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To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <20200405171245.w7l2oyp63rt5i2qw@solfire> <20200405175425.fuytrt5nphj2335f@solfire> <20200405183937.y556nlxrlzn34ugf@solfire> From: Dale Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=rdalek1967@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFxc7MgBEAC+zrgEdqJJiDe/UDAB+ScmferXWfJTVjbVT2T4DQ7jiLrgP9aNUo1HioNF mrU3JPOCR32gvZyTbY1+niO5+VSo/+pSqQ785h6ZDj1klMkrg6tEzGnf2MNBpBj4houZwxQ+ WDKKTg2M9F+lv8wTIdR/JQn+hSviktLMtrghQlyLhpapsLXWLA6gMFebpQYwxUwemvan8ddX lQvJe9FGyFYvBi0dp1gl10F2O+DVZJxvX8xkX+yImVlhVJiC31gXHRcj+Qlo7gprlU7TIieF Uow6/ZvYKJ26pztVdFCg5w0rMJkF/x8Zd4A6wnuptiAPmWaQ1+YKgYDonbDUgwqFSx5/lN5z DGZ4LlioxeUTTPVvZsqBIeDz6jNFA583OYbo1/S26dqrvTFf2DKlsvoDpVfAhNlwJPjoixs0 X3FNqPv+M10n4kq5Iz7Q9E3O4s/nfFIYGocEslVka7zZPkXSaHbsn+KJlY8XV6qxtCEdh0/V XX1+1aU2J74M0JikWhpwxTZ1dP5aOyWSPPEgFFIRW6xwwC02SoRH9a7mggfGYp/YjPlONNaT SCL8sgRfvmq3D0XTbLyTjSbExxkfKDmbePQagawDE3TlI/oivHf1JaAcbwMb3LZuU4TGcOIl 5D+x7q0MUIeCop0ZFOwAnqW3AVVNvsBkv2KN+IHJryWAf0/iMQARAQABtBtEYWxlIDxyZGFs ZWsxOTY3QGdtYWlsLmNvbT6JAk4EEwEIADgWIQTZ7suruPBaS60bCYXvEM/XWu+ZnAUCXFzs yAIbIwULCQgHAgYVCgkICwIEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRDvEM/XWu+ZnN+7D/4/1dNG4aCz0+v+ 0dcjV5tY1feYEWCdHKyDzxWBxlCpd/0NPRQeNY4VMjbCl/sq7GkXi/c2SbfWDQ5BQRkkExG1 pSwuXSIehGok/4fpTi3HDAguRvzdCqlKPt7me05FyiC/WnpY5GOlJ3ruGw2qABv/RmV2q5b/ tkq7h1y1f16DTNr3/nsj8HzHcrHdXdL4kaYChSOe/dbQR9Stqak7eMyR+iwvrJMNF/CGl70P 2x5ybsXMDzRVOqNcpa5ZdhEMTVh6+vC1SOmm1BFMF8XCqBEvBbcHWDQmGYTdNCsS/ADm8CBl gvjJgLdIsAzoMu4WHQDFnzXAoArqFWgAf53isOS4AWrv29tF9b8Aa1vb7h5JEa+ArcMsA6Gl X38+GY6WXXaxKI9n3PTCWu9tPGnRh7mABjnwEosDDqmzw8aTAYECb3avDuGY2rmcjgh4H6RE w08d63j1T4d5J9wlm4TGtW/VHgbUFkATEdH3Acl/EjFiyqTiX7p8kU6Reu5enIkogA93xoQh Rmy7ZiST/5LN+ZkaOdyjIw0L+5KalslN9SKt809YxgJ6kPo657LNTFPiFvFA46/SEWcBYrzq Xk0wEW0gBRWf+BqN0qRhU0/EQ+QfRdLLFg2xtUePwlheYLXxfyDLrdCCOLWYpkzbjCZHLS4u 69smbvR9S9KBDNzJybxEWrkCDQRcXOzIARAA5IGRWTqaM44IJgBYghZg2fGj0Am7KWPhE7V7 T/EEe7vVSUEFqHtlHzI4ZK6Q0AZ9uAEjE8IJIQ7KoTjzNqAtabP0vp3s0szgtJlsZ+8vGKlQ my7fvzSrdoQL0Xn7CEwJYFXJ1EMUcYIQeoHG1cUAaXx73k9BFbjwjnUeMrqlV/ZovQlg7duW nESfQ7HZu5NrtYyY3jPMUouxiO9WQPh+IHxZbt1absF2VcvRAymD32RxGvMPbw6ChMRD/p9O 4PH7M5rXaxr78NXQX9E48vrI00f1cYb9NSN1HnSV8cW3jKObVjdBk6jPQwrMvdpgdQhUB9aZ HS/9mC9mmAgiXKyCpzXe7FPB6QznSfn4GIaC/luy1e6SLUkJhRK/niB+gq+Mfxg2zXNuDUTI cMGmpDCp3kgUoorkaltk8RW09io95BkXrGhcDNuSGZfAParBc7RXyYpbIcax8St7tEAd2oFh 4seYOPUlzuhGrPpqR/91wrFc4E1260GKauSr4UhMJv6tygBwyC0mmBMKi+ZXw6ZdZxA5fg7y 35P3TILjznCXXTDgRHq9A3NknKRMcgFacX6eIhANkMFo6oJVjuEgy1dvu1wFfDq7c+i8GAHu L4pYzyXYu6PporlNNU0xSwdVgzM/uuK0lt+UxCimgC+YR3IezgDcbfudb7h9dGIwL+bbPL0A EQEAAYkCNgQYAQgAIBYhBNnuy6u48FpLrRsJhe8Qz9da75mcBQJcXOzIAhsMAAoJEO8Qz9da 75mcXZ4P/1YXgWDZek7mhzrf6uaQzMxa92P89HeWz4PlgB/32symeEFAV04WazzBZffI8AYY rGA1Xmu/2VaB9+FOODyKhUWBc2UL0NRWBk6POwboyTdKlclmpixaN9zLcBt0YLejoRfN1B/5 aQf9/lUDZMnAiCyz0FgeqEMUshldmwWC35RqnjrCbbuk2vIqSH6BLDIXU6jQrLHE1DF0ai41 