[gentoo-user] browser,news,mail

[gentoo-user] browser,news,mail

[John Dangler]

I've just completed setting up x server and gnome (why gnome - I'm a relic
of *nix and Motif and gnome sort of reminds me of the older look and feel).
gnome installs mozilla by default, which has browsing, news, and mail.  How
does this stack up against Firefox?  I've seen a lot of press about using
one or the other, but I'm trying to get a feel for why.  Is one better
suited to Gentoo than the other? 
(This particular box is used primarily for business apps and remote
webserver/site tweaking when needed).

Thanks for the input.

John D




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RE: [gentoo-user] browser,news,mail

[John Dangler]

I just found some docs on this that say "Large organizations that require an
integrated suite (past Netscape Communicator users) should consider moving
towards Mozilla 1.7. All others should consider upgrading to Firefox and
Thunderbird."

So, I guess the question becomes, can I unmerge Mozilla and emerge Firefox
and Thunderbird?  Or do they need to see Mozilla libs somewhere, since
they're offered by the same org?

Thanks for the input.

John D

-----Original Message-----
From: John Dangler [mailto:jdangler@atlantic.net] 
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 1:33 PM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: [gentoo-user] browser,news,mail

I've just completed setting up x server and gnome (why gnome - I'm a relic
of *nix and Motif and gnome sort of reminds me of the older look and feel).
gnome installs mozilla by default, which has browsing, news, and mail.  How
does this stack up against Firefox?  I've seen a lot of press about using
one or the other, but I'm trying to get a feel for why.  Is one better
suited to Gentoo than the other? 
(This particular box is used primarily for business apps and remote
webserver/site tweaking when needed).

Thanks for the input.

John D




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RE: [gentoo-user] browser,news,mail

[Brett I. Holcomb]

You can unmerge them.  I never had Mozilla on my system and Firefox and 
Thunderbird work well.  If you have some valuable emails in Mozilla's 
mailbox be sure you can access them later.

  On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, John 
Dangler wrote:

> I just found some docs on this that say "Large organizations that require an
> integrated suite (past Netscape Communicator users) should consider moving
> towards Mozilla 1.7. All others should consider upgrading to Firefox and
> Thunderbird."
>
> So, I guess the question becomes, can I unmerge Mozilla and emerge Firefox
> and Thunderbird?  Or do they need to see Mozilla libs somewhere, since
> they're offered by the same org?
>
> Thanks for the input.
>
> John D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Dangler [mailto:jdangler@atlantic.net]
> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 1:33 PM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: [gentoo-user] browser,news,mail
>
> I've just completed setting up x server and gnome (why gnome - I'm a relic
> of *nix and Motif and gnome sort of reminds me of the older look and feel).
> gnome installs mozilla by default, which has browsing, news, and mail.  How
> does this stack up against Firefox?  I've seen a lot of press about using
> one or the other, but I'm trying to get a feel for why.  Is one better
> suited to Gentoo than the other?
> (This particular box is used primarily for business apps and remote
> webserver/site tweaking when needed).
>
> Thanks for the input.
>
> John D
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] browser,news,mail

[Holly Bostick]

John Dangler schreef:
> I just found some docs on this that say "Large organizations that require an
> integrated suite (past Netscape Communicator users) should consider moving
> towards Mozilla 1.7. All others should consider upgrading to Firefox and
> Thunderbird."
> 
> So, I guess the question becomes, can I unmerge Mozilla and emerge Firefox
> and Thunderbird?  Or do they need to see Mozilla libs somewhere, since
> they're offered by the same org?
> 

The answer to your question is "yes and no".

Not because Firefox needs Mozilla to run (it doesn't), but because you
have emerged the gnome meta-package, of which the Mozilla Suite is a
(deep) dependency (because the full GNOME installation installs GNOME's
web browser, Epiphany, which directly depends on Mozilla).

So if you uninstall Mozilla now, you will 1) break Epiphany, and 2)
break the meta-package. GNOME will still work, except for Epiphany, but
Portage will at some point become aware that one of the dependencies for
one of your installed applications-- in this case, the gnome
meta-package-- has been uninstalled. Which is, of course, not cool as
far as Portage is concerned, so it will, of course, attempt to reinstall
Mozilla at every opportunity.

Which is kind of a PITA, if you went to all the trouble to uninstall it
in the first place.

