[gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement

[gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement

[Grant Goodyear]

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Dear all,
  I'm attaching a tentative copyright transfer agreement.  Any comments
before we pass it along for review?

Best,
g2boojum
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Daniel Robbins, on behalf of Gentoo Technologies, Inc, hereby transfers, to
the extent that there is copyright to be transferred, the exclusive copyright
interest in all files to which Gentoo Technologies, Inc holds the copyright
listed in the attached "files.txt" file to the Gentoo Foundation, Inc.  (This
listing of files was obtained by running the command "for x in doc gentoo
gentoo-projects gentoo-src gentoo-x86; do cvs -d
g2boojum@cvs.gentoo.org:/var/cvsroot ex -D 2004/06/25 $x; done" to extract the
files that existed in the Gentoo Concurrent Versions System (CVS) repositories
on 25 June 2004.  This list is overcomplete; copyright of files which are not
held by Gentoo Technologies, Inc of course remain with the original copyright
holder.) Daniel Robbins also transfers copyright and trademark interest of
the "Gentoo" name, the Gentoo stylized "G"
(http://www.gentoo.org/images/gtop-www.jpg), the red Gentoo logo
(http://www.gentoo.org/images/gentoo-new.gif), and Knurt they flying saucer
(http://www.gentoo.org/images/gridtest.gif) to the Gentoo Foundation, Inc.  In
return, the Gentoo Foundation, Inc grants Daniel Robbins (not Gentoo
Technologies, Inc) a perpetual, royalty-free, non-transferrable license to use
all current and future Gentoo logos and marks, including registered
trademarks, for non-commercial purposes.


_______________      _____________
Daniel Robbins           Date



_______________      _____________
Grant Goodyear           Date
Secretary
Gentoo Foundation

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Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement

[Corey Shields]

"Knurt they flying saucer"  (typo?)

also, what about infrastructure systems previously owned by Gentoo
Technologies.  Those should be included somehow as well.

Thanks Grant!  Rock on!!

-C

Grant Goodyear wrote:

>Dear all,
>  I'm attaching a tentative copyright transfer agreement.  Any comments
>before we pass it along for review?
>
>Best,
>g2boojum
>  
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Daniel Robbins, on behalf of Gentoo Technologies, Inc, hereby transfers, to
>the extent that there is copyright to be transferred, the exclusive copyright
>interest in all files to which Gentoo Technologies, Inc holds the copyright
>listed in the attached "files.txt" file to the Gentoo Foundation, Inc.  (This
>listing of files was obtained by running the command "for x in doc gentoo
>gentoo-projects gentoo-src gentoo-x86; do cvs -d
>g2boojum@cvs.gentoo.org:/var/cvsroot ex -D 2004/06/25 $x; done" to extract the
>files that existed in the Gentoo Concurrent Versions System (CVS) repositories
>on 25 June 2004.  This list is overcomplete; copyright of files which are not
>held by Gentoo Technologies, Inc of course remain with the original copyright
>holder.) Daniel Robbins also transfers copyright and trademark interest of
>the "Gentoo" name, the Gentoo stylized "G"
>(http://www.gentoo.org/images/gtop-www.jpg), the red Gentoo logo
>(http://www.gentoo.org/images/gentoo-new.gif), and Knurt they flying saucer
>(http://www.gentoo.org/images/gridtest.gif) to the Gentoo Foundation, Inc.  In
>return, the Gentoo Foundation, Inc grants Daniel Robbins (not Gentoo
>Technologies, Inc) a perpetual, royalty-free, non-transferrable license to use
>all current and future Gentoo logos and marks, including registered
>trademarks, for non-commercial purposes.
>
>
>_______________      _____________
>Daniel Robbins           Date
>
>
>
>_______________      _____________
>Grant Goodyear           Date
>Secretary
>Gentoo Foundation
>


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Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement

[Grant Goodyear]

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Corey Shields wrote: [Tue Apr 12 2005, 12:07:19PM CDT]
> 
> "Knurt they flying saucer"  (typo?)

Fixed in my copy.  Thanks!

