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From: Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead?
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 12:29:40 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0d270fdf-1de2-03b4-1f5a-702450975561@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b8a13138-aa97-858a-f0dc-91a378e86a2f@gentoo.org>

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Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 4/22/20 11:22 AM, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 11:01 PM, Consus <consus@ftml.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, mgorny likes to do some provocative stuff like forking Portage.
>> patching P*****E is heretic, and forking it is
>> outright blasphemous.
>>
> For everyone complaining about how long emerge @world takes, and about
> the incomprehensible error messages -- this fork was a step towards
> fixing that. Portage does some slow, unpredictable, undocumented magic
> when resolving dependencies that it never should have done in the first
> place. Developers using portage then make commits that appear to work
> with portage, but won't work in any other PMS-compliant package manager,
> and often don't work in portage itself when given slightly different
> command-line options.
>
> Portage was forked because the current maintainers insist on leaving it
> broken to "avoid the phone calls." There are still problems, but this
> way people don't realize they're portage's fault.
>
>


Some may recall my thread about emerge only using one core when doing
it's build list.  As was discussed in that thread, it would be really
difficult to build that list in pretty much any language because it just
isn't set up to do that, the tree itself it seems.  While I'd like
emerge to be able to use more than one core, it may be faster but it
might also fall more often to which would waste more time than using
multiple cores would save.  In other words, a lot of work with little or
no benefit.

Didn't Firefox do this a couple years ago?  Start basically from scratch
and start over with new code?  I seem to recall them doing that so it
could use more than one core and other things.  It lead to all the
add-ons being redone as well.  I recall a lot of fussing about that. 

While it would be nice, could it even be done?  Would it be easier to
just start over with a new tree, new emerge/portage commands and all? 
Bigger question, who's the person with idiot stamped on their forehead
that would be willing to do all that without knowing it would even
work?  ROFL 

