoo is not an issue either. > > > > > > > While I am not personally interested in it, please name one. > > > > Gentoo doesn't support KDE3 any more. You have to go to Trinity to get > > the newer, forked KDE3 series. Last I heard they were equivalent to a > > 3.5.12 or so; but I haven't seen anything on the Desktop list for a > > while about Trinity. > > > > Needless to say, you may be very hard pressed to find a modern, > > up-to-date distribution that offers KDE3 support. > > If it defaulted to KDE 3.5, it would be neither modern nor up to date. > But at the time of the transition, when KDE4 was still too flakey for > many, there were several - openSUSE for one. Difference between "modern, up-to-date and functional" versus "modern, up-to-date, and bleeding-edge". If you are aiming for bleeding-edge, then yes, moving to KDE4 at 4.0 would have been fine. But most don't use or want to use bleeding edge - they want functional. In both cases they still want modern and up-to-date. Ben