[gentoo-soc] Your part on ideas/issues for Google Summer of Code 2010

[gentoo-soc] Your part on ideas/issues for Google Summer of Code 2010

[Sebastian Pipping]

Hello there!


GSOC 2010 isn't too far away anymore, quite close actually.
I noticed that the list of current GSOC'10 ideas [1] is more or less
the list of last year...

As GSOC is a big chance for Gentoo to get real needs filled by
people who actually have time (and no excuses ;-)) ..

   it is extra important in my eyes to have stuff in
   that list that really makes a difference

to a larger group of people, i.e. any subset of Gentoo users and/or
developers.

Therefore I would like to start an extra round of brainstorming.

   Please ask yourself:

   1. What current Gentoo-related projects of yours
      have "outsourcable" tasks to fill?

   2. What other needs in Gentoo with need for manpower
      are "outsourcable" but not in the current list of ideas?

A list of things I thought of can be found at the bottom of this mail.
That list is the reason why you're all in CC, if you're still wondering:

No please have a look at that list and talk back to us.



Sebastian


[1] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2010_ideas

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@all
"upstream release tracker"  (brought up by ikelos on g-core recently)
potential resources:
- oswatershed
  - http://oswatershed.org/
  - http://github.com/tannewt/open-source-watershed
- Debian watch files
  - http://wiki.debian.org/DEHS
  - http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=uscan&sektion=1


@all
"overlay clean-up website"
a website helping overlay maintainers to detect cruft and errors:
- ebuilds with newer versions in other trees
- ebuilds with critical repoman failures


@bugday  (i.e. @deathwing00 + @gurligebis)
re-write bugday website
(unless you want to do it all yourself)


@zmedico
implement a bunch of repoman checks
http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=repoman


@zmedico
Native Portage Multilib Support?
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145737


@ruby
wasn't there some bigger ruby-task for an earlier gsoc
that never got implemented though a good proposal was
posted?  anything you would like to "give away"?


Notable "external" services
  @beandog
    - http://znurt.org/
  @damage
    - http://portagefilelist.de/
  @mikevalstar
    - http://gentoo-portage.com/
  @ycarus
    - http://gpo.zugaina.org/
    - http://gentoo-portage.zugaina.org/
  <more here>


Another reminder (repetition is king :-)):

   1. What current Gentoo-related projects of yours
      have "outsourcable" tasks to fill?

   2. What other needs in Gentoo with need for manpower
      are "outsourcable" but not in the current list of ideas?

[gentoo-soc] Re: Your part on ideas/issues for Google Summer of Code 2010

[Hans de Graaff]

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On Thu, 2010-03-04 at 01:03 +0100, Sebastian Pipping wrote:

> @ruby
> wasn't there some bigger ruby-task for an earlier gsoc
> that never got implemented though a good proposal was
> posted?  anything you would like to "give away"?

Yes, there was. But it turns out that the new ruby-ng eclasses solve the
same problem for the most part, so that task no longer is needed.

@sping: I would like to bring up the statistics project as well. You did
a lot of work on it last year and it was looking very promising, but we
need to take it one step further and get to a state where we can collect
real information based on a package that is in portage and a stable
server address.

Hans

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Re: [gentoo-soc] Your part on ideas/issues for Google Summer of Code 2010

[Arun Raghavan]

On 4 March 2010 05:33, Sebastian Pipping <sping@gentoo.org> wrote:
[...]
> @all
> "upstream release tracker"  (brought up by ikelos on g-core recently)
> potential resources:
> - oswatershed
>  - http://oswatershed.org/
>  - http://github.com/tannewt/open-source-watershed
> - Debian watch files
>  - http://wiki.debian.org/DEHS
>  - http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=uscan&sektion=1

There's bumpchecker too:
http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/gentoo-bumpchecker.git;a=summary

Cheers,
-- 
Arun Raghavan
http://arunraghavan.net/
(Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-soc] Your part on ideas/issues for Google Summer of Code 2010

[Nirbheek Chauhan]

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Arun Raghavan <arunissatan@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4 March 2010 05:33, Sebastian Pipping <sping@gentoo.org> wrote:
> [...]
>> @all
>> "upstream release tracker"  (brought up by ikelos on g-core recently)
>> potential resources:
>> - oswatershed
>>  - http://oswatershed.org/
>>  - http://github.com/tannewt/open-source-watershed
>> - Debian watch files
>>  - http://wiki.debian.org/DEHS
>>  - http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=uscan&sektion=1
>
> There's bumpchecker too:
> http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/gentoo-bumpchecker.git;a=summary
>

Mart has been looking for volunteers to work on grumpy[1], which is
essentially an extended version of gentoo-bumpchecker with lots of
maintainer-useful information collected, processed and presented in
one place. I recently asked him, and he expressed interest in
mentoring someone in GSoC/2010 for this. I think he would like it if
someone volunteered to co-mentor with him in this.

