[gentoo-trustees] Gentoo "G" and third-party logos

[gentoo-trustees] Gentoo "G" and third-party logos

[Sven Vermeulen]

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Hi all

Some (quite a few I can believe) communities want to sell Gentoo T-Shirts
for commercial purposes. The current guidelines we've drafted don't allow
the use of the "g" logo for commercial purposes unless it's not the primary
logo on the same side (i.e. there must be a larger logo on the t-shirt).

I've received the question regarding the use of a (smaller) g-logo _inside_
a larger logo. Communities (say "The Foo Gentoo Community") don't mind
creating their own logo but they always (or most of the time) want to use
the "G" logo inside.

What's our point in these cases? Do we allow the unmodified use of the G
logo within other logos for commercial purposes? Do we require certain
rules regarding "the other" logo (so that it's not just a circle around the
"g" logo) or do we rather not allow it at all?

Wkr,
      Sven Vermeulen

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Re: [gentoo-trustees] Gentoo "G" and third-party logos

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Saturday 23 October 2004 11:39, Sven Vermeulen wrote:
> What's our point in these cases? Do we allow the unmodified use of the G
> logo within other logos for commercial purposes? Do we require certain
> rules regarding "the other" logo (so that it's not just a circle around the
> "g" logo) or do we rather not allow it at all?

Well, for really commercial purposes I don't think we should allow it before 
having consulted with Daniel, who currently runs the official shop. For 
non-profits or user groups I don't see many problems, but I would like to be 
able to approve on a case by case basis (also to ensure the non-commmercial 
nature).

If the nature is semi-commercial I think we should also require a percentage 
of the price to flow back to the foundation (Yes, we need that bank account).

For the "other logo" option, it depends for me. If it is a group that is 
clearly only about gentoo and non-profit, I wouldn't mind for the G to be 
quite prominent (for example a G with around it something like "Gentoo User 
Group The Netherlands").

In any case I think it is best that we know the price and contents of every 
produced t-shirt (or other similar item).

Paul

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Paul de Vrieze
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Re: [gentoo-trustees] Gentoo "G" and third-party logos

[Sven Vermeulen]

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On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 04:01:47PM +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> Well, for really commercial purposes I don't think we should allow it before 
> having consulted with Daniel, who currently runs the official shop. For 
> non-profits or user groups I don't see many problems, but I would like to be 
> able to approve on a case by case basis (also to ensure the non-commmercial 
> nature).
> 
> If the nature is semi-commercial I think we should also require a percentage 
> of the price to flow back to the foundation (Yes, we need that bank account).

I agree wholeheartedly (sp?)

Wkr,
      Sven Vermeulen


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Re: [gentoo-trustees] Gentoo "G" and third-party logos

[Sven Vermeulen]

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On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 11:39:51AM +0200, Sven Vermeulen wrote:
> Some (quite a few I can believe) communities want to sell Gentoo T-Shirts
> for commercial purposes. The current guidelines we've drafted don't allow
> the use of the "g" logo for commercial purposes unless it's not the primary
> logo on the same side (i.e. there must be a larger logo on the t-shirt).
> 
> I've received the question regarding the use of a (smaller) g-logo _inside_
> a larger logo. Communities (say "The Foo Gentoo Community") don't mind
> creating their own logo but they always (or most of the time) want to use
> the "G" logo inside.
> 
> What's our point in these cases? Do we allow the unmodified use of the G
> logo within other logos for commercial purposes? Do we require certain
> rules regarding "the other" logo (so that it's not just a circle around the
> "g" logo) or do we rather not allow it at all?

Some trustees won't remember this e-mail since it was posted quite some time
ago. The topic however is valid again:

What about communities and user groups who want to identify themselves with
Gentoo? Can they use the Gentoo "g" logo in their own logo (with
modifications)?

The result back then was that it was allowed, yet this isn't reflected in the
current name/logo guidelines. I'd like to put this in the guidelines as
well, in the "Gentoo Community Projects" section, as an additional
paragraph:

"""
The Gentoo Foundation, Inc. grant Gentoo community sites, projects and
groups the right to use a clearly modified version of the Gentoo "g" logo as the
logo that uniquely identifies themselves from the other communities. 
"""

Without this, we can't allow this use and must react against any occurrence
(like gentoo.be, gentoofr.org, gentoo.de, gentoo.pl, ...). Mind you that
some of these sites use an unmodified version which we shouldn't allow at
all. Allowing modified logos should make a simple solution to all.

Wkr,
      Sven Vermeulen

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Re: [gentoo-trustees] Gentoo "G" and third-party logos

[Grant Goodyear]

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Sven Vermeulen wrote: [Sat Nov 05 2005, 03:02:42PM CST]
> """
> The Gentoo Foundation, Inc. grant Gentoo community sites, projects and
> groups the right to use a clearly modified version of the Gentoo "g" logo as the
> logo that uniquely identifies themselves from the other communities. 
> """

I like it.

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