> also, what about infrastructure systems previously owned by Gentoo
> Technologies.  Those should be included somehow as well.

We'd need a list of exactly what equipment that is, and I suspect that
would have to wait until Kurt returned.  Can we leave it for a future
agreement?  I'd like to get the copyright stuff out the door as soon as
possible.

-g2boojum-
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Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Tuesday 12 April 2005 19:18, Grant Goodyear wrote:

> We'd need a list of exactly what equipment that is, and I suspect that
> would have to wait until Kurt returned.  Can we leave it for a future
> agreement?  I'd like to get the copyright stuff out the door as soon as
> possible.

Ownership transferrence is a lot easier than copyright. It's not easy to get 
into legal debates (except with Daniel) and can be done as easy as Daniel 
stating in an email that he gives it to us (at least what I believe, but 
IANAL).

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement

[Deedra Waters]

Grant, the equiptment must be included as well, since this doc will
transfer "everything"
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Grant Goodyear wrote:

> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:18:26 -0500
> From: Grant Goodyear <g2boojum@gentoo.org>
> Reply-To: gentoo-trustees@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-trustees@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement
>
> Corey Shields wrote: [Tue Apr 12 2005, 12:07:19PM CDT]
> >
> > "Knurt they flying saucer"  (typo?)
>
> Fixed in my copy.  Thanks!
>
> > also, what about infrastructure systems previously owned by Gentoo
> > Technologies.  Those should be included somehow as well.
>
> We'd need a list of exactly what equipment that is, and I suspect that
> would have to wait until Kurt returned.  Can we leave it for a future
> agreement?  I'd like to get the copyright stuff out the door as soon as
> possible.
>
> -g2boojum-
>

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Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement

[Grant Goodyear]

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Deedra Waters wrote: [Tue Apr 12 2005, 01:16:17PM CDT]
> Grant, the equiptment must be included as well, since this doc will
> transfer "everything"

Why do you say that?  I can't see where in the text I have either
explicitly or implicitly suggested that more than copyrights and
trademarks are transferred?  Or are you saying that we _should_ transfer
everything at one time?  If that's the case, is it something that we've
already discussed and that I missed?

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Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement

[Deedra Waters]

ok.... We're going to have a document that transfers "everything" from
daniel to us. that's one doc....
This is what [Redacted] and i had been working on, which is why I wanted
the list of "everything" that gentoo technologies is signing over to us.
I didn't even think about equipment in that list, but if there's infra
stuff that he owns, then that needs to be transfered from him to us as
well. On the other hand if he's already given us the equipment, then we
probably don't need to worry about it.



another doc is to write up a copyright assignment or what ever the heck
we decide on, and have that.
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Grant Goodyear wrote:

> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:34:44 -0500
> From: Grant Goodyear <g2boojum@gentoo.org>
> Reply-To: gentoo-trustees@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-trustees@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement
>
> Deedra Waters wrote: [Tue Apr 12 2005, 01:16:17PM CDT]
> > Grant, the equiptment must be included as well, since this doc will
> > transfer "everything"
>
> Why do you say that?  I can't see where in the text I have either
> explicitly or implicitly suggested that more than copyrights and
> trademarks are transferred?  Or are you saying that we _should_ transfer
> everything at one time?  If that's the case, is it something that we've
> already discussed and that I missed?
>
> -g2boojum-
>

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Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement

[Corey Shields]

Deedra Waters wrote:

>ok.... We're going to have a document that transfers "everything" from
>daniel to us. that's one doc....
>This is what [Redacted] and i had been working on, which is why I wanted
>the list of "everything" that gentoo technologies is signing over to us.
>I didn't even think about equipment in that list, but if there's infra
>stuff that he owns, then that needs to be transfered from him to us as
>well. On the other hand if he's already given us the equipment, then we
>probably don't need to worry about it.
>  
>

My concern is that we could get everything signed over and then realize
that the code still lives on the Gentoo Technologies cvs server, and
that be a legal loophole.

>another doc is to write up a copyright assignment or what ever the heck
>we decide on, and have that.
>  
>
I'm with Grant in that I don't think this will be finalized anytime in
the near future.

