Mark Knecht wrote:


On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 9:56 AM Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Mark, the command nmcli you listed isn't installed on this machine as it
> uses netplan.  It seems netplan is new so maybe it is a little buggy
> right now.  I read that if I have netplan, I shouldn't install other
> network managers, tools like ifconfig to see things is OK but don't use
> those to "manage" the network.  The use of two network managers can and
> likely will cause a clash.  That said, I do have ip and route
> installed.  Given it is working now, well, no need posting the working
> results.  ;-)  Since Michael mentioned that netplan is new, that
> explains why I wasn't getting many hits when searching.  It's new.
> There likely isn't many hits to find when searching, yet.
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netplan isn't new. It's been in Ubuntu since 16.04 LTS which was 
2015. What is new is making it the default way of handling 
networks. I don't find it buggy and I don't know why you cannot find
help in Google. I'm finding 100's of things to look at without going
to 'Ask Ubuntu' 

netplan status is nice because it shows who rendered a network
whether netplan did it or not.

It is possible to have multiple renderers on the machine but you 
do have to configure things so they don't collide. I do not 
recommend you do anything like that.

For my Kubuntu desktops I actually use System Settings to 
set fixed ip addresses but I do agree that cli configuration
for Ubuntu Server can be confusing. However, complaining 
about systemd in this day and age seems pointless. It's here
and it isn't going away.


When I was searching for the problem I was having, I think I only found one or two that mentioned netplan.  The rest were about other older tools that I didn't have installed.  The bad thing, without a network, I couldn't install anything.  Since I couldn't find info on what tools I did have, I asked here. 

I still recall when systemd first started.  There was and likely still is a lot of people who don't like, even if they're forced to use it.  I did read up on it some.  To me, it sound like a mess.  Having had to deal with it first hand, it's worse.  I'm not putting my true feelings on it on the internet.  Let's just say I don't like it.  It comes close to hal.  Older users of this list might remember that.  I got trees and ropes, at the time, I just needed the dev that created hal.  When that thing died, the only thing that could have made me happier, winning a massive lottery and/or someone finding a cure for cancer. 

While I'm sure systemd is here to stay, I still have options.  I'm seriously thinking of installing Gentoo on that thing.  At least then if it breaks, I can post a thread that isn't off topic. o_O  I also just put a pretty large CPU cooler on that thing.  Should compile without so much as a mild fever. 

I'm going to boot it up here shortly.  Just to see if the network works.  If not, I'm 100% sure Gentoo is coming quick.  All I have to do is swap to a different drive. 

Neil, I tired that command journalctl but not sure about the options.  It either returned a lot or nothing related.  I'll make note of the systemctl command.  If Ubuntu survives, I may need it one day.  ;-)  That's a big if tho. 

Thanks to all for the help. 

Dale

:-)  :-)