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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.14 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B2A25B14075EF7BFF16C249F" X-Archives-Salt: e38476b6-d981-4f5f-8211-69317618e89f X-Archives-Hash: fbab31930c1fc8436f9e487f13b1abbe This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B2A25B14075EF7BFF16C249F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 9:35 PM Dale > wrote: > > > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I got a old rig I can use.  I actually burned OpenNAS, TrueNAS or > > > FreeNAS on a USB stick.  I can't recall which one I put on it tho.  I > > > downloaded all three.  lol  If you know that one is better than the > > > others, feel free to share.  Also, I'd like to keep using LVM if I > > > can.  If nothing else, I already got the data on the drives and won't > > > have to reformat and copy again.  It took almost 100 hours to copy to > > > the new 16TB drive.  Using LVM would make that easier, and faster. > > > > > > > > I'll have to work with what I got for now but I really like the > > > Raspberry option for its size and good options to upgrade later.  I'll > > > just make do with something else until that option is doable.  Maybe > > > it won't be to long. > > > > > > > > Dale > > > > > > > > :-)  :-) > > > > > > TrueNAS Core. It's the free one. Works great. Very stable, but it is > > > BSD, not Linux so you'll be frustrated sometimes. None the less it > > > works very well. > > > > > > Well, I booted it and it is FreeNAS.  I got it on a USB stick tho. > > Well, I put the installer on one stick and then installed on a second > > stick.  Kinda odd but I get it.  I also noticed it is BSD based.  I > > played with BSD once before.  One thing I can say, it's secure.  Big > time. > > > > I'm not clear exactly but FreeNAS _BECAME_ TrueNAS Core and TrueNAS > (all 3 versions) are the ones being worked on. > > Installing from USB is pretty standard. Installing to a USB flash drive > is not unheard of in home NAS servers but be careful of machine > placement because people talk about USB sockets being unreliable > long term. I'm sure you'll figure it out, but make sure you're using > TrueNAS Core.  > > > I see it uses ZFS or something.  No mention of LVM.  I figured that.  Oh > > well. > > I see LVM as something that belongs on your machine, not your NAS > device. Your LVM volumes will just be directories on the NAS. You will > make your pools as large as you can afford and the NAS will just store > your data. You don't really need to worry about that much. My NAS > stores backups from 3 different machine, but all the backup data > is in a single ZFS RAID1 pool located in directories which macth the  > name of the machine that wrote them. >   > > > > If I can't hammer FreeNAS into shape, I'll try TrueNAS next.  If it > > works, that's fine too.  ;-) > > My input for the third time. Move to TrueNAS Core. That's the one > that is being developed and getting support. >   > Mark I think I'm going to switch.  I need to start over anyway.  I set up a user account and a large pool but while I can mount it, I can't put anything in it yet.  I get a permission error.  I likely missed a step or something.  Starting over will help correct that.  lol  By the way, when I got it installed, it did update to a newer version.  I didn't look to see if it was dated in any way but updates seem to be available for FreeNAS.  I dunno.  Thanks for the info. Dale :-)  :-)  --------------B2A25B14075EF7BFF16C249F Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Mark Knecht wrote:


On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 9:35 PM Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mark Knecht wrote:
> > <SNIP>
> > >
> > > I got a old rig I can use.  I actually burned OpenNAS, TrueNAS or
> > FreeNAS on a USB stick.  I can't recall which one I put on it tho.  I
> > downloaded all three.  lol  If you know that one is better than the
> > others, feel free to share.  Also, I'd like to keep using LVM if I
> > can.  If nothing else, I already got the data on the drives and won't
> > have to reformat and copy again.  It took almost 100 hours to copy to
> > the new 16TB drive.  Using LVM would make that easier, and faster.
> > >
> > > I'll have to work with what I got for now but I really like the
> > Raspberry option for its size and good options to upgrade later.  I'll
> > just make do with something else until that option is doable.  Maybe
> > it won't be to long.
> > >
> > > Dale
> > >
> > > :-)  :-)
> >
> > TrueNAS Core. It's the free one. Works great. Very stable, but it is
> > BSD, not Linux so you'll be frustrated sometimes. None the less it
> > works very well.
>
>
> Well, I booted it and it is FreeNAS.  I got it on a USB stick tho.
> Well, I put the installer on one stick and then installed on a second
> stick.  Kinda odd but I get it.  I also noticed it is BSD based.  I
> played with BSD once before.  One thing I can say, it's secure.  Big time.
>

I'm not clear exactly but FreeNAS _BECAME_ TrueNAS Core and TrueNAS
(all 3 versions) are the ones being worked on.

Installing from USB is pretty standard. Installing to a USB flash drive
is not unheard of in home NAS servers but be careful of machine
placement because people talk about USB sockets being unreliable
long term. I'm sure you'll figure it out, but make sure you're using
TrueNAS Core. 

> I see it uses ZFS or something.  No mention of LVM.  I figured that.  Oh
> well.

I see LVM as something that belongs on your machine, not your NAS
device. Your LVM volumes will just be directories on the NAS. You will
make your pools as large as you can afford and the NAS will just store
your data. You don't really need to worry about that much. My NAS
stores backups from 3 different machine, but all the backup data
is in a single ZFS RAID1 pool located in directories which macth the 
name of the machine that wrote them.
 
>
> If I can't hammer FreeNAS into shape, I'll try TrueNAS next.  If it
> works, that's fine too.  ;-)

My input for the third time. Move to TrueNAS Core. That's the one
that is being developed and getting support.
 
Mark


I think I'm going to switch.  I need to start over anyway.  I set up a user account and a large pool but while I can mount it, I can't put anything in it yet.  I get a permission error.  I likely missed a step or something.  Starting over will help correct that.  lol 

By the way, when I got it installed, it did update to a newer version.  I didn't look to see if it was dated in any way but updates seem to be available for FreeNAS.  I dunno. 

Thanks for the info.

Dale

:-)  :-) 
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