wLtQFAFXPhn45n0ZwYhVs4Z32z4sjXrIvgBgCaXa4HM+L1Klne0KiNM8ReFTTpTE0SgyDOSZ O3MOa2n77i6JbVtsbiFYnNeP3J9S/l3jevGpZEtNQOKrIm1MW8jGuHWtsDeMkT/mCcSodlkt PxIo+mMK9GpGvG2hW80LiohqNfUbNwAmr3blOYY4URPXPRnEnPs4pmTmL5owjw2dkg145i9I D42Tq+XZ6YtWt3SGzGbAYow6XwTwZ5NFAzV9UQuCGrDw4KWan6O6Z+VIYWsn0UMZlu1Obxna aocofkaUCbISK26kImuD1aA8juSHC18Qv1xUage6/UakbSxyDtACqt6hOVFKX3IA59ApdNRT +2x3iCmlvF9MJsGgFq6IpqL+Fk7iWV8Kjbz0wQOId6N9+JdQh3LrLaS7a1PowUm1z9DK5/O0 Yg+gpDnEOOFI7WM5u7a7FSM2Z/LXGVwel/0eWvLk9tN6 Message-ID: <08639206-b91c-b5d4-45e5-ce741339e8c9@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 14:19:09 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.9.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200405183937.y556nlxrlzn34ugf@solfire> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 37778060-8fd6-46a5-9856-307a29c52edc X-Archives-Hash: 0c63fe95d532cf1d33441ed0ebfe675b tuxic@posteo.de wrote: > On 04/05 01:08, Dale wrote: >> tuxic@posteo.de wrote: >>> On 04/05 10:33, Mark Knecht wrote: >>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 10:13 AM wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> currentlu I am preparing a new Gentoo Linux by compiling all >>>>> the application I had on my old system. >>>>> >>>>> Due to delivery problems (corona) my SSD was delivered today >>>>> (or yesterday...it depends...;) . >>>>> >>>>> When the whole compilation has finished and the system boots it >>>>> needs to be transfered to the SSD. >>>>> >>>>> The SSD has a heat spreader...so it gets hot, when used. >>>>> >>>>> Is it wise to copy the whole root system to the SSD in one go >>>>> in respect to a not so healthy heat increase? >>>>> >>>>> And if not...how can I copy the root system in portions >>>>> to the SSD and do not miss anything? >>>>> >>>>> Are there SDD-friendly and SSD-unfriendlu methods of copying >>>>> greater chunks of data to a SSD (rsync, tar-pipe, cp....)? >>>>> What is recommended here? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks a lot for any help for a SSD newbie in advance! >>>>> >>>>> Cheers! And stay heathy! >>>>> Meino >>>>> >>>> Just my 2 cents... >>>> >>>> If the SSD cannot survive having data copied to it there's something >>>> seriously wrong with the drive. I don't think you should be overly worried >>>> about this but I do understand it's new technology so you want to be >>>> careful. Bravo for that. >>>> >>>> Possibly to ease your concerns a little bit use smartctl -a /dev/SSD and >>>> get to know your drive that way. You can most likely watch the drive temp >>>> as recorded by the drive. >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> Mark >>> Hi Mark, >>> >>> Yes, if a SSD could not survive writes, something is wrong with the >>> SSD. But that was not my point. >>> Copying about 100GB (roughly guessed) data in one go to the SSD is a >>> use case, which is not common. And therefore possibly not taken into >>> account