Lately my opinion is leaning to the "screw it!" side as most developers
don't see the value in it and want to fight the idea anyway.  So if a
misuse of Gentoo ever occurred, just leave it up to them to defend their
copyrights.  It won't be possible, but I figure the risk of something
like PearPC-CherryOS ever happening and not being able to solve it is
worth it compared to trying to convince the developers that what we are
doing is good for them.

-C

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Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Tuesday 12 April 2005 21:03, Deedra Waters wrote:
> ok.... We're going to have a document that transfers "everything" from
> daniel to us. that's one doc....
> This is what [Redacted] and i had been working on, which is why I wanted
> the list of "everything" that gentoo technologies is signing over to us.
> I didn't even think about equipment in that list, but if there's infra
> stuff that he owns, then that needs to be transfered from him to us as
> well. On the other hand if he's already given us the equipment, then we
> probably don't need to worry about it.

Actually he has given it in some way, but I'd still like it in some kind of 
writing (digitally signed is ok too) to prevent any future disputes.

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement

[Deedra Waters]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Corey Shields wrote:

> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:12:37 -0700
> From: Corey Shields <cshields@gentoo.org>
> Reply-To: gentoo-trustees@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-trustees@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement
>
> Deedra Waters wrote:
>
> >ok.... We're going to have a document that transfers "everything" from
> >daniel to us. that's one doc....
> >This is what [Redacted] and i had been working on, which is why I wanted
> >the list of "everything" that gentoo technologies is signing over to us.
> >I didn't even think about equipment in that list, but if there's infra
> >stuff that he owns, then that needs to be transfered from him to us as
> >well. On the other hand if he's already given us the equipment, then we
> >probably don't need to worry about it.
> >
> >
>
> My concern is that we could get everything signed over and then realize
> that the code still lives on the Gentoo Technologies cvs server, and
> that be a legal loophole.

So, let's get a list of servers or what ever included in the list of
stuff that needs to be transfered. What all boxes did/is transfered/has
been given to us?

>
> >another doc is to write up a copyright assignment or what ever the heck
> >we decide on, and have that.
> >
> >
> I'm with Grant in that I don't think this will be finalized anytime in
> the near future.
>
> Lately my opinion is leaning to the "screw it!" side as most developers
> don't see the value in it and want to fight the idea anyway.  So if a
> misuse of Gentoo ever occurred, just leave it up to them to defend their
> copyrights.  It won't be possible, but I figure the risk of something
> like PearPC-CherryOS ever happening and not being able to solve it is
> worth it compared to trying to convince the developers that what we are
> doing is good for them.


So, what do the rest of you want?We need to come up with a decision of
what we want first before we can even get down to deciding in how we
want to do the copyright doc, if we want one.
So, do you guys want one or not? Do you want gentoo's software to be
protected or not?


>
> -C
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement

[Daniel Robbins]

Hi,

All the equipment and hardware I've sent out to you is yours. It's not
managed by me, and it's been donated to the Gentoo Foundation. Feel
free to write me up a receipt at your earliest convenience :)

Regards,

Daniel Robbins

On Apr 12, 2005 1:12 PM, Paul de Vrieze <pauldv@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Tuesday 12 April 2005 21:03, Deedra Waters wrote:
> > ok.... We're going to have a document that transfers "everything" from
> > daniel to us. that's one doc....
> > This is what [Redacted] and i had been working on, which is why I wanted
> > the list of "everything" that gentoo technologies is signing over to us.
> > I didn't even think about equipment in that list, but if there's infra
> > stuff that he owns, then that needs to be transfered from him to us as
> > well. On the other hand if he's already given us the equipment, then we
> > probably don't need to worry about it.
> 
> Actually he has given it in some way, but I'd still like it in some kind of
> writing (digitally signed is ok too) to prevent any future disputes.
> 
> Paul
> 
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Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement

[Corey Shields]

Deedra Waters wrote:

>So, let's get a list of servers or what ever included in the list of
>stuff that needs to be transfered. What all boxes did/is transfered/has
>been given to us?
>  
>
I'm working on that..  If I don't have a good answer by the end of the
day (and if -core thread don't drive me to an asylum) then I'll try
giving Kurt a call and see if he has his cellie phone with him.

