[gentoo-server] Refreshing vhosts without restarting apache

[gentoo-server] Refreshing vhosts without restarting apache

[Darko Luketic]

Hello,

i'm not sure if this is the right place to ask.
I was searching for a way to refresh apache2's virtualhosts without restarting apache.
Currently i'm creating a reloadme file which gets checked for existence every 15min by vixie-cron
and if it exists, apache2 is reloading, with nptl no problem, but sometimes the reload fails for unknown (unlogged) reasons.
and imho thats not really the way it should be, apache should be restarted once a day not potentially every 15 minutes.

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Re: [gentoo-server] Refreshing vhosts without restarting apache

[Ian P. Christian]

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On Tuesday 16 August 2005 13:01, Darko Luketic wrote:
> and imho thats not really the way it should be, apache should be restarted
> once a day not potentially every 15 minutes.

I don't see why it should be restarted at all. If you're not binding to any 
new ports, a reload should be fine rather then a restart.

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Re: [gentoo-server] Refreshing vhosts without restarting apache

[A. Khattri]

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Ian P. Christian wrote:

> On Tuesday 16 August 2005 13:01, Darko Luketic wrote:
> > and imho thats not really the way it should be, apache should be restarted
> > once a day not potentially every 15 minutes.
>
> I don't see why it should be restarted at all. If you're not binding to any
> new ports, a reload should be fine rather then a restart.

Just curious: would "apachectl graceful" load new vhosts added since the
last restart?


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Re: [gentoo-server] Refreshing vhosts without restarting apache

[Michael Crute]

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The gaceful command will actually cause apache to restart but only after all 
pending transfers complete. I believe that this is the default behavior of 
/etc/init.d/apache2 restart the command you are looking for is reload.

-Mike

On 8/17/05, A. Khattri <ajai@bway.net> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Ian P. Christian wrote:
> 
> > On Tuesday 16 August 2005 13:01, Darko Luketic wrote:
> > > and imho thats not really the way it should be, apache should be 
> restarted
> > > once a day not potentially every 15 minutes.
> >
> > I don't see why it should be restarted at all. If you're not binding to 
> any
> > new ports, a reload should be fine rather then a restart.
> 
> Just curious: would "apachectl graceful" load new vhosts added since the
> last restart?
> 
> 
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Re: [gentoo-server] Refreshing vhosts without restarting apache

[Jeroen Geilman]

Top-posting corrected.

> On 8/17/05, *A. Khattri* <ajai@bway.net <mailto:ajai@bway.net>> wrote:
>
>     On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Ian P. Christian wrote:
>
>     > On Tuesday 16 August 2005 13:01, Darko Luketic wrote:
>     > > and imho thats not really the way it should be, apache should
>     be restarted
>     > > once a day not potentially every 15 minutes.
>     >
>     > I don't see why it should be restarted at all. If you're not
>     binding to any
>     > new ports, a reload should be fine rather then a restart.
>
>     Just curious: would "apachectl graceful" load new vhosts added
>     since the
>     last restart?
>
>
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> Michael Crute wrote:
>
> The gaceful command will actually cause apache to restart but only 
> after all pending transfers complete. I believe that this is the 
> default behavior of /etc/init.d/apache2 restart the command you are 
> looking for is reload.
>
No, that's definitely NOT what he is after - since you are adding new 
vhosts these will never be involved in any ongoing transfers.
Instead, reload will break off all current transfers - not a good idea 
on a heavily loaded server.
Graceful is fine.

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Re: [gentoo-server] Refreshing vhosts without restarting apache

[Christian Bricart]

> Top-posting corrected.
>
>> On 8/17/05, *A. Khattri* <ajai@bway.net <mailto:ajai@bway.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Ian P. Christian wrote:
>>
>>     > On Tuesday 16 August 2005 13:01, Darko Luketic wrote:
>>     > > and imho thats not really the way it should be, apache should
>>     be restarted
>>     > > once a day not potentially every 15 minutes.
>>     >
>>     > I don't see why it should be restarted at all. If you're not
>>     binding to any
>>     > new ports, a reload should be fine rather then a restart.
>>
>>     Just curious: would "apachectl graceful" load new vhosts added
>>     since the
>>     last restart?
>>
>>
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>> Michael Crute wrote:
>>
>> The gaceful command will actually cause apache to restart but only
>> after all pending transfers complete. I believe that this is the
>> default behavior of /etc/init.d/apache2 restart the command you are
>> looking for is reload.
>>
> No, that's definitely NOT what he is after - since you are adding new
> vhosts these will never be involved in any ongoing transfers.
> Instead, reload will break off all current transfers - not a good idea
> on a heavily loaded server.
> Graceful is fine.

what about just calling:

 # killall -HUP apache2

this will cause the httpd to reload it's config, not?

Christian

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Re: [gentoo-server] Refreshing vhosts without restarting apache

[Phillip Berry]

The init file for apache 1.3 has a reload function that is exactly the same as 
apachectl graceful aka kill -USR1. So /etc/init.d/apache reload is the same 
as apachectl graceful

Phil

On Wednesday 17 August 2005 21:15, Jeroen Geilman wrote:

> No, that's definitely NOT what he is after - since you are adding new
> vhosts these will never be involved in any ongoing transfers.
> Instead, reload will break off all current transfers - not a good idea
> on a heavily loaded server.
> Graceful is fine.

> > Michael Crute wrote:
> >
> > The gaceful command will actually cause apache to restart but only
> > after all pending transfers complete. I believe that this is the
> > default behavior of /etc/init.d/apache2 restart the command you are
> > looking for is reload.

> Top-posting corrected.
>
> > On 8/17/05, *A. Khattri* <ajai@bway.net <mailto:ajai@bway.net>> wrote:
> >
> >     On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Ian P. Christian wrote:
> >     > On Tuesday 16 August 2005 13:01, Darko Luketic wrote:
> >     > > and imho thats not really the way it should be, apache should
> >
> >     be restarted
> >
> >     > > once a day not potentially every 15 minutes.
> >     >
> >     > I don't see why it should be restarted at all. If you're not
> >
> >     binding to any
> >
> >     > new ports, a reload should be fine rather then a restart.
> >
> >     Just curious: would "apachectl graceful" load new vhosts added
> >     since the
> >     last restart?
> >
> >
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Re: [gentoo-server] Refreshing vhosts without restarting apache

[radu herinean]

another "workarround" that i am currently using is mass vhost-ing.

you can switch to templated vhosting and all you have to do when you add a 
new host is add a new folder and update your dns. no reload, no restart, no 
nothing. it just works.

you can find plenty of stuff on this on the net and there is also an example 
config file in the /conf folder somewhere.


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Subject: [gentoo-server] Refreshing vhosts without restarting apache


> Hello,
>
> i'm not sure if this is the right place to ask.
> I was searching for a way to refresh apache2's virtualhosts without 
> restarting apache.
> Currently i'm creating a reloadme file which gets checked for existence 
> every 15min by vixie-cron
> and if it exists, apache2 is reloading, with nptl no problem, but 
> sometimes the reload fails for unknown (unlogged) reasons.
> and imho thats not really the way it should be, apache should be restarted 
> once a day not potentially every 15 minutes.
>
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