[gentoo-sparc] Java Support on Sparc plattform.

[gentoo-sparc] Java Support on Sparc plattform.

[harald]

Hello,

recently downloaded and installed Gentoo on my Sparc Sun machine.
Unfortunately i did not find any package containing java for this
architecture. is it possible to install any other java (source) package
instead? is java support planned by gentoo foundation for these types of
machines?

please let me know, java support is very important for me. 

Harald. 

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Re: [gentoo-sparc] Java Support on Sparc plattform.

[Andrew Gaffney]

harald wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> recently downloaded and installed Gentoo on my Sparc Sun machine.
> Unfortunately i did not find any package containing java for this
> architecture. is it possible to install any other java (source) package
> instead? is java support planned by gentoo foundation for these types of
> machines?

The foundation has very little to do with development.

> please let me know, java support is very important for me. 

Last I heard, the last version of java that worked on sparc was blackdown 1.4.2 
(or something like that), but it had a security bug. If java on sparc is really 
important to you, then you probably need to run Solaris. Alternatively, you can 
convince the blackdown guys (or one of the other JRE/JDK providers) to do 
another sparc release.

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Andrew Gaffney                            http://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/
Gentoo Linux Developer                                   Installer Project
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Re: [gentoo-sparc] Java Support on Sparc plattform.

[harald]

Hello Andrew,

thank´s for your very quick answer. 
i don´t know exactly what exactly gentoo foundation and its developers
do. there are a several java sources available for sparc plattform. sun
has binaries for solaris. is it possible to install/transform these
binaries for gentoo? there are a lot of sources available from sun.
would it be possible to install/compile these sources on my machine?
would it be possible for gentoo to generate emerge packages with these
sources?
I knew about blackdown java for sparc, these are unstable and do not
support all official sun java features.

harald Grosskopf. 
Am Dienstag, den 02.01.2007, 14:32 -0600 schrieb Andrew Gaffney:
> harald wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > recently downloaded and installed Gentoo on my Sparc Sun machine.
> > Unfortunately i did not find any package containing java for this
> > architecture. is it possible to install any other java (source) package
> > instead? is java support planned by gentoo foundation for these types of
> > machines?
> 
> The foundation has very little to do with development.
> 
> > please let me know, java support is very important for me. 
> 
> Last I heard, the last version of java that worked on sparc was blackdown 1.4.2 
> (or something like that), but it had a security bug. If java on sparc is really 
> important to you, then you probably need to run Solaris. Alternatively, you can 
> convince the blackdown guys (or one of the other JRE/JDK providers) to do 
> another sparc release.
> 
> -- 
> Andrew Gaffney                            http://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/
> Gentoo Linux Developer                                   Installer Project
> Today's lesson in political correctness:      "Go asphyxiate on a phallus"


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Re: [gentoo-sparc] Java Support on Sparc plattform.

[Ferris McCormick]

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On Tue, 2007-01-02 at 14:32 -0600, Andrew Gaffney wrote:
> harald wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > recently downloaded and installed Gentoo on my Sparc Sun machine.
> > Unfortunately i did not find any package containing java for this
> > architecture. is it possible to install any other java (source) package
> > instead? is java support planned by gentoo foundation for these types of
> > machines?
> 
> The foundation has very little to do with development.
> 
> > please let me know, java support is very important for me. 
> 
> Last I heard, the last version of java that worked on sparc was blackdown 1.4.2 
> (or something like that), but it had a security bug. If java on sparc is really 
> important to you, then you probably need to run Solaris. Alternatively, you can 
> convince the blackdown guys (or one of the other JRE/JDK providers) to do 
> another sparc release.

Rumor has it that sun is opening the source to their JRE/JDK, although I
can't confirm nor do I know quite what that actually means.  If true,
though, a user on IRC has expressed a strong interest in working on it,
and if all that happens, I am sure we would support the effort.
Unfornately I don't recall off hand who that was.  You might /join
#genoo-sparc (on freenode) and ask who the user is and make contact with
him.

There are one or two java source packages in portage which do build and
run.  But if "java support is very important for [you]," you would
almost certainly find them to be deficient.
> 
> -- 
> Andrew Gaffney                            http://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/
> Gentoo Linux Developer                                   Installer Project
> Today's lesson in political correctness:      "Go asphyxiate on a phallus"

Hoping this information is useful to you,
Regards,
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Developer, Gentoo Linux (Devrel, Sparc)


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Re: [gentoo-sparc] Java Support on Sparc plattform.

