From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F111381F3 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 22:45:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AB804E0A6E; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 22:45:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from whitebox.drakonix.fr (85-170-203-218.rev.numericable.fr [85.170.203.218]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6D8E09A9 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 22:45:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (whitebox.drakonix.fr [127.0.0.1]) by whitebox.drakonix.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29884642 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 00:45:05 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at drakonix.fr Received: from whitebox.drakonix.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (whitebox.drakonix.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7xKVMbCIf9tQ for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 00:45:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail.drakonix.fr (whitebox.drakonix.fr [127.0.0.1]) by whitebox.drakonix.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9EA7463F for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 00:45:04 +0200 (CEST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 23:45:04 +0100 From: FredL To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script In-Reply-To: <51EDAD79.1060802@gmail.com> References: <81cd8b64fd20f43855a535a449411a58@drakonix.fr> <51EDA7DB.90900@gmail.com> <9cb6276b80bd37b858536f6820a797c3@drakonix.fr> <51EDAD79.1060802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0e65969e5c3c43ccae24491a194a4031@drakonix.fr> X-Sender: raptor@drakonix.fr User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.9.0 X-Archives-Salt: e3de66c7-363f-4664-9933-46f164f471fe X-Archives-Hash: 37863960f17dd4d60f3aaac814179b98 Le 2013/07/22 23:08, Alan McKinnon a écrit : > On 23/07/2013 00:02, FredL wrote: > Le 2013/07/22 22:44, Alan McKinnon a écrit : > On 22/07/2013 23:35, FredL wrote: > > Do you perhaps have NetworkManager or wicd installed? > > > no, none of them, it is a very basic install, with only the minimum > packages installed . I have checked at the init script and find a line > in the depend section saying : > > after lo lo0 dbus > > but dbus is not yet installed, can this be the cause of my problem? > > so I have just installed dbus and add it to default runlevel and my > net.* script are loaded correctly setting my static config, so every > thing is fine now. > > But why do we need dbus in a very minimalistic system? I was thinking > that it would be helpful in a full desktop environnement for > automagically mounting device and things like that... > > > > dbus is NOT a desktop daemon. This is very important, and that single > misunderstanding is probably behind all the fud you read about it. > > dbus implements a message bus - an amazingly useful thing to have. > > Why do you need or want a message bus? > > You might as well ask why do you need or want any other form of IPC you > already have, as that is what dbus is. It's a very small, light daemon, > can run system-wide or per-session and has the potential to many of the > IPC implementations you already have. Those are the ones that don't > happen to show up in ps so you hear very little whinging about them. > > That desktop systems are the main user of dbus at this point in time > doesn't change one bit what dbus is designed to do and it's usefulness. > > ok, thanks for your explanation and your help, my last fresh install > was > a very long time ago and I can't remember having to install dbus before > having my net script working, but a lot of things have changed since > this last install and that is probably what I miss in this fresh > install > process > > I wonder why you didn;t have dbus installed. You said you copied the > new > install over from an old one, right? > > So emerge world should have pulled in everything you need. > > What's different between that new install and the old one? I just use my current gentoo system for building a new one from scratch, so I only use my current system as it was only a livecd. I won't use my current world file or anything else coming from my current system (except things like hostname, hosts, or kernel config). In fact I'm building a little script for deploying a very basic gentoo system without typing the full list of commands listed in the installation documentation. Just a hobby for lazy guy ;) Another reason for this fresh install is that I plan to write a full doc for describing the installation process for building a cluster hosting my own services (ftp, web, mail, etc...) in a para virtualised environnement (xen) . So I don't want to have any rubish coming from the desktop I currently used, and want to keep things as clean as possible.