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[74.188.244.109]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 33sm1265757ott.0.2020.06.07.19.50.54 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 07 Jun 2020 19:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Hard drive screws To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <20672991.EfDdHjke4D@lenovo.localdomain> <868A775B-94D9-42D0-90E2-25ADD8D35E79@antarean.org> <9bfd16c5-b3c9-22b6-1f89-138afdaa30d0@youngman.org.uk> <115cad84-3112-8906-943a-19e53e0c6be4@gmail.com> <5bf3fa37-edd6-403b-bde0-c51f7fc0c0f8@verizon.net> From: Dale Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=rdalek1967@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFxc7MgBEAC+zrgEdqJJiDe/UDAB+ScmferXWfJTVjbVT2T4DQ7jiLrgP9aNUo1HioNF mrU3JPOCR32gvZyTbY1+niO5+VSo/+pSqQ785h6ZDj1klMkrg6tEzGnf2MNBpBj4houZwxQ+ WDKKTg2M9F+lv8wTIdR/JQn+hSviktLMtrghQlyLhpapsLXWLA6gMFebpQYwxUwemvan8ddX lQvJe9FGyFYvBi0dp1gl10F2O+DVZJxvX8xkX+yImVlhVJiC31gXHRcj+Qlo7gprlU7TIieF Uow6/ZvYKJ26pztVdFCg5w0rMJkF/x8Zd4A6wnuptiAPmWaQ1+YKgYDonbDUgwqFSx5/lN5z DGZ4LlioxeUTTPVvZsqBIeDz6jNFA583OYbo1/S26dqrvTFf2DKlsvoDpVfAhNlwJPjoixs0 X3FNqPv+M10n4kq5Iz7Q9E3O4s/nfFIYGocEslVka7zZPkXSaHbsn+KJlY8XV6qxtCEdh0/V XX1+1aU2J74M0JikWhpwxTZ1dP5aOyWSPPEgFFIRW6xwwC02SoRH9a7mggfGYp/YjPlONNaT SCL8sgRfvmq3D0XTbLyTjSbExxkfKDmbePQagawDE3TlI/oivHf1JaAcbwMb3LZuU4TGcOIl 5D+x7q0MUIeCop0ZFOwAnqW3AVVNvsBkv2KN+IHJryWAf0/iMQARAQABtBtEYWxlIDxyZGFs ZWsxOTY3QGdtYWlsLmNvbT6JAk4EEwEIADgWIQTZ7suruPBaS60bCYXvEM/XWu+ZnAUCXFzs yAIbIwULCQgHAgYVCgkICwIEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRDvEM/XWu+ZnN+7D/4/1dNG4aCz0+v+ 0dcjV5tY1feYEWCdHKyDzxWBxlCpd/0NPRQeNY4VMjbCl/sq7GkXi/c2SbfWDQ5BQRkkExG1 pSwuXSIehGok/4fpTi3HDAguRvzdCqlKPt7me05FyiC/WnpY5GOlJ3ruGw2qABv/RmV2q5b/ tkq7h1y1f16DTNr3/nsj8HzHcrHdXdL4kaYChSOe/dbQR9Stqak7eMyR+iwvrJMNF/CGl70P 2x5ybsXMDzRVOqNcpa5ZdhEMTVh6+vC1SOmm1BFMF8XCqBEvBbcHWDQmGYTdNCsS/ADm8CBl gvjJgLdIsAzoMu4WHQDFnzXAoArqFWgAf53isOS4AWrv29tF9b8Aa1vb7h5JEa+ArcMsA6Gl X38+GY6WXXaxKI9n3PTCWu9tPGnRh7mABjnwEosDDqmzw8aTAYECb3avDuGY2rmcjgh4H6RE w08d63j1T4d5J9wlm4TGtW/VHgbUFkATEdH3Acl/EjFiyqTiX7p8kU6Reu5enIkogA93xoQh Rmy7ZiST/5LN+ZkaOdyjIw0L+5KalslN9SKt809YxgJ6kPo657LNTFPiFvFA46/SEWcBYrzq Xk0wEW0gBRWf+BqN0qRhU0/EQ+QfRdLLFg2xtUePwlheYLXxfyDLrdCCOLWYpkzbjCZHLS4u 69smbvR9S9KBDNzJybxEWrkCDQRcXOzIARAA5IGRWTqaM44IJgBYghZg2fGj0Am7KWPhE7V7 T/EEe7vVSUEFqHtlHzI4ZK6Q0AZ9uAEjE8IJIQ7KoTjzNqAtabP0vp3s0szgtJlsZ+8vGKlQ my7fvzSrdoQL0Xn7CEwJYFXJ1EMUcYIQeoHG1cUAaXx73k9BFbjwjnUeMrqlV/ZovQlg7duW nESfQ7HZu5NrtYyY3jPMUouxiO9WQPh+IHxZbt1absF2VcvRAymD32RxGvMPbw6ChMRD/p9O 4PH7M5rXaxr78NXQX9E48vrI00f1cYb9NSN1HnSV8cW3jKObVjdBk6jPQwrMvdpgdQhUB9aZ HS/9mC9mmAgiXKyCpzXe7FPB6QznSfn4GIaC/luy1e6SLUkJhRK/niB+gq+Mfxg2zXNuDUTI cMGmpDCp3kgUoorkaltk8RW09io95BkXrGhcDNuSGZfAParBc7RXyYpbIcax8St7tEAd2oFh 4seYOPUlzuhGrPpqR/91wrFc4E1260GKauSr4UhMJv6tygBwyC0mmBMKi+ZXw6ZdZxA5fg7y 35P3TILjznCXXTDgRHq9A3NknKRMcgFacX6eIhANkMFo6oJVjuEgy1dvu1wFfDq7c+i8GAHu L4pYzyXYu6PporlNNU0xSwdVgzM/uuK0lt+UxCimgC+YR3IezgDcbfudb7h9dGIwL+bbPL0A EQEAAYkCNgQYAQgAIBYhBNnuy6u48FpLrRsJhe8Qz9da75mcBQJcXOzIAhsMAAoJEO8Qz9da 