The solution? Replace the 'gnome' metapackage with the 'gnome-light'
metapackage, which installs a full GNOME desktop, without the
applications that could be considered 'cruft', such as Mozilla,
sound-juicer, Totem, Evolution (and Evolution Data Server) and GStreamer.

How do you switch when GNOME is already installed?

1) emerge -C gnome.

This will *not* unmerge any applications, just the metapackage itself,
thereby orphaning the dependencies that you want to uninstall.

2) emerge -C the 'extra' programs you don't want (Mozilla, Epiphany,

Evo, EDS, Totem, Sound Juicer, whatever). Also make sure that your USE
flags conform to your choices (add -mozilla, and also -eds if you don't
want evolution-data-server to be re-emerged when you upgrade gnome-panel).

3) emerge gnome-light

This will not emerge anything new (unless you ripped out Nautilus or
something in your purge ;) ), but will 'adopt' all the orphaned GNOME
desktop dependencies that were orphaned by your unmerge of the gnome
meta-package, so when you next emerge -uDv world, if there are updates
to GNOME, they will be picked up (because they are dependencies of the
gnome-light package).

Hope this helps,
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RE: [gentoo-user] browser,news,mail

[John Dangler]

Holly~
I wish I had know this before emerging gnome... :(
What I may do (just because gnome is such a pig on compilation) is emerge
firefox and thunderbird, and leave it as-is.  I may as well explore the apps
that gnome has been so gracious to include, and then, when I've discovered
which are useful and which aren't, I can go back, unmerge gnome, and emerge
gnome-light and build in what I want to use...

The crux of the issue is that there are thousands of packages in portage
that we (as noob's) don't really know what they are (or what they mean,
since the names are a little cryptic at times), so we plow ahead with what
we "think" we want, only to discover scenarios just like the one I'm in now.
If it doesn't already exist, I'm thinking of trying to build a set of pages
that gives a friendlier look and feel to portage...

PACKAGE				STABLE	OTHER
Thunderbird Mail/News Client	1.0.6-r2	1.0.6-r3
							1.0.6-r4
							1.0.6-r5 (HARD
MASKED)

Selecting the package name would bring up a page that shows all of the
information...
<LONG DESCRIPTION>
<COMMENTS>
<USE FLAGS>
<DEPENDENCIES/REVERSE DEPENDENCIES>
<SCREENSHOTS>
<BUGS>
<CHANGELOG>
<STABLE> w/link
<OTHER>  w/link

I don't know how far this can go, since some of the packages may not be able
to be named so succinctly, but it may be worth a shot...

John D

-----Original Message-----
From: Holly Bostick [mailto:motub@planet.nl] 
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 2:45 PM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] browser,news,mail

John Dangler schreef:
> I just found some docs on this that say "Large organizations that require
an
> integrated suite (past Netscape Communicator users) should consider moving
> towards Mozilla 1.7. All others should consider upgrading to Firefox and
> Thunderbird."
> 
> So, I guess the question becomes, can I unmerge Mozilla and emerge Firefox
> and Thunderbird?  Or do they need to see Mozilla libs somewhere, since
> they're offered by the same org?
> 

The answer to your question is "yes and no".

Not because Firefox needs Mozilla to run (it doesn't), but because you
have emerged the gnome meta-package, of which the Mozilla Suite is a
(deep) dependency (because the full GNOME installation installs GNOME's
web browser, Epiphany, which directly depends on Mozilla).

So if you uninstall Mozilla now, you will 1) break Epiphany, and 2)
break the meta-package. GNOME will still work, except for Epiphany, but
Portage will at some point become aware that one of the dependencies for
one of your installed applications-- in this case, the gnome
meta-package-- has been uninstalled. Which is, of course, not cool as
far as Portage is concerned, so it will, of course, attempt to reinstall
Mozilla at every opportunity.

Which is kind of a PITA, if you went to all the trouble to uninstall it
in the first place.

The solution? Replace the 'gnome' metapackage with the 'gnome-light'
metapackage, which installs a full GNOME desktop, without the
applications that could be considered 'cruft', such as Mozilla,
sound-juicer, Totem, Evolution (and Evolution Data Server) and GStreamer.

How do you switch when GNOME is already installed?

1) emerge -C gnome.

This will *not* unmerge any applications, just the metapackage itself,
thereby orphaning the dependencies that you want to uninstall.

