From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970
Return-Path: <gentoo-user+bounces-149876-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>
Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80])
by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C20F1381F3
for <garchives@archives.gentoo.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:59:29 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CA8B1E0CFF;
Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:59:21 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.164])
by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6CEE0CE6
for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:59:20 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from [212.54.42.134] (helo=smtp3.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net)
by smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71)
(envelope-from <joost@antarean.org>)
id 1VCUTv-0002Ve-GA
for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 14:59:19 +0200
Received: from 54698b76.cm-12-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([84.105.139.118] helo=data.antarean.org)
by smtp3.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71)
(envelope-from <joost@antarean.org>)
id 1VCUTu-0007Fb-PF
for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 14:59:19 +0200
Received: from www.antarean.org (net.lan.antarean.org [10.20.13.13])
by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882654C
for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 14:58:56 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from 83.80.30.114
(SquirrelMail authenticated user joost)
by www.antarean.org with HTTP;
Thu, 22 Aug 2013 14:58:46 +0200
Message-ID: <03efd8198f4b3bc5609a12541d6c85be.squirrel@www.antarean.org>
In-Reply-To: <20130822101729.08cd12c8@hactar.digimed.co.uk>
References: <1376906298.2367.3@numa-i.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
<CAJ0EP43bSj7TBPsSFZDx__Ykp-LZjL8GrdshGkYuk+dVuyhqZA@mail.gmail.com>
<1376981069.12493.3@numa-i.igpm.rwth-aachen.de>
<CADPrc83V4pfECT3i47f8Yk4CV-HJ3H43esTtMgf9jqbCfizE_w@mail.gmail.com>
<20130821003242.GB18970@waltdnes.org>
<CADPrc82weH06Lm88w885j1F7sCNkQV9d5fvKiz45mHTgPx=bcA@mail.gmail.com>
<521466E5.3080005@thegeezer.net> <5214D160.9090104@libertytrek.org>
<20130821161041.655a3858@hactar.digimed.co.uk>
<5214E1E1.7060706@libertytrek.org>
<20130821210235.59a96b5c@hactar.digimed.co.uk>
<41198559227f0a999078285147afa822.squirrel@www.antarean.org>
<20130822101729.08cd12c8@hactar.digimed.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 14:58:46 +0200
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and initramfs
From: "J. Roeleveld" <joost@antarean.org>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22
Precedence: bulk
List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org>
X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
Importance: Normal
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Ziggo-spambar: ---
X-Ziggo-spamscore: -3.7
X-Ziggo-spamreport: BAYES_00=-1.9,RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982,RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.8
X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No
X-Spam-Status: No
X-Spam-Flag: No
X-Archives-Salt: d6071fe4-c2c4-4f9e-b285-993f9bdd0fd1
X-Archives-Hash: a4a7e73db1b6cff8c25b09ecd980ebdb
On Thu, August 22, 2013 11:17, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 08:20:23 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>
>> No one has demonstrated that it can. An initramfs isn't magic, it
>> > caries out a couple of trivial tasks before switching to the real ro=
ot
>> > partition.
>>
>> The issue mentioned was an example. It was also:
>> 1) The only one I can remember from the last 4 or 5 years
>> 2) Easily avoided with a "rebuild initramfs" notice during upgrade
>
> 3) spurious as the poster then realised that this was a PEBKAC problem.
> So in 5 years you have seen one problem blamed on the initramfs, and al=
l
> but one of those reported problems were actually down the the initramfs=
.
Also the reason why I don't see a problem with the current methods for
initramfs usage.
>> I think part of the "problem" with it is that the documentation about =
it
>> isn't clear.
>
> No argument there.
>
>> There are tools (genkernel / dracut /..? ) that can
>> automate the generation of it. But it isn't clear what exactly it is
>> doing. If there would be a clear guide on how to do it manually, or a
>> tool that would assist in building the file(s) needed to have it build
>> into the kernel, then it might be more acceptable to some.
>
> There are two. A rather terse one in the kernel documentation, I posted
> the location earlier in the thread, and a page on the Wiki that describ=
es
> the process in more detail, including an example init script. I've just
> looked for it and it has expanded since I last need to look at it
>
> http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Early_Userspace_Mounting
>
> Or if you look at the official Gentoo documentation it links to the
> various resources.
>
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/initramfs-guide.xml
Last time I looked, the information was too minimal to create the config
needed for my setup. Genkernel was the simpler method.
The current version seems more complete. I will give it another go when I
find a spare moment.
--
Joost