From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HqXfK-0006s1-2c for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 16:56:54 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l4MGuJTZ013381; Tue, 22 May 2007 16:56:19 GMT Received: from isgenesis.com (smtp1.isgenesis.com [168.215.170.6]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l4MGsQxE011028 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 16:54:27 GMT Received: from [168.215.170.1] (HELO [10.222.0.214]) by isgenesis.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.5) with ESMTPS id 2565566; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:54:25 -0500 Message-ID: <4653203B.5020700@spamcop.net> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:54:19 -0500 From: Charles Duffy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-server@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-server@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ramon van Alteren CC: gentoo-server@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-server] Best practices in managing large server groups References: <4650937E.80301@spamcop.net> <4652270A.7020906@vanalteren.nl> In-Reply-To: <4652270A.7020906@vanalteren.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 8fb884d1-9365-4329-b9b3-162f3527abd8 X-Archives-Hash: e9af0cabb0c29d7131bcbe88618d4ed9 Thank you for your advice. It's good to hear that someone else is in a similar scenario. The only thing that's going to be a hard sell around here is Catalyst -- our senior sysadmin (who is a considerably more seasoned Gentoo user than myself) has taken the position that using Catalyst is unnecessary and that emerge (targeting a chroot, with appropriate FEATURES set to generate binary packages) should be adequate. He's not immovable on such things -- but I'll need to have a very solid understanding of the benefits of using Catalyst before arguing any case to the contrary. (I've also contacted the author of gentoo-buildhoster to find out why he abandoned it, what he's using in its place, and whether he believes the project to be worth picking up; if he believes catalyst-2 to be more suitable for his use cases, understanding the reasoning behind that decision may provide some powerful arguments). Much of your other advice (ie. quickstart) is completely in line with our preexisting plans; thanks again for answering. (As for some of the items you're curious about -- such as our staff-to-server ratio -- I'm not entirely comfortable discussing all of that on an archived list; perhaps on IRC). -- gentoo-server@gentoo.org mailing list