2) emerge -C the 'extra' programs you don't want (Mozilla, Epiphany,

Evo, EDS, Totem, Sound Juicer, whatever). Also make sure that your USE
flags conform to your choices (add -mozilla, and also -eds if you don't
want evolution-data-server to be re-emerged when you upgrade gnome-panel).

3) emerge gnome-light

This will not emerge anything new (unless you ripped out Nautilus or
something in your purge ;) ), but will 'adopt' all the orphaned GNOME
desktop dependencies that were orphaned by your unmerge of the gnome
meta-package, so when you next emerge -uDv world, if there are updates
to GNOME, they will be picked up (because they are dependencies of the
gnome-light package).

Hope this helps,
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RE: [gentoo-user] browser,news,mail

[John Dangler]

Ouch!
I just came across this in the release notes for enigmail...

"Enigmail needs to be compiled using the same environment as the Thunderbird
or Mozilla Suite you are about to install it on. This usually means that you
should either use the official binary builds of both (the Mozilla
application and Enigmail) - or only use packages provided by your
distribution - or build both manually. For example if you use a distribution
Thunderbird package with the official Enigmail build, you will encounter
problems! 
Enigmail is only tested against the milestone releases of Thunderbird,
Mozilla and Netscape. If you use a nightly, third-party or own build
Enigmail may not always work and may even crash the application!"

maybe sticking with Mozilla suite until this gets figured out isn't so
bad...

John D


-----Original Message-----
From: John Dangler [mailto:jdangler@atlantic.net] 
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 3:08 PM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] browser,news,mail

Holly~
I wish I had know this before emerging gnome... :(
What I may do (just because gnome is such a pig on compilation) is emerge
firefox and thunderbird, and leave it as-is.  I may as well explore the apps
that gnome has been so gracious to include, and then, when I've discovered
which are useful and which aren't, I can go back, unmerge gnome, and emerge
gnome-light and build in what I want to use...

The crux of the issue is that there are thousands of packages in portage
that we (as noob's) don't really know what they are (or what they mean,
since the names are a little cryptic at times), so we plow ahead with what
we "think" we want, only to discover scenarios just like the one I'm in now.
If it doesn't already exist, I'm thinking of trying to build a set of pages
that gives a friendlier look and feel to portage...

PACKAGE				STABLE	OTHER
Thunderbird Mail/News Client	1.0.6-r2	1.0.6-r3
							1.0.6-r4
							1.0.6-r5 (HARD
MASKED)

Selecting the package name would bring up a page that shows all of the
information...
<LONG DESCRIPTION>
<COMMENTS>
<USE FLAGS>
<DEPENDENCIES/REVERSE DEPENDENCIES>
<SCREENSHOTS>
<BUGS>
<CHANGELOG>
<STABLE> w/link
<OTHER>  w/link

I don't know how far this can go, since some of the packages may not be able
to be named so succinctly, but it may be worth a shot...

John D

-----Original Message-----
From: Holly Bostick [mailto:motub@planet.nl] 
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 2:45 PM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] browser,news,mail

John Dangler schreef:
> I just found some docs on this that say "Large organizations that require
an
> integrated suite (past Netscape Communicator users) should consider moving
> towards Mozilla 1.7. All others should consider upgrading to Firefox and
> Thunderbird."
> 
> So, I guess the question becomes, can I unmerge Mozilla and emerge Firefox
> and Thunderbird?  Or do they need to see Mozilla libs somewhere, since
> they're offered by the same org?
> 

The answer to your question is "yes and no".

Not because Firefox needs Mozilla to run (it doesn't), but because you
have emerged the gnome meta-package, of which the Mozilla Suite is a
(deep) dependency (because the full GNOME installation installs GNOME's
web browser, Epiphany, which directly depends on Mozilla).

So if you uninstall Mozilla now, you will 1) break Epiphany, and 2)
break the meta-package. GNOME will still work, except for Epiphany, but
Portage will at some point become aware that one of the dependencies for
one of your installed applications-- in this case, the gnome
meta-package-- has been uninstalled. Which is, of course, not cool as
far as Portage is concerned, so it will, of course, attempt to reinstall
Mozilla at every opportunity.

Which is kind of a PITA, if you went to all the trouble to uninstall it
in the first place.

The solution? Replace the 'gnome' metapackage with the 'gnome-light'
metapackage, which installs a full GNOME desktop, without the
applications that could be considered 'cruft', such as Mozilla,
sound-juicer, Totem, Evolution (and Evolution Data Server) and GStreamer.