[Pilage]

Ferris probably answered your question, but i looked back and found this  
sent to this list on sept. 5

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Hi All,

As of today, the 2005.1 profiles for sparc32 and sparc64 have been  
deprecated. The major change this will cause is that Java is no longer  
supported. Basically the SPARC port for the one Java solution that was  
available (blackdown) has the following issues:


* Outstanding security issues
* Very unstable performance, particularly on SMP systems
* Version of glibc it needed was holding the toolchain back.


If Java becomes a viable option again, an update will be posted.

Cheers,
- -- Jason Wever
Gentoo/Sparc Team Co-Lead
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On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 15:09:50 -0600, Ferris McCormick <fmccor@gentoo.org>  
wrote:

> On Tue, 2007-01-02 at 14:32 -0600, Andrew Gaffney wrote:
>> harald wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > recently downloaded and installed Gentoo on my Sparc Sun machine.
>> > Unfortunately i did not find any package containing java for this
>> > architecture. is it possible to install any other java (source)  
>> package
>> > instead? is java support planned by gentoo foundation for these types  
>> of
>> > machines?
>>
>> The foundation has very little to do with development.
>>
>> > please let me know, java support is very important for me.
>>
>> Last I heard, the last version of java that worked on sparc was  
>> blackdown 1.4.2
>> (or something like that), but it had a security bug. If java on sparc  
>> is really
>> important to you, then you probably need to run Solaris. Alternatively,  
>> you can
>> convince the blackdown guys (or one of the other JRE/JDK providers) to  
>> do
>> another sparc release.
>
> Rumor has it that sun is opening the source to their JRE/JDK, although I
> can't confirm nor do I know quite what that actually means.  If true,
> though, a user on IRC has expressed a strong interest in working on it,
> and if all that happens, I am sure we would support the effort.
> Unfornately I don't recall off hand who that was.  You might /join
> #genoo-sparc (on freenode) and ask who the user is and make contact with
> him.
>
> There are one or two java source packages in portage which do build and
> run.  But if "java support is very important for [you]," you would
> almost certainly find them to be deficient.
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Gaffney                             
>> http://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/
>> Gentoo Linux Developer                                   Installer  
>> Project
>> Today's lesson in political correctness:      "Go asphyxiate on a  
>> phallus"
>
> Hoping this information is useful to you,
> Regards,



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Re: [gentoo-sparc] Java Support on Sparc plattform.

[Ferris McCormick]

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On Tue, 2007-01-02 at 22:04 +0100, harald wrote:
> Hello Andrew,
> 
> thank´s for your very quick answer. 
> i don´t know exactly what exactly gentoo foundation and its developers
> do. there are a several java sources available for sparc plattform. sun
> has binaries for solaris. is it possible to install/transform these
> binaries for gentoo? there are a lot of sources available from sun.
> would it be possible to install/compile these sources on my machine?
> would it be possible for gentoo to generate emerge packages with these
> sources?

Don't know.  What you should do is open a bug against sparc requesting
that the sources you are interested be wrapped in an ebuild which would
support a version of java which would be acceptable to you.  If you
generate a bug like that, someone --- maybe me --- would at least look
at it.

> I knew about blackdown java for sparc, these are unstable and do not
> support all official sun java features.

Don't pursue blackdown; sun's product seems to be superior.


Regards,
Ferris

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Developer, Gentoo Linux (Devrel, Sparc)


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Re: [gentoo-sparc] Java Support on Sparc plattform.

[harald]

Hello again,

why should i open a bug? there is no bug in system, it is a missing
feature. 
ok, if you mean that this is the only thing that may bring yava to
gentoo linux on sparc. i will do that. must make me familar to gentoo
bug system. hope i will do the request correct. 
i know that suns java is much better. 

regards, Harald.
Am Dienstag, den 02.01.2007, 21:17 +0000 schrieb Ferris McCormick:
> On Tue, 2007-01-02 at 22:04 +0100, harald wrote:
> > Hello Andrew,
> > 
> > thank´s for your very quick answer. 
> > i don´t know exactly what exactly gentoo foundation and its developers
> > do. there are a several java sources available for sparc plattform. sun
> > has binaries for solaris. is it possible to install/transform these
> > binaries for gentoo? there are a lot of sources available from sun.
> > would it be possible to install/compile these sources on my machine?
> > would it be possible for gentoo to generate emerge packages with these
> > sources?
> 
> Don't know.  What you should do is open a bug against sparc requesting
> that the sources you are interested be wrapped in an ebuild which would
> support a version of java which would be acceptable to you.  If you
> generate a bug like that, someone --- maybe me --- would at least look
> at it.
> 
> > I knew about blackdown java for sparc, these are unstable and do not
> > support all official sun java features.
> 
> Don't pursue blackdown; sun's product seems to be superior.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Ferris
> 


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