>So, what do the rest of you want?We need to come up with a decision of
>what we want first before we can even get down to deciding in how we
>want to do the copyright doc, if we want one.
>So, do you guys want one or not? Do you want gentoo's software to be
>protected or not?
>  
>

This is a valuable question, because if we work our asses off trying to
get a legal copyright assignment doc, just to have the devs reject it
then it is all in vain.  It is my understanding that in order for this
to work, it is and all or nothing thing.  Meaning that they either sign
the document or they don't commit.

Maybe this would be a good first vote of the Foundation membership (not
trustees).  -shrug-

The downside to this is that most people don't understand the risks in
letting this go, being that someone could easily take the code and sell
it as a commercial product.  This will have even greater risks as we get
into markets where this is already happening a lot, like with embedded. 
If that happens then we just have to accept it, because otherwise you
have to get a couple dozen developers who have touched the violated code
together to go to court and defend what they have done.  PearPC is doing
this now, but they are lucky enough to have a very small development group.

bleh, I'm having a bad gentoo day as it is, so take my opinion with a
grain of salt.

-C

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Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement

[Grant Goodyear]

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Corey Shields wrote: [Tue Apr 12 2005, 02:32:36PM CDT]
> This is a valuable question, because if we work our asses off trying to
> get a legal copyright assignment doc, just to have the devs reject it
> then it is all in vain.  It is my understanding that in order for this
> to work, it is and all or nothing thing.  Meaning that they either sign
> the document or they don't commit.
> 
> Maybe this would be a good first vote of the Foundation membership (not
> trustees).  -shrug-

That happens to be my view on the issue.  We're going to have actual
members quite soon, and we should let them share the work!

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Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement

[Grant Goodyear]

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Drobbins has requested we add the following to the copyright transfer
agreement:

  * Perpetual use of the drobbins@gentoo.org e-mail address (presumably
    if Gentoo should shut down in the future, drobbins should have the
	option to reacquire the domain name).
  * A license to maintain store.gentoo.org (which comes with
    store@gentoo.org through 2005.
  * A clause transferring the gentoo.org domain from drobbins to 
    the Foundation (as he still owns it).

Any comments?

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Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement

[Deedra Waters]

hrm, I'm probably going to upset daniel with this one, but this isn't my
intention...

I don't think that he should have perminant use of drobbins@gentoo.org,
I can see it while he's still using the store, but once the use of the
store is done with, there's no reason for him to keep it.
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Grant Goodyear wrote:

> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:52:54 -0500
> From: Grant Goodyear <g2boojum@gentoo.org>
> Reply-To: gentoo-trustees@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-trustees@lists.gentoo.org
> Cc: gentoo-trustees@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement
>
> Drobbins has requested we add the following to the copyright transfer
> agreement:
>
>   * Perpetual use of the drobbins@gentoo.org e-mail address (presumably
>     if Gentoo should shut down in the future, drobbins should have the
> 	option to reacquire the domain name).
>   * A license to maintain store.gentoo.org (which comes with
>     store@gentoo.org through 2005.
>   * A clause transferring the gentoo.org domain from drobbins to
>     the Foundation (as he still owns it).
>
> Any comments?
>
> -g2boojum-
>

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Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement

[Grant Goodyear]

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Yet another item for the list (pointed out by ferringb):

  * Transfer of the copyrights governed by the existing Gentoo
    Technologies, Inc copyright transfer agreements that many of 
    our developers signed.  It would be foolish to have a situation
	where new work added by devs who have signed that doc is
	automatically copyrighted Gentoo Technologies.

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Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement

[Grant Goodyear]

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Deedra Waters wrote: [Tue Apr 12 2005, 02:57:27PM CDT]
> hrm, I'm probably going to upset daniel with this one, but this isn't my
> intention...
> 
> I don't think that he should have perminant use of drobbins@gentoo.org,
> I can see it while he's still using the store, but once the use of the
> store is done with, there's no reason for him to keep it.