How do you switch when GNOME is already installed?

1) emerge -C gnome.

This will *not* unmerge any applications, just the metapackage itself,
thereby orphaning the dependencies that you want to uninstall.

2) emerge -C the 'extra' programs you don't want (Mozilla, Epiphany,

Evo, EDS, Totem, Sound Juicer, whatever). Also make sure that your USE
flags conform to your choices (add -mozilla, and also -eds if you don't
want evolution-data-server to be re-emerged when you upgrade gnome-panel).

3) emerge gnome-light

This will not emerge anything new (unless you ripped out Nautilus or
something in your purge ;) ), but will 'adopt' all the orphaned GNOME
desktop dependencies that were orphaned by your unmerge of the gnome
meta-package, so when you next emerge -uDv world, if there are updates
to GNOME, they will be picked up (because they are dependencies of the
gnome-light package).

Hope this helps,
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RE: [gentoo-user] browser,news,mail

[John Dangler]

After some more reading, I decided to emerge Firefox and Thunderbird
anyway...
It installs fine, except it's really annoying that mousing over a menu
selection turns the colors white on white... (developer's joke, perhaps)
When I go to the extensions dialog, there aren't any.  So, I seect Check for
updates.  Receive a dialog box saying "Thunderbird is now checking for
available updates... this may take a few minutes...
Yeah - like 30 minutes and no updates.
So I select "Get More Extensions" (since the extension dialog box is empty,
I assume that it needs to go and 'find some'...
It launches Firefox to an empty page...

So, if my earlier reading is correct, Thunderbird is broke as far as
enigmail is concerned, unless you download source packages for Firefox,
Thunderbird, and enigmail...

Has anyone had luck getting these modules to run together on Gentoo?

Thanks for the input

John D

-----Original Message-----
From: John Dangler [mailto:jdangler@atlantic.net] 
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 4:01 PM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] browser,news,mail

Ouch!
I just came across this in the release notes for enigmail...

"Enigmail needs to be compiled using the same environment as the Thunderbird
or Mozilla Suite you are about to install it on. This usually means that you
should either use the official binary builds of both (the Mozilla
application and Enigmail) - or only use packages provided by your
distribution - or build both manually. For example if you use a distribution
Thunderbird package with the official Enigmail build, you will encounter
problems! 
Enigmail is only tested against the milestone releases of Thunderbird,
Mozilla and Netscape. If you use a nightly, third-party or own build
Enigmail may not always work and may even crash the application!"

maybe sticking with Mozilla suite until this gets figured out isn't so
bad...

John D


-----Original Message-----
From: John Dangler [mailto:jdangler@atlantic.net] 
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 3:08 PM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] browser,news,mail

Holly~
I wish I had know this before emerging gnome... :(
What I may do (just because gnome is such a pig on compilation) is emerge
firefox and thunderbird, and leave it as-is.  I may as well explore the apps
that gnome has been so gracious to include, and then, when I've discovered
which are useful and which aren't, I can go back, unmerge gnome, and emerge
gnome-light and build in what I want to use...

The crux of the issue is that there are thousands of packages in portage
that we (as noob's) don't really know what they are (or what they mean,
since the names are a little cryptic at times), so we plow ahead with what
we "think" we want, only to discover scenarios just like the one I'm in now.
If it doesn't already exist, I'm thinking of trying to build a set of pages
that gives a friendlier look and feel to portage...

PACKAGE				STABLE	OTHER
Thunderbird Mail/News Client	1.0.6-r2	1.0.6-r3
							1.0.6-r4
							1.0.6-r5 (HARD
MASKED)

Selecting the package name would bring up a page that shows all of the
information...
<LONG DESCRIPTION>
<COMMENTS>
<USE FLAGS>
<DEPENDENCIES/REVERSE DEPENDENCIES>
<SCREENSHOTS>
<BUGS>
<CHANGELOG>
<STABLE> w/link
<OTHER>  w/link

I don't know how far this can go, since some of the packages may not be able
to be named so succinctly, but it may be worth a shot...

