From: Luca Barbato <lu_zero@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-soc@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-soc] (draft) final report for OpenRC soc project 2012
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 23:47:47 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <502C1903.1090805@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <861uj8faqh.fsf_-_@gmail.com>
On 8/15/12 5:14 PM, heroxbd@gmail.com wrote:
> Dear guys and gals,
>
> For the soft pencil down, I'd like to aggregate a report for the overall
> status for my project.
>
> The goals have been achieved:
>
> 1. Prefix support of OpenRC
And it looks quite nice
> 2. A evaluation of existing init systems
>
> This includes solaris SMF, Mac OSX launchd, Fedora systemd, OpenSUSE
> systemd/LSB combo, Ubuntu upstart and Debian LSB/insserv combo.
Were is it? I'd like to read it =)
> 3. service supervisor
>
> achieved via runit, doc at
> http://www.awa.tohoku.ac.jp/~benda/projects/runit.html
>
> will move to wiki after runit feature is pulled in my WilliamH.
>
> git repo:
> http://git.heroxbd.z.tuna.tsinghua.edu.cn/openrc.git?p=openrc.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/runit
>
> This is a cool feature, while it have changes to default behavior of
> OpenRC initscripts. Therefore documenting it comprehensively is
> necessary. A GLEP will be composed to serve as an RFC for the Gentoo
> community, official explanation and general guideline to simplify
> present (already simplified compared to LSB conterparts) init scripts
> shipped in ebuilds.
>
> btw, s6 (http://www.skarnet.org/software/s6/why.html) is a better
> alternative to runit.
Seems interesting indeed, would you consider working on it later?
> 4. OOM killer/periodical command
>
> Not implemented here, tested with monit (http://mmonit.com/monit/)
> and fcron (http://fcron.free.fr/). No integration or modification is
> need in OpenRC, unlike runit. At most, we can introduce a
> IN_PERIODICAL envvar, as how IN_HOTPLUG works.
I'd like to have more information here.
> 5. event driven actions
>
> Same as hotplug feature already in OpenRC, triggered by udev, just
> lack of documentation. If used with runlevel stacking (another under
> documented feature of OpenRC), it can cover all the use cases I could
> imagine.
>
> That's enough. upstart features a udev-upstart-bridge after all. It
> is a cool feature and we can adopt it with a combo of tools and
> achieve sane default behavior by packaging with, e.g., our beloved
> ebuild. The revolutionary event based init design is more of
> propaganding, IMHO.
I'd like to see a wiki page or some more on that =)
> 6. OpenRC introduction to debian
>
> documented at
> http://wiki.debian.org/OpenRC
>
> git repo:
> http://git.heroxbd.z.tuna.tsinghua.edu.cn/openrc.git?p=openrc.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/debian
>
> ITP bug:
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=684396
>
> on going debian packaging collaboration
> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/openrc.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/debian
>
> I will work closely with the debian team. Hope debian can stand
> against the gigantic storm of systemd.
Looks great so far and coordination is great
> The next time consuming task is to push my contribution to upstreams,
> very likely improving it from the feedbacks along the way. I need to
> stay tuned and work together with people, including Prefix herd, OpenRC
> herd and Debian init system developers.
>
> Thanks to this project, I find init system an interesting topic, with
> all the advertisements, politics, debates and cultural collisions
> mixed. Making a reliable, minimalistic, elegant, fast and extendable
> init system with dependency handling, optional event triggering,
> optional service supervising, etc. is definitely not a simple task.
>
> The ideas of OpenRC and the way new features gets added resonates with
> my own value of how computer should work. I will continue to work on it
> after soc.
>
> I'd like to thank my mentor Luca for introducing me to this exciting
> realm, for his support and advise all along. I'd like to thank Patrick,
> Fabian, William, Roger for the discussions and support. My thanks also
> go to people in mailing lists and IRC channels (esp. cxxCZ and ryao) who
> commented for providing nice ideas/criticism and sharping my mind.
>
> Finally replies to my last plans on 8.12,
>
> Luca Barbato <lu_zero@gentoo.org> writes:
>
>>> I will install a OpenSUSE first for trying out native systemd. Then
>>> write a tool to parse its unit files.
>>
>> Ok. Please document it.
>
> Tried systemd on OpenSUSE, disappointed by its ini unit files. At
> present don't see the necessity for a parser.
The unit file feature is something touted a lot, why you found it
disappointing?
>>> another plan for today
>>>
>>> install newest ubuntu to try out upstart natively. Make a draft
>>> event driven system on my laptop(debian) by newly packaged OpenRC with
>>> incron/inotify extension.
>
> incron not needed, it is for filesystem after all. udev + hotplug@OpenRC
> do the job.
More should be said on that =)
> Succeeded, thinking of documenting it in wiki.
Please do
lu
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-08-16 0:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-07-24 8:58 [gentoo-soc] report 7.16-7.23: improving OpenRC heroxbd
2012-08-07 4:53 ` [gentoo-soc] report 7.24-8.7: " heroxbd
2012-08-07 9:16 ` Luca Barbato
2012-08-08 23:24 ` [gentoo-soc] report 8.8: " heroxbd
2012-08-09 6:05 ` Luca Barbato
2012-08-10 2:56 ` [gentoo-soc] report 8.9: " heroxbd
2012-08-10 8:51 ` Luca Barbato
2012-08-11 0:31 ` [gentoo-soc] report 8.10: " heroxbd
2012-08-11 23:50 ` [gentoo-soc] report 8.11: " heroxbd
2012-08-13 8:33 ` Luca Barbato
2012-08-15 15:14 ` [gentoo-soc] (draft) final report for OpenRC soc project 2012 heroxbd
2012-08-15 21:47 ` Luca Barbato [this message]
2012-08-16 8:38 ` heroxbd
2012-08-16 11:41 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-17 5:39 ` heroxbd
2012-08-17 7:29 ` Luca Barbato
2012-08-17 11:56 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-20 3:04 ` heroxbd
2012-08-20 8:16 ` Luca Barbato
2012-08-20 10:25 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-08-20 16:32 ` Luca Barbato
2012-08-20 18:25 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-08-20 10:47 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-20 16:34 ` Luca Barbato
2012-08-20 18:12 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-20 18:28 ` Luca Barbato
2012-08-20 16:15 ` EBo
2012-08-21 14:07 ` heroxbd
2012-08-21 15:55 ` Luca Barbato
2012-08-22 2:04 ` heroxbd
2012-08-22 7:35 ` Luca Barbato
2012-08-27 10:46 ` Patrick Lauer
2012-08-27 12:37 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-27 13:29 ` Luca Barbato
2012-08-27 14:10 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-27 14:35 ` Luca Barbato
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