by the company, which create that SSD. >>> SSDs can create noticeable heat (mine has a minimalistic heat >>> spreader therefore. Faster SSDs come with a substancial heatspreader). >>> >>> Smartctl will report problems when they are already there. >>> I want to prevent problems beforehand. >>> >>> So -- does copying about 100 GB creates so much heat in the sillicone >>> of the SSD, that it ages more than preferred? >>> >>> And if so, how can I prevent it by appluing other techniques to copy >>> the data? >>> See additional questions in my initial posting for that. >>> >>> Thanks a lot for any helpful advice in advance! >>> Cheers! >>> Meino >>> >> If you are using rsync or cp -u you could start the copy then stop at it >> certain points to let the SSD cool, then start it again.  It will >> basically pick up where it left off.  You could monitor the temps while >> doing that.  I use smartctrl and then grep temp on the end so I only get >> the temp readings.  Something similar to this might help: >> >> >> smartctl -a /dev/sdd | grep Temp >> >> >> Another option, temporarily place a fan close to the drive to help cool >> it.  Once you get everything copied, remove the fan and carry on.  >> >> Dale >> >> :-)  :-)  >> > Hi Dale, > > I have become a fan of your idea with the fan... :) > > Yes, of course! Great...after uears of thinking on software > level such things, which provide a solution, which exists in > the phusical world does not pop up in my head... > > Will do that! :) > Cheers! > Meino > > > My Cooler Master HAF-932 has a large fan on the side.  However, when I remove the side, I have to unplug that fan.  Temps start rising even with the side completely off the thing.  Years ago I bought a little 9 or 10 inch fan that plugs into the wall.  Usually I use it to cool my upright freezer when I'm freezing fresh packed meat and the freezer has a load on it for hours at a time.  I sometimes buy 40 or 50 lbs of meat to freeze.  Anyway, when needed I use that fan to blow in place of the side fan.  It blows a larger volume of air, even on low, but it keeps the temps down to what they are with the side fan in place.  Sometimes the temp rises 10 or 15F without that fan, mostly things like the video card and such.  CPU stays pretty close to the same..  Amazing how that slow spinning side fan does that.  ;-) I usually place mine towards the front blowing towards the back.  That is sort of the natural flow for this case.  However, in your case, you want air blowing on the drive itself so I'd set it to blow across the drive either at a upward or downward angle.  I'm not sure if the heat is even or more on top or bottom.  Most likely, either will help.  Yea, I'm a country guy who has learned to do things with little to nothing.  I'm good at using something for something other than what it was intended for.  o_O Glad to help.  Sometimes the simple things even escape my notice. Dale :-)  :-)