From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B362F138359 for ; Thu, 7 May 2020 04:26:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 25324E0999; Thu, 7 May 2020 04:26:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-40130.protonmail.ch (mail-40130.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99AC0E097A for ; Thu, 7 May 2020 04:26:22 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 07 May 2020 04:26:14 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail; t=1588825580; bh=XsoE643I7VY/oNxKEFTgjjRqeuhQvaK08kc7aDHRRZk=; h=Date:To:From:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=EnAOB+xujblC6XXVrp8/skCJT8v61rfhHLGSVIneC8wjXF9iI3HsNQNiXHofcFEJ7 Awnfo63WnXLVRXUii5N2Sq7q+ZSAfWuHdqI+OO3cUT5q84CoAXvXGYQorN0QX93tFx 9q4UfMAHsTvyPr+S1AZbF8eOWtjtxtceqeybTYFQ= To: "gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org" From: Caveman Al Toraboran Subject: Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead? Message-ID: <-TnWT7Z666TO_uFzYJ_JyBASIlU-SREQCdC_FdK1e6pGK_ePW_Jtp5U8Zd91qrtQGI1F78MsFeypZ1D4yYjcnJFFmfxE4Q-NhEGFYqeJKlQ=@protonmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20200421165803.GB187193@redacted> <20200422161455.GA23147@legohost> <18ef0b9b-97b8-54e2-4c0e-966ab2099c69@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mail.protonmail.ch X-Archives-Salt: 4b73f786-6747-43e8-8f22-20dd0598aac3 X-Archives-Hash: 3c9fa03c1a0e5b7a86e77e271cb03922 On Thursday, May 7, 2020 6:35 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 10:14 PM Caveman Al Toraboran > toraboracaveman@protonmail.com wrote: > > > are you referring to python's dependence on expat > > and glibc? > > More like bash's dependence. Well, and in the case of glibc just > about everything. When those break you're basically stuck recovering > from a rescue disk. or have sash somewhere around? > Fortunately we haven't had glibc/gcc break ABI in quite a while, and > preserved-rebuild covers a lot of the other issues. > > In any case, if you have a solution other than statically building > half the system I'm sure patches will be welcome. FWIW Gentoo is > about as hassle-free to use as it has ever been. It isn't debian > stable, and it is unlikely to ever be that way... why not? surely not as a 1st step, but it's not like 50% of the system apps are sacred or anything. imo right approach is this: 1. make portage statically linked. enjoy the removed python inconveniences. 2. if the bottleneck of inconvenience becomes bash's use glibc (a great milestone to celebrate btw), then we see how to fix that. 3. a component at a time, we eventually approach linux utopia. ``step (1) is not a utopia yet'' is no excuse to not start the journey of removing inconveniences.