I think there may be two different aspects of this issue.  One is
drobbins using the drobbins@gentoo.org address for new e-mails, which
implicitly suggests that he is representing Gentoo.  Given that we
control www.g.o, the forums, and the mailing lists, I personally believe
that we should be able to counter any confusion that might arise, but I
understand that some will disagree with me on principle.  The other
issue is Daniel receiving mail that goes to drobbins@gentoo.org.  That
e-mail address is plastered all over the internet (especially in his
Intel and IBM articles, not just associated with Gentoo proper), so I
can certainly understand drobbins' desire to receive mail at that
address.  Is there a reasonable compromise that may be reached (assuming
that one is needed)?

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Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement

[Daniel Robbins]

Deedra,

Oh, how you tempt me! But I will not reply :)

Regards,

Daniel

On Apr 12, 2005 1:57 PM, Deedra Waters <dmwaters@gentoo.org> wrote:
> hrm, I'm probably going to upset daniel with this one, but this isn't my
> intention...
> 
> I don't think that he should have perminant use of drobbins@gentoo.org,
> I can see it while he's still using the store, but once the use of the
> store is done with, there's no reason for him to keep it.
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Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Tuesday 12 April 2005 22:20, Grant Goodyear wrote:
> Deedra Waters wrote: [Tue Apr 12 2005, 02:57:27PM CDT]
>
> > hrm, I'm probably going to upset daniel with this one, but this isn't my
> > intention...
> >
> > I don't think that he should have perminant use of drobbins@gentoo.org,
> > I can see it while he's still using the store, but once the use of the
> > store is done with, there's no reason for him to keep it.
>
> I think there may be two different aspects of this issue.  One is
> drobbins using the drobbins@gentoo.org address for new e-mails, which
> implicitly suggests that he is representing Gentoo.  Given that we
> control www.g.o, the forums, and the mailing lists, I personally believe
> that we should be able to counter any confusion that might arise, but I
> understand that some will disagree with me on principle.  The other
> issue is Daniel receiving mail that goes to drobbins@gentoo.org.  That
> e-mail address is plastered all over the internet (especially in his
> Intel and IBM articles, not just associated with Gentoo proper), so I
> can certainly understand drobbins' desire to receive mail at that
> address.  Is there a reasonable compromise that may be reached (assuming
> that one is needed)?

What about an abuse termination clause, that states that if he uses the 
address to act as a gentoo developer/against the interests of the foundation 
while in fact not being a member (he might rejoin) his right to use the email 
address is lost (possibly after X warnings)

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement

[Deedra Waters]

What if we just have an alias that forwards the mail so he does get the
mail, but it's his responsibility to filter the mail through gmail, or
what ever he uses on his end, along with what Paul suggested. My main
thing here is that a while back he was using dev.g.o for specificly
"managing his mail" or something to that effect. infra disabled his
account, and that caused a lot of problems. Paul brings up a vallid
point with the articles etc etc.


On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Paul de Vrieze wrote:

> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:29:50 +0200
> From: Paul de Vrieze <pauldv@gentoo.org>
> Reply-To: gentoo-trustees@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-trustees@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement
>
> On Tuesday 12 April 2005 22:20, Grant Goodyear wrote:
> > Deedra Waters wrote: [Tue Apr 12 2005, 02:57:27PM CDT]
> >
> > > hrm, I'm probably going to upset daniel with this one, but this isn't my
> > > intention...
> > >
> > > I don't think that he should have perminant use of drobbins@gentoo.org,
> > > I can see it while he's still using the store, but once the use of the
> > > store is done with, there's no reason for him to keep it.
> >
> > I think there may be two different aspects of this issue.  One is
> > drobbins using the drobbins@gentoo.org address for new e-mails, which
> > implicitly suggests that he is representing Gentoo.  Given that we
> > control www.g.o, the forums, and the mailing lists, I personally believe
> > that we should be able to counter any confusion that might arise, but I
> > understand that some will disagree with me on principle.  The other
> > issue is Daniel receiving mail that goes to drobbins@gentoo.org.  That
> > e-mail address is plastered all over the internet (especially in his
> > Intel and IBM articles, not just associated with Gentoo proper), so I
> > can certainly understand drobbins' desire to receive mail at that
> > address.  Is there a reasonable compromise that may be reached (assuming
> > that one is needed)?
>
> What about an abuse termination clause, that states that if he uses the
> address to act as a gentoo developer/against the interests of the foundation
> while in fact not being a member (he might rejoin) his right to use the email
> address is lost (possibly after X warnings)
>
> Paul
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement

[Daniel Robbins]

Hi Deedra,

That would be fine. I just want "drobbins@gentoo.org" to get to me; I
don't need Gentoo to provide me with a mail account, just a permanent
alias.

Regards,

Daniel

On Apr 12, 2005 3:17 PM, Deedra Waters <dmwaters@gentoo.org> wrote:
> What if we just have an alias that forwards the mail so he does get the
> mail, but it's his responsibility to filter the mail through gmail, or
> what ever he uses on his end, along with what Paul suggested. My main
> thing here is that a while back he was using dev.g.o for specificly
> "managing his mail" or something to that effect. infra disabled his
> account, and that caused a lot of problems. Paul brings up a vallid
> point with the articles etc etc.
> 
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> 
> > Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:29:50 +0200
> > From: Paul de Vrieze <pauldv@gentoo.org>
> > Reply-To: gentoo-trustees@lists.gentoo.org
> > To: gentoo-trustees@lists.gentoo.org
> > Subject: Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement
> >
> > On Tuesday 12 April 2005 22:20, Grant Goodyear wrote:
> > > Deedra Waters wrote: [Tue Apr 12 2005, 02:57:27PM CDT]
> > >
> > > > hrm, I'm probably going to upset daniel with this one, but this isn't my
> > > > intention...
> > > >
> > > > I don't think that he should have perminant use of drobbins@gentoo.org,
> > > > I can see it while he's still using the store, but once the use of the
> > > > store is done with, there's no reason for him to keep it.
> > >
> > > I think there may be two different aspects of this issue.  One is
> > > drobbins using the drobbins@gentoo.org address for new e-mails, which
> > > implicitly suggests that he is representing Gentoo.  Given that we
> > > control www.g.o, the forums, and the mailing lists, I personally believe
> > > that we should be able to counter any confusion that might arise, but I
> > > understand that some will disagree with me on principle.  The other
> > > issue is Daniel receiving mail that goes to drobbins@gentoo.org.  That
> > > e-mail address is plastered all over the internet (especially in his
> > > Intel and IBM articles, not just associated with Gentoo proper), so I
> > > can certainly understand drobbins' desire to receive mail at that
> > > address.  Is there a reasonable compromise that may be reached (assuming
> > > that one is needed)?
> >
> > What about an abuse termination clause, that states that if he uses the
> > address to act as a gentoo developer/against the interests of the foundation
> > while in fact not being a member (he might rejoin) his right to use the email
> > address is lost (possibly after X warnings)
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> 
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> dmwaters@gentoo.org
> Gentoo linux: http://www.gentoo.org
> 
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> 
>
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Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement

[Corey Shields]

(I see no problems with this..)   my $0.02

Daniel Robbins wrote:

>Hi Deedra,
>
>That would be fine. I just want "drobbins@gentoo.org" to get to me; I
>don't need Gentoo to provide me with a mail account, just a permanent
>alias.
>
>Regards,
>
>Daniel
>
>On Apr 12, 2005 3:17 PM, Deedra Waters <dmwaters@gentoo.org> wrote:
>  
>
>>What if we just have an alias that forwards the mail so he does get the
>>mail, but it's his responsibility to filter the mail through gmail, or
>>what ever he uses on his end, along with what Paul suggested. My main
>>thing here is that a while back he was using dev.g.o for specificly
>>"managing his mail" or something to that effect. infra disabled his
>>account, and that caused a lot of problems. Paul brings up a vallid
>>point with the articles etc etc.
>>
>>On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:29:50 +0200
>>>From: Paul de Vrieze <pauldv@gentoo.org>
>>>Reply-To: gentoo-trustees@lists.gentoo.org
>>>To: gentoo-trustees@lists.gentoo.org
>>>Subject: Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement
>>>
>>>On Tuesday 12 April 2005 22:20, Grant Goodyear wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Deedra Waters wrote: [Tue Apr 12 2005, 02:57:27PM CDT]
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>hrm, I'm probably going to upset daniel with this one, but this isn't my
>>>>>intention...
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't think that he should have perminant use of drobbins@gentoo.org,
>>>>>I can see it while he's still using the store, but once the use of the
>>>>>store is done with, there's no reason for him to keep it.
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>I think there may be two different aspects of this issue.  One is
>>>>drobbins using the drobbins@gentoo.org address for new e-mails, which
>>>>implicitly suggests that he is representing Gentoo.  Given that we
>>>>control www.g.o, the forums, and the mailing lists, I personally believe
>>>>that we should be able to counter any confusion that might arise, but I
>>>>understand that some will disagree with me on principle.  The other
>>>>issue is Daniel receiving mail that goes to drobbins@gentoo.org.  That
>>>>e-mail address is plastered all over the internet (especially in his
>>>>Intel and IBM articles, not just associated with Gentoo proper), so I
>>>>can certainly understand drobbins' desire to receive mail at that
>>>>address.  Is there a reasonable compromise that may be reached (assuming
>>>>that one is needed)?
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>What about an abuse termination clause, that states that if he uses the
>>>address to act as a gentoo developer/against the interests of the foundation
>>>while in fact not being a member (he might rejoin) his right to use the email
>>>address is lost (possibly after X warnings)
>>>
>>>Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>--
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>>dmwaters@gentoo.org
>>Gentoo linux: http://www.gentoo.org
>>
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>>
>>
>>    
>>
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>
>
>  
>


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Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement

[Sven Vermeulen]

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On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 12:19:44PM -0700, Deedra Waters wrote:
> So, what do the rest of you want?We need to come up with a decision of
> what we want first before we can even get down to deciding in how we
> want to do the copyright doc, if we want one.
> So, do you guys want one or not? Do you want gentoo's software to be
> protected or not?

Don't dare to go away from the original intend to get copyright transfers.
There are only positive sides attached to it afaik, you just need to be able
to sensiblize (sp?) the developers for it.

A copyright transfer is a contract. If the Gentoo Foundation requires all
developers to sign a contract stating that every work they contribute to
the Gentoo Project is owned by Gentoo Foundation as long as the Gentoo
Foundation does not wave from the GPL license version 2 or higher for
software or the Creative Commons - Attribution / Share Alike version 2 or
higher for the work, then that's a valid contract (okay, there are some
smaller items that need to be listed in the contract for it to be valid in
Belgium, but it's really not difficult), then developers should not worry
about Gentoo Foundation walking away with their code.

Perhaps the developer wants to share the copyright of the Work with the
Gentoo Foundation in such an extend that the Gentoo Foundation can
individually act on the Work as long as the Gentoo Foundation does not wave
from the beforementioned licenses that's possible as well and fits our needs
(we just want to be able to protect Gentoo). I believe we should keep that
option open as well.

Deedra, has this been mentioned during the previous conference call? Sharing
ownership on works but on which each side can individually act (without the
permission of the other side) and where the Gentoo ownership stays as long
as we do not wave from the GPL/CC-BY-SA?

Wkr,
      Sven Vermeulen

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Re: [gentoo-trustees] copyright transfer agreement

[Sven Vermeulen]

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On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 12:02:35PM -0500, Grant Goodyear wrote:
>   I'm attaching a tentative copyright transfer agreement.  Any comments
> before we pass it along for review?

It certainly looks good in my not professional opinion :) Just a small note
but it is covered in the text (just mentioning it to inform you): none of
the Gentoo documentation is currently owned by Gentoo Technologies, Inc.
Only a small amount of it is owned by Daniel (as he wrote them) and most of
them are even not Daniels' anymore (owned by the companies where he wrote
the article for but who have granted a republication/redistribution right 
to Daniel).

Wkr,
      Sven Vermeulen

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