From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 464911382C5 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 19:21:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CC65EE0974; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 19:21:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net (tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net [IPv6:2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe26:8849]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 616E8E0950 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 19:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from REDACTED (tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net [8.44.145.194]) (authenticated bits=0) by tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-3) with ESMTPSA id w23JLaCP027262 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 13:21:38 -0600 ARC-Filter: OpenARC Filter v0.1.0 tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net w23JLaCP027262 Authentication-Results: tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net; arc=none header.d=tnetconsulting.net ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=tnetconsulting.net; s=2015; t=1520104898; cv=none; b=kyozPtBB3q/A/+Y+wTbHN2UZWlakISCzVa/p6EWnvvK4ejZ44VJ44owqsJg++Wh677+nG0QaPJIMFhRTP4oaMbd0qkC75K6dQvv0FpLE9DX0SE6Yh/0Z6tqkO5NstYtTviyikU1oljK69g+tleDrp03krmOUXYX/kL+ueBXsu6U= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=tnetconsulting.net; s=2015; t=1520104898; c=relaxed/simple; bh=RT0mo7NkegD9A7h8JqaI60jdSmMIfCsT1QcPomccggM=; h=Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Language:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lhmCGyFKSxPvKCMNelixwRLB3g/vuYFcqOKvWiXXmRGtiK7EG4+TMJQOi2pLaT2e93d/V9qvR5gQVofzXOZLJvgbFHJm6QNLXJ5pYRvSwj2ZBHei9JDlLJh/PTFgkarj+PBAj9dt2FGfJLN3GImkMukNkoeZxkTf+tlrpz5dX6A= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net; none Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Bouncing Messages To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <20180301214540.71260d0c@x220.linux.gnu> <20180301234827.5a070e07@x220.linux.gnu> <20180301235317.olvztnl3i7eeuut2@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> <20180302042152.psssgej7ctok2go2@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> <20180302044541.3ghfup6pglgds3hd@31c0.net> <7b80215b-f60b-19c5-1aa4-b962300c59b9@gmail.com> <20180302110416.mc5ugtyp7vst2skg@31c0.net> <20180302163623.66my6gmoc4hhdb36@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> <5dc7f190-80c6-62e8-4bed-8737b974641f@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> <74067FDB-06E9-4A4A-8B84-C59B96876BD0@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <57ea2c6a-f667-24de-aec9-fb61bda263a8@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> From: Grant Taylor Organization: TNet Consulting Message-ID: <0a5c6358-bab0-2f7f-16a3-1fbdd7b81903@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 12:22:20 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <57ea2c6a-f667-24de-aec9-fb61bda263a8@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: cee31272-d9c8-4bc5-b5d5-a86f3f163d96 X-Archives-Hash: e83fddd6acf03f14fa423b74b48c253f On 03/03/2018 12:00 PM, Grant Taylor wrote: > * I do not consider messages from me re-sent by mailing lists to be > messages that I send.  I say this because my email infrastructure does > NOT connect to any of the mailing list subscribers receiving email > infrastructure.  IMHO the mailing list is sending a /new/ message to > those recipients.  Said message just happens to be strongly based on a > message that I sent. Further to this point… When Dale (et al) requested that messages (which were reported in their bounce notifications) be re-sent to them, those messages did NOT originate from my email infrastructure in any capacity. They are complete (re)generations by the mailing list manager. -- Grant. . . . unix || die P.S. If you can't tell, I have very strong opinions on things. I've recently been stating that ARP is a layer 3 protocol, just like IP. (They both have their own EtherType and ride on top of the L2 Ethernet Protocol.) The only difference is that ARP is unrouted where as IP is routed.