75mcXZ4P/1YXgWDZek7mhzrf6uaQzMxa92P89HeWz4PlgB/32symeEFAV04WazzBZffI8AYY rGA1Xmu/2VaB9+FOODyKhUWBc2UL0NRWBk6POwboyTdKlclmpixaN9zLcBt0YLejoRfN1B/5 aQf9/lUDZMnAiCyz0FgeqEMUshldmwWC35RqnjrCbbuk2vIqSH6BLDIXU6jQrLHE1DF0ai41 wLtQFAFXPhn45n0ZwYhVs4Z32z4sjXrIvgBgCaXa4HM+L1Klne0KiNM8ReFTTpTE0SgyDOSZ O3MOa2n77i6JbVtsbiFYnNeP3J9S/l3jevGpZEtNQOKrIm1MW8jGuHWtsDeMkT/mCcSodlkt PxIo+mMK9GpGvG2hW80LiohqNfUbNwAmr3blOYY4URPXPRnEnPs4pmTmL5owjw2dkg145i9I D42Tq+XZ6YtWt3SGzGbAYow6XwTwZ5NFAzV9UQuCGrDw4KWan6O6Z+VIYWsn0UMZlu1Obxna aocofkaUCbISK26kImuD1aA8juSHC18Qv1xUage6/UakbSxyDtACqt6hOVFKX3IA59ApdNRT +2x3iCmlvF9MJsGgFq6IpqL+Fk7iWV8Kjbz0wQOId6N9+JdQh3LrLaS7a1PowUm1z9DK5/O0 Yg+gpDnEOOFI7WM5u7a7FSM2Z/LXGVwel/0eWvLk9tN6 Message-ID: <027333f0-5eb1-3ad5-5ef5-c59ba0619c31@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 21:50:53 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5bf3fa37-edd6-403b-bde0-c51f7fc0c0f8@verizon.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E239D442960B238800CCD3AD" X-Archives-Salt: 83cd3b44-b433-4826-922d-54a541048c72 X-Archives-Hash: 2c41c14443d5b81b582faeec64bcfd9a This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E239D442960B238800CCD3AD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit james wrote: > On 6/7/20 5:24 PM, Dale wrote: >> antlists wrote: >>> On 07/06/2020 10:50, J. Roeleveld wrote: >>>> On 7 June 2020 09:41:16 CEST, antlists >>>> wrote: >>>>> On 06/06/2020 20:14, J. Roeleveld wrote: >>>>>> One of my old cases had plastic strips with little sticks on them >>>>> that would fit into the screwholes. Those strips would then slot into >>>>> the mounting points for the disks. >>>>>> >>>>>> No messing around with screws and really easy to swap drives. They >>>>> would be perfectly mounted as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Too bad I don't see the same with most other cases. >>>>> >>>>> I remember that. Compaqs with 75 MEGA Hz cpu's iirc. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Wol >>>> >>>> Not just Compaq. I think mine was a coolermaster case at the time. >>>> >>>> Toolless hotswap is a useful feature when regularly swapping drives. >>>> >>> These weren't hotswap (just ordinary IDE), but it's a damn sight >>> easier putting the rails on a drive on a desk, rather than putting >>> the screws in a drive in a case :-) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Wol >>> >>> >> >> >> My Cooler Master HAF-932 has no screws for drives either.� It has >> those plastic frames with these rubber and metal pins that take the >> place of screws.� Once the frame is inserted into the drive cage, >> those pins can't let go of the drive.� I might add, if the pins are >> inserted properly, the plastic frame won't go into the cage either. I >> like the design part but I hope the plastic part never breaks. They >> ain't cheap or easy to find at times. >> >> Oh, my mobo supports hot swap SATA so all are hot swappable too. I'm >> not sure if I have a IDE connector.