John D

-----Original Message-----
From: Holly Bostick [mailto:motub@planet.nl] 
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 2:45 PM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] browser,news,mail

John Dangler schreef:
> I just found some docs on this that say "Large organizations that require
an
> integrated suite (past Netscape Communicator users) should consider moving
> towards Mozilla 1.7. All others should consider upgrading to Firefox and
> Thunderbird."
> 
> So, I guess the question becomes, can I unmerge Mozilla and emerge Firefox
> and Thunderbird?  Or do they need to see Mozilla libs somewhere, since
> they're offered by the same org?
> 

The answer to your question is "yes and no".

Not because Firefox needs Mozilla to run (it doesn't), but because you
have emerged the gnome meta-package, of which the Mozilla Suite is a
(deep) dependency (because the full GNOME installation installs GNOME's
web browser, Epiphany, which directly depends on Mozilla).

So if you uninstall Mozilla now, you will 1) break Epiphany, and 2)
break the meta-package. GNOME will still work, except for Epiphany, but
Portage will at some point become aware that one of the dependencies for
one of your installed applications-- in this case, the gnome
meta-package-- has been uninstalled. Which is, of course, not cool as
far as Portage is concerned, so it will, of course, attempt to reinstall
Mozilla at every opportunity.

Which is kind of a PITA, if you went to all the trouble to uninstall it
in the first place.

The solution? Replace the 'gnome' metapackage with the 'gnome-light'
metapackage, which installs a full GNOME desktop, without the
applications that could be considered 'cruft', such as Mozilla,
sound-juicer, Totem, Evolution (and Evolution Data Server) and GStreamer.

How do you switch when GNOME is already installed?

1) emerge -C gnome.

This will *not* unmerge any applications, just the metapackage itself,
thereby orphaning the dependencies that you want to uninstall.

2) emerge -C the 'extra' programs you don't want (Mozilla, Epiphany,

Evo, EDS, Totem, Sound Juicer, whatever). Also make sure that your USE
flags conform to your choices (add -mozilla, and also -eds if you don't
want evolution-data-server to be re-emerged when you upgrade gnome-panel).

3) emerge gnome-light

This will not emerge anything new (unless you ripped out Nautilus or
something in your purge ;) ), but will 'adopt' all the orphaned GNOME
desktop dependencies that were orphaned by your unmerge of the gnome
meta-package, so when you next emerge -uDv world, if there are updates
to GNOME, they will be picked up (because they are dependencies of the
gnome-light package).

Hope this helps,
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[Tero Grundström]

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:05:23 -0400
"John Dangler" <jdangler@atlantic.net> wrote:

> After some more reading, I decided to emerge Firefox and Thunderbird
> anyway...
> It installs fine, except it's really annoying that mousing over a menu
> selection turns the colors white on white... (developer's joke,
> perhaps)

This problem is is caused by a gtk+ theme engine that is not compatible
with Firefox in some way. My guess is that you're using
gtk-engines-gtkstep.

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[Brett I. Holcomb]

To me it depends on what you want/need/like.  I don't like Mozilla because 
it has everything in one package.  I like to be able to use Firefox as the 
browser and other programs for news and mail.

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, John 
Dangler wrote:

> I've just completed setting up x server and gnome (why gnome - I'm a relic
> of *nix and Motif and gnome sort of reminds me of the older look and feel).
> gnome installs mozilla by default, which has browsing, news, and mail.  How
> does this stack up against Firefox?  I've seen a lot of press about using
> one or the other, but I'm trying to get a feel for why.  Is one better
> suited to Gentoo than the other?
> (This particular box is used primarily for business apps and remote
> webserver/site tweaking when needed).
>
> Thanks for the input.
>
> John D
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: [gentoo-user] browser,news,mail

[John Dangler]

Brett~
Thanks for the reply.  I did find some additional information about these
that tells me I should be using Firefox and Thunderbird...
The USE flags on portage for thunderbird don't require gnupg, but I noticed
in Mozilla mail that in order to use encrypted mail, Mozilla mail wanted it.
Is there a gnupg USE flag that will emerge Thunderbird with this feature
built-in?

John D
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Brett I. Holcomb [mailto:brettholcomb@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 1:42 PM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] browser,news,mail

To me it depends on what you want/need/like.  I don't like Mozilla because 
it has everything in one package.  I like to be able to use Firefox as the 
browser and other programs for news and mail.