These Gentoo dead threads get interesting pretty fast. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-21 16:58 [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead? Consus
2020-04-21 17:11 ` Ashley Dixon
2020-04-22 12:28   ` Alessandro Barbieri
2020-04-21 18:10 ` Rich Freeman
2020-04-21 18:33   ` Consus
2020-04-21 18:41     ` Rich Freeman
2020-04-21 18:48       ` Consus
2020-04-21 18:51     ` Ralph Seichter
2020-04-21 19:00       ` Consus
2020-04-22  0:09         ` Dale
2020-04-22  0:26           ` Rich Freeman
2020-04-22  1:49             ` Dale
2020-04-22  2:22               ` Rich Freeman
2020-04-22  2:55                 ` Dale
2020-04-22  7:41                   ` John Covici
2020-04-22  8:15                     ` Dale
2020-04-22 12:15                       ` John Covici
2020-04-22 12:53                         ` Dale
2020-04-22 13:51                           ` John Covici
2020-04-22 15:04                             ` Dale
2020-04-22 15:20                               ` John Covici
2020-04-22 15:26                                 ` Jack
2020-04-22 15:58                                   ` John Covici
2020-04-22 16:03                                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-22 17:14                                       ` Dale
2020-04-22 17:19                                       ` John Covici
2020-04-22 17:30                                         ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-23  0:15                                           ` John Covici
2020-04-23  1:57                                             ` Dale
2020-04-22  7:42                   ` Philip Webb
2020-04-23 19:55               ` Steven Lembark
2020-04-24  1:22                 ` Dale
2020-04-21 19:10     ` Neil Bothwick
2020-04-22  8:06       ` Consus
2020-04-23 19:46     ` Steven Lembark
2020-04-21 18:47 ` Peter Humphrey
2020-04-21 19:01   ` Consus
2020-04-21 20:27     ` Rich Freeman
2020-04-21 20:51       ` [gentoo-user] Gentoo Tinderboxes? Michael Jones
2020-04-21 22:01         ` Gregory Rudolph
2020-04-21 22:36           ` Michael Jones
2020-04-22  9:46             ` Peter Humphrey
2020-04-22 10:17               ` J. Roeleveld
2020-04-22 11:20                 ` Neil Bothwick
2020-04-24 22:22                   ` jdm
2020-04-26 15:25                     ` Viktar Patotski
2020-04-22 14:35               ` Michael Jones
     [not found]                 ` <20200423152135.77bb9a0c.lembark@wrkhors.com>
2020-04-23 20:57                   ` Michael Jones
2020-04-21 23:05         ` Consus
2020-04-23 20:18         ` Steven Lembark
2020-04-22 15:22     ` [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead? Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-04-22 15:35       ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-22 16:07         ` Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-04-22 16:13           ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-22 16:14           ` [OBORONA-SPAM] " lego12239
2020-04-22 16:16             ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-22 16:31               ` [OBORONA-SPAM] " lego12239
2020-04-22 16:32                 ` Michael Jones
2020-04-22 16:48                   ` [OBORONA-SPAM] " lego12239
2020-04-22 17:03                     ` Michael Jones
2020-04-24 12:35                   ` Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-04-24 12:45                     ` Rich Freeman
2020-04-24 16:07                       ` Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-04-24 17:54                     ` Michele Alzetta
2020-04-24 17:56                       ` Michele Alzetta
2020-04-24 18:16                         ` Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-04-22 16:17             ` Alessandro Barbieri
2020-04-22 16:24               ` Michael Jones
2020-04-22 16:28                 ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-22 16:31                   ` Michael Jones
2020-05-07  1:13                   ` Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-05-07  1:43                     ` Rich Freeman
2020-05-07  2:14                       ` Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-05-07  2:35                         ` Rich Freeman
2020-05-07  3:31                           ` Dale
2020-05-07  3:50                             ` Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-05-07  7:49                               ` Michael
2020-05-07  8:26                             ` [OBORONA-SPAM] " Neil Bothwick
2020-05-07 15:11                               ` Dale
2020-05-07 15:41                                 ` Michael
2020-05-07 18:13                                   ` Dale
2020-05-07  4:26                           ` [OBORONA-SPAM] " Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-04-22 16:26               ` [OBORONA-SPAM] " lego12239
2020-04-22 17:48                 ` Alessandro Barbieri
2020-04-22 18:08                   ` [OBORONA-SPAM] " lego12239
2020-04-22 18:19                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-22 18:24                       ` Michael Jones
2020-04-22 18:33                         ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-22 19:15                           ` Michael Jones
2020-04-22 19:19                             ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-22 19:22                               ` Michael Jones
2020-04-22 19:24                                 ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-23  8:45                                   ` [OBORONA-SPAM] " lego12239
2020-04-24 21:07                                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-24 22:30                                       ` lego12239
2020-04-23  8:31                                 ` [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] " lego12239
2020-04-23  8:52                               ` lego12239
2020-04-23  8:59                                 ` Consus
2020-04-23  9:17                                   ` lego12239
2020-04-23  9:02                                 ` [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] " Dale
2020-04-23  9:26                                   ` lego12239
2020-04-23  9:44                                     ` Dale
2020-04-23 10:34                                       ` lego12239
2020-04-23 10:55                                         ` Dale
2020-04-24 20:48                                       ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-23 15:20                                     ` J. Roeleveld
2020-04-23 15:37                                       ` lego12239
2020-04-23  8:27                           ` [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] " lego12239
2020-04-22 18:24                       ` Consus
2020-04-22 18:38                         ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-22 18:51                           ` Consus
2020-04-23  8:24                       ` [OBORONA-SPAM] " lego12239
2020-04-22 16:26               ` Jorge Almeida
2020-04-23 20:27             ` Steven Lembark
2020-04-24  9:22               ` [OBORONA-SPAM] " lego12239
2020-04-24 13:34                 ` [gentoo-user] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] " Grant Edwards
2020-04-24 18:05                   ` [gentoo-user] " lego12239
2020-04-24 18:46                     ` Grant Edwards
2020-04-24 21:19                       ` lego12239
2020-04-24 16:30                 ` [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [gentoo-user] " inasprecali
2020-04-24 17:37                   ` Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-04-24 17:46                     ` Robert Bridge
2020-04-24 18:08                   ` [OBORONA-SPAM] " lego12239
2020-04-24 17:23                     ` Ashley Dixon
2020-04-25 16:37               ` [OBORONA-SPAM] " Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-04-25 18:28                 ` Ashley Dixon
2020-04-27 11:31             ` Kent Fredric
2020-04-27 15:57               ` lego12239
2020-04-28 15:33                 ` Kent Fredric
2020-04-28 16:56                   ` lego12239
2020-04-22 17:29         ` Dale [this message]
2020-04-22 17:34           ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-22 17:52             ` Dale
2020-04-23 18:14             ` Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-04-23 18:26               ` Michael Jones
2020-04-23 21:03               ` Alec Ten Harmsel
2020-04-23 23:55                 ` Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-04-24 21:23               ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-26 14:23                 ` Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-04-26 15:05                   ` Michael Orlitzky
2020-04-23 20:10     ` Steven Lembark
2020-04-23 20:12       ` Consus
2020-04-22  8:58 ` Alexandru N. Barloiu
2020-04-22 14:29 ` Kent Fredric
2020-04-22 16:24 ` james
2020-04-25 18:04   ` Fernando Reyes
2020-04-25 18:30     ` Caveman Al Toraboran
2020-05-07  3:14 ` Pengcheng Xu
2020-05-07  3:39   ` Dale
2020-05-07  3:55     ` Pengcheng Xu
2020-05-07  5:23     ` Gerrit Kuehn
2020-05-07 14:21     ` hitachi303
2020-05-07 15:15       ` Dale
2020-05-07 15:19         ` Petr Vaněk
2020-05-07 15:23           ` Dale
2020-05-07 15:29             ` Petr Vaněk
2020-05-07 15:36               ` Dale
2020-05-07 15:04     ` james

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