Personally, I think this project will *really* help maintainers, and
would be easy to deploy and maintain too.

1. http://dev.gentoo.org/~dabbott/grumpy/

PS: I've CC-ed Mart in case he isn't on gentoo-soc@lists.gentoo.org
-- 
~Nirbheek Chauhan

Gentoo GNOME+Mozilla Team

Re: [gentoo-soc] Your part on ideas/issues for Google Summer of Code 2010

[Sebastian Pipping]

On 03/04/10 08:52, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> Mart has been looking for volunteers to work on grumpy[1], which is
> essentially an extended version of gentoo-bumpchecker with lots of
> maintainer-useful information collected, processed and presented in
> one place. I recently asked him, and he expressed interest in
> mentoring someone in GSoC/2010 for this. I think he would like it if
> someone volunteered to co-mentor with him in this.
> 
> Personally, I think this project will *really* help maintainers, and
> would be easy to deploy and maintain too.
> 
> 1. http://dev.gentoo.org/~dabbott/grumpy/

I have seen that page before:  To be honest I have trouble getting the
information from that page into my head.  My latest impression on that
was an abstract meta project.

If you turn this into concrete ideas that even I get I'm all for it :-)



Sebastian

Re: [gentoo-soc] Your part on ideas/issues for Google Summer of Code 2010

[Sebastian Pipping]

On 03/04/10 08:17, Arun Raghavan wrote:
> There's bumpchecker too:
> http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/gentoo-bumpchecker.git;a=summary

Is there documentation on this besides the code?

What's the status of this?
- Is it ready to use?
- if not could it serve as a base?
- What use cases does it handle?



Sebastian

[gentoo-soc] Re: Your part on ideas/issues for Google Summer of Code 2010

[Zac Medico]

On 03/03/2010 04:03 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
> @zmedico
> implement a bunch of repoman checks
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=repoman

I'm not sure if that's appropriate for a SOC project because it's
like a bunch of independent small projects that could easily be done
by separate individuals. My idea of a SOC project is something that
absolutely requires the sustained focus of a single individual.

> @zmedico
> Native Portage Multilib Support?
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145737

It's already been done:

  http://wiki.github.com/sjnewbury/multilib-overlay/

It seems like all we need to do now is finalize the details and put
together a migration plan for integrating it into Gentoo.
-- 
Thanks,
Zac

Re: [gentoo-soc] Your part on ideas/issues for Google Summer of Code 2010

[Nirbheek Chauhan]

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:52 AM, Sebastian Pipping <sping@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On 03/04/10 08:17, Arun Raghavan wrote:
>> There's bumpchecker too:
>> http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/gentoo-bumpchecker.git;a=summary
>
> Is there documentation on this besides the code?
>

There's a command help list when you run the tool, but besides that,
nothing. Essentially you run a "bumpchecker" tool and that generates a
static html page after parsing upstream versions and portage/overlay
status.

> What's the status of this?
> - Is it ready to use?

It's already being used by the gnome and x11 herds. Here are sample
(somewhat outdated) pages:

http://dev.gentoo.org/~leio/gnome/gnome2.28.html
http://dev.gentoo.org/~leio/gnome/gnome2.26.html
http://dev.gentoo.org/~eva/gnome/gnome-2.28.2.html

Recently, patches for perl package support floated around, but I'm not
sure what happened to them.

> - if not could it serve as a base?
> - What use cases does it handle?
>

Just one: checking the progress of upstream package versions with
portage/overlay package versions.

This is why grumpy was envisioned. Besides having information about
upstream/downstream progress, it would have information about bugs,
stable/unstable keywords, p.mask, repoman/pcheck runs, test failures,
etc.

