From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3DC41381F3 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 20:30:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5BE38E09EF; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 20:30:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail0131.smtp25.com (mail0131.smtp25.com [75.126.84.131]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39B2AE09B6 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 20:30:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (s-out-001.smtp25.com [67.228.91.90]) by d-out-001.smtp25.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id r6OKUguj005806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 16:30:43 -0400 Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.7/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r6OKUgWF010204 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 16:30:42 -0400 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd - are we forced to switch? In-reply-to: References: <1374476626.10089.0@numa-i.igpm.rwth-aachen.de> <51EE181D.5080505@gentoo.org> <15652.1374686892@ccs.covici.com> Comments: In-reply-to =?us-ascii?Q?=3D=3FUTF-8=3FB=3FQ2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWY?= =?us-ascii?Q?Wxkw6lz=3F=3D?= message dated "Wed, 24 Jul 2013 12:38:02 -0500." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3; GNU Emacs 23.4.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 16:30:42 -0400 Message-ID: <10203.1374697842@ccs.covici.com> From: covici@ccs.covici.com X-SpamH-OriginatingIP: 70.109.53.110 X-SpamH-Filter: d-out-001.smtp25.com-r6OKUguj005806 X-Archives-Salt: 1bc7aa3c-2a93-41b8-a2a5-b93cd714c5e6 X-Archives-Hash: a17021aef74e5b7f43ca7af29d158132 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM, wrote: > > Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Andr=C3=A1s Cs=C3=A1nyi wrote: > >> > On 23 July 2013 08:54, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > >> >> On 23/07/13 08:43, Samuli Suominen wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> On 23/07/13 00:46, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> This would be a lot less of an issue if someone just wrote a logi= nd > >> >>>> ebuild (wink wink) that provides consolekit like it was originally > >> >>>> intended. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> not possible, logind since systemd >=3D 205 requires systemd and w= on't > >> >>> work on openrc, upstart, and such > >> >>> as in, the idea of using logind outside of systemd is a dead end > >> >>> > >> >>> so keeping ConsoleKit in portage for long as it works for long as = we > >> >>> need openrc for Linux based systems > >> >>> and when it no longer works, the contingency plan is to ship vendor > >> >>> based polkit files that possibly either restore 'plugdev' group or > >> >>> provide similar groups to ArchLinux like 'network', 'storage', 'po= wer' > >> >>> to split up the old 'plugdev' > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Wouldn't it be better to switch to systemd instead? > >> > > >> > Is there a migration guide? According to google there is no any. (or= I > >> > haven't spend enough time to search) > >> > >> You have the wiki: > >> > >> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Systemd > >> > >> I believe it covers the most important aspects of the migration. Also, > >> it is so much easier now; we even have a stable version on systemd in > >> the tree. > > > > Couldn't emerge systemd its blocked by udev -- did a google search, but > > found some very confusing posts to do with static-libs. >=20 > systemd *is* udev; they are the same package. Uninstall the Gentoo > packaging of udev (which basically strips systemd), install systemd, > and it includes the official udev. ahhh! I see and it looks like I still don't have to use it as my init till I figure all of it out, so that will at least be a good thing. --=20 Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com