From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S7qu8-0005GY-6m for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:18:27 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 231C3E0A6C; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E1CE09FF for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:17:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=FOSZNpUs c=1 sm=0 a=xvUQ5II7JMRnhGkbsebX1A==:17 a=txVIi73YdL4A:10 a=1NhqCOXGNUoA:10 a=6WvLBrxrMboA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Uxmo08gEHq4A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=7mOBRU54AAAA:8 a=QN-jTBhkAAAA:8 a=km_r4koH3VVx-zWt-1YA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=1Ey5B3EzntkA:10 a=xvUQ5II7JMRnhGkbsebX1A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 97.102.250.187 Received: from [97.102.250.187] ([97.102.250.187:44012] helo=basement.kutulu.org) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D5/0D-21438-A84C06F4; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:17:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (basement.kutulu.org [127.0.0.1]) by basement.kutulu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1237B7D801C for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:17:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at kutulu.org Received: from basement.kutulu.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (basement.kutulu.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5W3cWHNYYmDD for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MIKEDESKTOP (173.221.47.98.nw.nuvox.net [173.221.47.98]) by basement.kutulu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6541A7D801B for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:17:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mike Edenfield" To: References: <4F5AC0F6.6000804@gmail.com> <4F5B33CA.2020705@coolmail.se> <20120310153540.5194cd7c@digimed.co.uk> <4F5BBE7A.8040802@coolmail.se> <4F5C724C.1010708@coolmail.se> <292166434.606817.1331577566543.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> <4F5E853F.8060404@gmail.com> <017301cd00bd$24bce2f0$6e36a8d0$@kutulu.org> <20120313091356.5a947032@khamul.example.com> In-Reply-To: <20120313091356.5a947032@khamul.example.com> Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts. Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:17:12 -0400 Message-ID: <07ed01cd01fd$ea6c6b60$bf454220$@kutulu.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQCnkx23NGc6DAJaFQnNFtgLhMpKUgHpGpoHAVuFT4wBiR8+FAH5aa0dAY5DF70CNpOpwQFwPn9mAjUaCP8CzguULgIfRpDcAfOkIbMBzcz8rwHKrDNLActl5ueX4SJHsA== Content-Language: en-us X-Archives-Salt: 4545d01e-50e3-4bcd-b85b-d8ce2bf0094e X-Archives-Hash: a3b94a7589d0e09a10359f97940c6596 > From: Alan McKinnon [mailto:alan.mckinnon@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:14 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts. > > On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:54:58 +0700 > Pandu Poluan wrote: > > > > The idea of trying to launch udevd and initialize devices without > > > the software, installed in /usr, which is required by those devices > > > is a configuration that causes problems in many real-world, > > > practical situations. > > > > > > The requirement of having /usr on the same partition as / is also a > > > configuration that causes problems in many real-world, practical > > > situations. > > > > > > > I quite often read about this, and after some thinking, I have to > > ask: why? > > > > I've also thought about this and I also want to ask why? To be honest, I was simply taking for granted that all of the other people on this list who made a huge fuss about this were not lying. I, personally, have never had a use or need for a separate /usr; I know how big (approximately) /usr is going to get and I give it that much space. I guess I'm fortunate not to have ever managed a server where the hard drives were so tiny as to make that impractical. This whole udev/initrd/mdev/etc problem, for me, has been little more than an entertaining diversion, since I've been using a supported setup from the start. However, I'm confident that there are legitimate reasons why some sysadmins use certain configurations which require / and /usr to be different partitions; I'm less confident that initrd is not the real solution to their "problem" but that's not really my call to make. I'm *very* confident that a dismissal of this issue as "the ego if one or two guys who happen to write udev" is a blatant oversimplification that does not do justice to the complexities involved in making modern hardware work. --Mike