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, John 
Dangler wrote:

> I've just completed setting up x server and gnome (why gnome - I'm a relic
> of *nix and Motif and gnome sort of reminds me of the older look and
feel).
> gnome installs mozilla by default, which has browsing, news, and mail.
How
> does this stack up against Firefox?  I've seen a lot of press about using
> one or the other, but I'm trying to get a feel for why.  Is one better
> suited to Gentoo than the other?
> (This particular box is used primarily for business apps and remote
> webserver/site tweaking when needed).
>
> Thanks for the input.
>
> John D
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] browser,news,mail

[Myk Taylor]

default gnupg (Enigmail) integration with Thunderbird was removed 
recently because of trouble with the build.  from the ebuild:

     ewarn "Enigmail Support has been dropped since it doesn't work on 
fresh install."
     ewarn "The Gentoo Mozilla team is working on making enigmail its 
own build,"
     ewarn "sorry for the inconvenience.  For now, you can download 
enigmail from"
     ewarn "http://enigmail.mozdev.org"

--myk

John Dangler wrote:
> Brett~
> Thanks for the reply.  I did find some additional information about these
> that tells me I should be using Firefox and Thunderbird...
> The USE flags on portage for thunderbird don't require gnupg, but I noticed
> in Mozilla mail that in order to use encrypted mail, Mozilla mail wanted it.
> Is there a gnupg USE flag that will emerge Thunderbird with this feature
> built-in?
> 
> John D
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RE: [gentoo-user] browser,news,mail

[John Dangler]

Myk~
I just got that message... I went to enigmail.mozdev.org
Current version showing release is v0.92.0
There is an article on the right side that says 0.90.2 - Use this with
Thunderbird 1.0.2
The latest stable version of Thunderbird in portage is 1.0.5 ...

hmm...

So, which version should be used to install from mozdev?

John D

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From: Myk Taylor [mailto:myk@ucla.edu] 
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 3:14 PM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] browser,news,mail

default gnupg (Enigmail) integration with Thunderbird was removed 
recently because of trouble with the build.  from the ebuild:

     ewarn "Enigmail Support has been dropped since it doesn't work on 
fresh install."
     ewarn "The Gentoo Mozilla team is working on making enigmail its 
own build,"
     ewarn "sorry for the inconvenience.  For now, you can download 
enigmail from"
     ewarn "http://enigmail.mozdev.org"

--myk

John Dangler wrote:
> Brett~
> Thanks for the reply.  I did find some additional information about these
> that tells me I should be using Firefox and Thunderbird...
> The USE flags on portage for thunderbird don't require gnupg, but I
noticed
> in Mozilla mail that in order to use encrypted mail, Mozilla mail wanted
it.
> Is there a gnupg USE flag that will emerge Thunderbird with this feature
> built-in?
> 
> John D
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RE: [gentoo-user] browser,news,mail

[Brett I. Holcomb]

You're welcome.  I'm not that up on Tbird.  I used it briefly a long time 
ago on another Gentoo box but didn't like it so I went to Pine and I did 
not use encryption either.  The only other install has been on a windows 
box that I used when both my Gentoo boxes were dead.  When I get my main 
box back up I intend to use Tbird.

Run ufed as root and see what flags there are or check the gentoo site - 
they have a list.

Let us know how it goes.

  On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, John Dangler wrote:

> Brett~
> Thanks for the reply.  I did find some additional information about these
> that tells me I should be using Firefox and Thunderbird...
> The USE flags on portage for thunderbird don't require gnupg, but I noticed
> in Mozilla mail that in order to use encrypted mail, Mozilla mail wanted it.
> Is there a gnupg USE flag that will emerge Thunderbird with this feature
> built-in?
>
> John D
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brett I. Holcomb [mailto:brettholcomb@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 1:42 PM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] browser,news,mail
>
> To me it depends on what you want/need/like.  I don't like Mozilla because
> it has everything in one package.  I like to be able to use Firefox as the
> browser and other programs for news and mail.
>
> On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, John
> Dangler wrote:
>
>> I've just completed setting up x server and gnome (why gnome - I'm a relic
>> of *nix and Motif and gnome sort of reminds me of the older look and
> feel).
>> gnome installs mozilla by default, which has browsing, news, and mail.
> How
>> does this stack up against Firefox?  I've seen a lot of press about using
>> one or the other, but I'm trying to get a feel for why.  Is one better
>> suited to Gentoo than the other?
>> (This particular box is used primarily for business apps and remote
>> webserver/site tweaking when needed).
>>
>> Thanks for the input.
>>
>> John D
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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