From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GDfx8-0000Np-K9 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:22:23 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k7HBLqwv012537; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:21:52 GMT Received: from smtp2.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (smtp2.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.185.218]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7HBJoXx009322 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:19:52 GMT Received: from [172.20.9.11] (cobz011.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de [172.20.9.11]) by smtp2.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtp (Exim 4.50 #1) id 1GDfuf-0007m4-Rx; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:19:49 +0200 Message-ID: <44E450F3.1060505@jonasfietz.de> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:20:19 +0200 From: Jonas Fietz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060801) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-server@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-server@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-server@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: baselayout was Re: [gentoo-server] Stable portage tree References: <200608160906.34604.jan.meier@zmnh.uni-hamburg.de> <44E37040.4060105@fixe-post.de> <44E386FD.9090807@hyperreal.org> In-Reply-To: <44E386FD.9090807@hyperreal.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 3ca0332f-d22b-4567-a68a-942cf6d25682 X-Archives-Hash: 80f1ed627fc5ed77536c17cab610771f Hi > are a pain. I had to reboot a system that hadn't been booted in > about a year and the modules didn't load because of the changes to > modules.autoload. I've had to clean up Apache conf files 'cause they > moved. I've had to deal with moving to the new "modular" xorg (and > try to hunt down all the X tools I used to have). Not to mention > the baselayout changes... Well, Xorg was an upstream decision, the config-files for apache where simply wrong before, so that had to be fixed, and about the changes in modules.autoload, i am not so sure. But to the people needing a stable portage tree: It is really a totally different ideology which is somewhat diametral to what gentoo does. Gentoo does _not_ have real releases, which some people, me included, think is a good thing. Also, i think if the security-fixes are just backported, I personally believe that unless there are many people helping with the effort there will be more bugs introduced by this, as most of the time the codes might not know the code base as well. Also, you are complaining about the long list of updates when doing a -u somewhat. Those are _real_ dependencies, even if they were just imagined by some hallucinating gentoo dev ;). So normally there would not be a way around installing them. But on an infrastructure as big as some are talking about here, there usually are few types of servers, so that it can be tested anyway. And maybe, those types of companies should be more willing to spend a few bucks to the gentoo project, maybe about the new "adopt a gentoo-dev"-page. Ok, ranted enough ;) Jonas Fietz DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT A GENTOO DEV -- gentoo-server@gentoo.org mailing list