� It might but I'm not sure. >> >> Dale >> >> :-)� :-) > > Dale, > > It's a bit late now, but here goes. When I spend money, I always > request the entire box of parts, for the mobo, drives, gpu cards, etc > etc. Most vendors will talk to direct, over email, chat etc. I then > have plastic organizer boxes with dozens or more small compartments > and lids to these boxes. So I save all sorts of screws, from 30 years > back to now, always. It's a bit of an extreme, but as an avid hardware > hacker, I use those collections, almost weekly to fix/enhance mounts, > cases, antennas and all sorts of custom rigs....... > > Also, you can find collections of such for less than $50 on the net. > Great to have, but I have over 1,000 sq. ft. or more of all sorts of > new and old hardware I've collected up over the decades. Skycraft in > Orlando is just one of many great places to purchase inexpensive > excess hardware. > > https://skycraftsurplus.com/ > > Also, local computer shops will sell you hordes of excess screws and > such; just talk to them. When you are spending money, it is real easy > to collect up excess screws and such from most vendors, for next to > nothing. > > But then, I hardware hack of hundreds/thousands of different hardware > systems. > > > hth, > James > > I have a small toolbox that I take if I go work on someone else's computer somewhere.  It has a small plastic compartment box in it along with a few other common things.  I have a lot of screws, bolts, nuts and washers that I've pulled from puters over the years.  Hard drives, floppys, cases, fans and no telling what else.  Thing is, when I was trying to install that drive, not one of the thousands of screws I have would fit.  I have them sorted somewhat by size and thread.  Still, none seemed to fit right.  The one thing I didn't want to do was mess up the threads.  Worse yet, the hard drive come lose and start flopping around in the enclosure doing who knows what damage wise.  That's not to include all the stuff I have in a 20x40' shop.  Then I have another 10x10' building that I keep quite a bit of electronic gear in.  Still, couldn't find a screw to fit. It would seem to me that there would be some sort of standard for this sort of thing.  They have a standard width and even length.  Heck, most are the same thickness as well.  Why not use the same type of screws??  lol  I guess I need to put the word out that I need newer junked puters to tear apart.  I may not be able to use the cases or anything but at least maybe I can get some hard drive screws out of it.  Be my luck, I'd get all the same brand and them be some weird size no one else uses.  :/ I'll check out that link tho.  I just may have to invest in larger bins.  Dale :-)  :-)  --------------E239D442960B238800CCD3AD Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
james wrote:
On 6/7/20 5:24 PM, Dale wrote:
antlists wrote:
On 07/06/2020 10:50, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On 7 June 2020 09:41:16 CEST, antlists <antlists@youngman.org.uk> wrote:
On 06/06/2020 20:14, J. Roeleveld wrote:
One of my old cases had plastic strips with little sticks on them
that would fit into the screwholes. Those strips would then slot into
the mounting points for the disks.

