From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DsQme-0007GG-Rh for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:51:13 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j6CJnSOZ003736; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:49:28 GMT Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6CJjlZs032445 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:45:48 GMT Received: from mail.joat.com ([71.114.133.177]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IJJ003O45LS0A20@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:46:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.joat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90475662A; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.joat.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (cornholio [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30327-10; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cdnebinge (jnet.state.pa.us [206.224.31.162]) by mail.joat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:47:14 -0400 From: "Dave Nebinger" Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] Re: rsync internal mirror configuration In-reply-to: To: Cc: Message-id: <006601c5871a$809c6600$5f01010a@jnetlab.lcl> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; h=Received:Received:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Importance:X-Virus-Scanned; b=N2TsJC2SZjplDAd8DSxHYEB6Jiu5WAxfTpywv0T+tfmKLoyKKa7fiL3E2gZ7/upTfndLKJ5WlXqhyciZRs69vzrmCUxvNnOvqy4o+NRLZIKlZ48mBZ3cA/3D+D9UUg4WYQ5U9OZSbuLZ8kOB+r45B7KubU5NDiNmTcg5DQtZtBE=; c=nofws; d=joat.com; q=dns; s=selector1 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.3.1 (20050509) at joat.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by robin.gentoo.org id j6CJjlZs032445 X-Archives-Salt: 3686cff8-d787-4545-b952-3fee83d0a1cc X-Archives-Hash: 673d8fc12d9c435621aa247a2848ea70 > Thanks for the scripts and help! That's what we're here for ;-) > When I roll out a new TCP/IP based data-logger > (hopefully this fall) it'll take sensor inputs and control a few outputs. > No humans will use the devices for anything other than interfacing > sensors and collecting data. As with most other embedded devices, wouldn't these remain fairly static at the OS level? I mean, would you really want to try to debug why (all of a sudden) the remote devices stopped functioning because of an errant package emerge? As for learning gentoo at a deeper level, we encourage that. I would suggest, only because it really made things clear for me, that you look at Linux from Scratch http://www.linuxfromscratch.org. It will make the entire process for how to custom build a linux box a lot clearer. > The experience I gain form helping kids/adults use Gentoo, will help me > manage thousands of dataloggers across public and private networks. > Besides if I screw it up, no big deal. They can always use a winblows > box until I get it fixed. Strict user control semantics will be > used to limit what they can screw up. >>From an administrative point of view, however, I think you'd be better served by having one system working, freeze it and then clone it to the other systems. Skip updates as much as possible. Basically you'd be taking the same route as other embedded linux products. My linksys routers, all linux based, have the ability to handle new firmware (linux distribution) but they do not auto-update themselves. > I'm also using jffnms to update and manage all sorts of routers and > industrial contols embedded devices. After some > time, I'm sure I'll roll my own solution, but for now, managing Gentoo > user systems and customizing JFFNMS for router and other snmp devices > is enough of to keep me busy. Exactly my point - why introduce even more administrative headaches to have thousands of gentoo systems automatically emerging packages on their own? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list