-- 
~Nirbheek Chauhan

Gentoo GNOME+Mozilla Team

Re: [gentoo-soc] Your part on ideas/issues for Google Summer of Code 2010

[Nirbheek Chauhan]

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Nirbheek Chauhan
<nirbheek.chauhan@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:52 AM, Sebastian Pipping <sping@gentoo.org> wrote:
[snip]
>> What's the status of this?
>> - Is it ready to use?
[snip]
> Recently, patches for perl package support floated around, but I'm not
> sure what happened to them.
>

Alright, here they are:

http://plaes.org/files/2010-Q1/gentoo-bumpchecker-add-perl-bindings.patch
http://plaes.org/files/2010-Q1/gentoo-bumpchecker-skip-mobile.patch
http://plaes.org/files/2010-Q1/gentoo-bumpchecker-cleanup--calculations.patch

And *ahem* they're actually patches for showing perl bindings, not
perl packages (but that should be easy to hack in [although we really
should rewrite the thing as grumpy])

-- 
~Nirbheek Chauhan

Gentoo GNOME+Mozilla Team

Re: [gentoo-soc] Re: Your part on ideas/issues for Google Summer of Code 2010

[Sebastian Pipping]

On 03/05/10 06:20, Zac Medico wrote:
> On 03/03/2010 04:03 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
>> @zmedico
>> implement a bunch of repoman checks
>> http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=repoman
> 
> I'm not sure if that's appropriate for a SOC project because it's
> like a bunch of independent small projects that could easily be done
> by separate individuals. My idea of a SOC project is something that
> absolutely requires the sustained focus of a single individual.

It's not a perfect fit, right.

Alternatively we could use these repoman check bugs to get more people
into the portage boat once we're on Git with it.


>> Native Portage Multilib Support?
>> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145737
> 
> It's already been done:
> 
>   http://wiki.github.com/sjnewbury/multilib-overlay/
> 
> It seems like all we need to do now is finalize the details and put
> together a migration plan for integrating it into Gentoo.

Please update the bug accordingly and make sure it doesn't "get lost".



Sebastian

Re: [gentoo-soc] Re: Your part on ideas/issues for Google Summer of Code 2010

[Zac Medico]

On 03/05/2010 07:43 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
>>> Native Portage Multilib Support?
>>> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145737
>>
>> It's already been done:
>>
>>   http://wiki.github.com/sjnewbury/multilib-overlay/
>>
>> It seems like all we need to do now is finalize the details and put
>> together a migration plan for integrating it into Gentoo.
> 
> Please update the bug accordingly and make sure it doesn't "get lost".

I've posted this link on the bug:

http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_6420969ab583adab2c6e29c8955f96e6.xml
-- 
Thanks,
Zac

Re: [gentoo-soc] Re: Your part on ideas/issues for Google Summer of Code 2010

[Sebastian Pipping]

On 03/04/10 08:13, Hans de Graaff wrote:
> @sping: I would like to bring up the statistics project as well. You did
> a lot of work on it last year and it was looking very promising, but we
> need to take it one step further and get to a state where we can collect
> real information based on a package that is in portage and a stable
> server address.

I agree it needs to be taken to another level.  I'm not sure if it fits
well for this years summer of code though, especially because I would be
needed as a mentor for it.  I want to get this done myself.



Sebastian

Re: [gentoo-soc] Your part on ideas/issues for Google Summer of Code 2010

[Hans de Graaff]

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On Thu, 2010-03-04 at 12:47 +0530, Arun Raghavan wrote:
> On 4 March 2010 05:33, Sebastian Pipping <sping@gentoo.org> wrote:
> [...]
> > @all
> > "upstream release tracker"  (brought up by ikelos on g-core recently)
> > potential resources:
> > - oswatershed
> >  - http://oswatershed.org/
> >  - http://github.com/tannewt/open-source-watershed
> > - Debian watch files
> >  - http://wiki.debian.org/DEHS
> >  - http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=uscan&sektion=1
> 
> There's bumpchecker too:
> http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/gentoo-bumpchecker.git;a=summary

FWIW I have a simple python script to handle that for XEmacs packages,
and we have some code specific to rubygems as well:
http://moving-innovations.com/~graaff/outdated-gems/ (output, not code).

Kind regards,

Hans

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