No messing around with screws and really easy to swap drives. They
would be perfectly mounted as well.

Too bad I don't see the same with most other cases.

I remember that. Compaqs with 75 MEGA Hz cpu's iirc.

Cheers,
Wol

Not just Compaq. I think mine was a coolermaster case at the time.

Toolless hotswap is a useful feature when regularly swapping drives.

These weren't hotswap (just ordinary IDE), but it's a damn sight easier putting the rails on a drive on a desk, rather than putting the screws in a drive in a case :-)

Cheers,
Wol




My Cooler Master HAF-932 has no screws for drives either.� It has those plastic frames with these rubber and metal pins that take the place of screws.� Once the frame is inserted into the drive cage, those pins can't let go of the drive.� I might add, if the pins are inserted properly, the plastic frame won't go into the cage either. I like the design part but I hope the plastic part never breaks. They ain't cheap or easy to find at times.

Oh, my mobo supports hot swap SATA so all are hot swappable too. I'm not sure if I have a IDE connector.� It might but I'm not sure.

Dale

:-)� :-)

Dale,

It's a bit late now, but here goes. When I spend money, I always request the entire box of parts, for the mobo, drives, gpu cards, etc etc. Most vendors will talk to direct, over email, chat etc. I then have plastic organizer boxes with dozens or more small compartments and lids to these boxes. So I save all sorts of screws, from 30 years back to now, always. It's a bit of an extreme, but as an avid hardware hacker, I use those collections, almost weekly to fix/enhance mounts, cases, antennas and all sorts of custom rigs.......

Also, you can find collections of such for less than $50 on the net. Great to have, but I have over 1,000 sq. ft. or more of all sorts of new and old hardware I've collected up over the decades. Skycraft in Orlando is just one of many great places to purchase inexpensive excess hardware.

https://skycraftsurplus.com/

Also, local computer shops will sell you hordes of excess screws and such; just talk to them. When you are spending money, it is real easy to collect up excess screws and such from most vendors, for next to nothing.

But then, I hardware hack of hundreds/thousands of different hardware systems.


hth,
James




I have a small toolbox that I take if I go work on someone else's computer somewhere.  It has a small plastic compartment box in it along with a few other common things.  I have a lot of screws, bolts, nuts and washers that I've pulled from puters over the years.  Hard drives, floppys, cases, fans and no telling what else.  Thing is, when I was trying to install that drive, not one of the thousands of screws I have would fit.  I have them sorted somewhat by size and thread.  Still, none seemed to fit right.  The one thing I didn't want to do was mess up the threads.  Worse yet, the hard drive come lose and start flopping around in the enclosure doing who knows what damage wise.  That's not to include all the stuff I have in a 20x40' shop.  Then I have another 10x10' building that I keep quite a bit of electronic gear in.  Still, couldn't find a screw to fit.

It would seem to me that there would be some sort of standard for this sort of thing.  They have a standard width and even length.  Heck, most are the same thickness as well.  Why not use the same type of screws??  lol 

I guess I need to put the word out that I need newer junked puters to tear apart.  I may not be able to use the cases or anything but at least maybe I can get some hard drive screws out of it.  Be my luck, I'd get all the same brand and them be some weird size no one else uses.  :/

I'll check out that link tho.  I just may have to invest in larger bins. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 
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