RE: [gentoo-server] webmail software

RE: [gentoo-server] webmail software

[Jesse, Rich]

I had been using Squirrelmail for about two years and I decided I wanted
a little more integration with a calendar and addressbook and a
"prettier" or slightly more intuitive interface for my not-so-tecchie
wife.  And from a security standpoint, I require the wonderful ability
of Squirrelmail (can't remember if it's a plugin) to ignore downloading
external images, whose URLs can be encoded for spam lists.  Well so far,
I haven't found it.

I've tried Horde IMP, eGroupware, MoreGroupware, and a couple other
PHP-based ones and I prefer the speed and relative safety of
Squirrelmail.  After the rather heavy emerge of Horde and a config I
couldn't find a way to integrate the addressbook with it's email.  That
would seem to be pretty important, so I'm thinking it's something I'm
missing, but if something that necessary/basic is that difficult, it's a
red flag to me.

eGroupware's nice enough, but I don't like how it pulls external links
in via e-mail.  It's FeLaMiMail doesn't allow that, but that's also
lacking some basic functionality (e.g. ability to move a message to
another folder while viewing the message).  And FeLaMiMail doesn't play
nice with eG's built-in mail, at least with UW's IMAP and mbox (I'll
stand by while I'm ripped on for that decision ;).  Also, eG apparently
requires "mbstring.func_overload = 7" in the php.ini, which breaks other
PHP-based products I have, like Drupal.

I installed MoreGroupware, but for the life of me can't recall even what
it looks like.  I seem to remember some addressbook integration issues
or something, but don't quote me on that.  I'm guessing I wasn't
impressed...

I'm probably going back to Squirrelmail if I can get it to talk with
PostgreSQL properly (easier and more flexible setup, backup, and
recovery than MySQL).  In the meantime, I'd like to find another
web-mail alternative, preferrably in PHP so I can fix/improve some minor
things myself and because it's much "lighter" than Java (still haven't
found any Java-based program worth the hassle other than maybe Azureus).
I would like to try even something heavy like SuSE/Novell's OpenXchange,
but am a little hesitant to try Tomcat on my li'l home server with only
384MB of RAM...

If you find something "better" than Squirrelmail, let us know!

Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: xyon [mailto:xyon@indigorobot.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 6:43 AM
To: gentoo-server@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-server] webmail software


I agree (about "better"), I should've been a bit more descriptive.

The only reason I haven't checked out horde-imp is there are so many
dependencies for it. Is it worth loading all that PEAR stuff?

Thanks for the suggestion!

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Re: [gentoo-server] webmail software

[Jeremy Brake]

I've also found Squirrelmail the most practical so far (despite a couple 
of minor niggles with it)
I've tried Imp3 a couple of times so far, but had issues with it, and 
got really annoyed at the lack of a folder list on the left (when I 
managed to get it to find my sub-folders)
I know the latest version of Imp has included the folder lists, and 
people are saying theres some speedups, which is great.. except its 
masked.. and i'm not too comfortable installing untested web applications.
Has anyone done a decent (independant) review of the latest Imp code? 
Could I feel safe installing it - from a security perspective?
Has anyone written a script or process for moving squirrelmail 
preferences and addressbooks (stored in MySQL) to Imp3?

Seeing as anyone hasnt mentioned it yet.. DONT consider SQWebMail. I've 
been forced to use it for certain mailboxes on a different server for 
the last couple of years, and it really is awful. Your users will hate you.
Theres also IlohaMail, but i wasnt overly impressed with that - I cant 
remember why. I've seen a few pretty webmail apps around, but most of 
them are still so early in production I dont feel comfortable trying them.

Jeremy B

Jesse, Rich wrote:

>I had been using Squirrelmail for about two years and I decided I wanted
>a little more integration with a calendar and addressbook and a
>"prettier" or slightly more intuitive interface for my not-so-tecchie
>wife.  And from a security standpoint, I require the wonderful ability
>of Squirrelmail (can't remember if it's a plugin) to ignore downloading
>external images, whose URLs can be encoded for spam lists.  Well so far,
>I haven't found it.
>
>I've tried Horde IMP, eGroupware, MoreGroupware, and a couple other
>PHP-based ones and I prefer the speed and relative safety of
>Squirrelmail.  After the rather heavy emerge of Horde and a config I
>couldn't find a way to integrate the addressbook with it's email.  That
>would seem to be pretty important, so I'm thinking it's something I'm
>missing, but if something that necessary/basic is that difficult, it's a
>red flag to me.
>
>eGroupware's nice enough, but I don't like how it pulls external links
>in via e-mail.  It's FeLaMiMail doesn't allow that, but that's also
>lacking some basic functionality (e.g. ability to move a message to
>another folder while viewing the message).  And FeLaMiMail doesn't play
>nice with eG's built-in mail, at least with UW's IMAP and mbox (I'll
>stand by while I'm ripped on for that decision ;).  Also, eG apparently
>requires "mbstring.func_overload = 7" in the php.ini, which breaks other
>PHP-based products I have, like Drupal.
>
>I installed MoreGroupware, but for the life of me can't recall even what
>it looks like.  I seem to remember some addressbook integration issues
>or something, but don't quote me on that.  I'm guessing I wasn't
>impressed...
>
>I'm probably going back to Squirrelmail if I can get it to talk with
>PostgreSQL properly (easier and more flexible setup, backup, and
>recovery than MySQL).  In the meantime, I'd like to find another
>web-mail alternative, preferrably in PHP so I can fix/improve some minor
>things myself and because it's much "lighter" than Java (still haven't
>found any Java-based program worth the hassle other than maybe Azureus).
>I would like to try even something heavy like SuSE/Novell's OpenXchange,
>but am a little hesitant to try Tomcat on my li'l home server with only
>384MB of RAM...
>
>If you find something "better" than Squirrelmail, let us know!
>
>Rich
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: xyon [mailto:xyon@indigorobot.com] 
>Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 6:43 AM
>To: gentoo-server@lists.gentoo.org
>Subject: Re: [gentoo-server] webmail software
>
>
>I agree (about "better"), I should've been a bit more descriptive.
>
>The only reason I haven't checked out horde-imp is there are so many
>dependencies for it. Is it worth loading all that PEAR stuff?
>
>Thanks for the suggestion!
>
>  
>

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[gentoo-server] Apache configs? whats going on?

[Jeremy Brake]

Hey All,

I've been plodding through all the official docs, and came across the 
"Upgrade Apache" doc, here:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/apache-upgrading.xml

This was probably all answered at the time, but I wasnt on the list to 
see it.
When did this change get announced?
What will happen if I dont revert back to an httpd.conf setup? ( I'm 
running 2.0.54-r8 )

Are there any slightly more verbose instructions for this? :
" If you have made changes to the previous default apache.conf and 
commonapache.conf you will need to migrate your changes to 
/etc/apache{|2}/httpd.conf. Also configuration locations for modules and 
virtual hosts have changed -- they are now located in 
/etc/apache2/modules.d and /etc/apache2/vhosts.d respectively."

..changes? I spent hours changing little bits and pieces, and I dont see 
an httpd.conf file anywhere. o_O
Will this do it?:
 cat /etc/apache2/conf/apache.conf > /etc/apache2/conf/httpd.conf
 cat /etc/apache2/conf/commonapache.conf >> /etc/apache2/conf/httpd.conf
 mv /etc/apache2/conf/apache.conf /etc/apache2/conf/old_apache.conf
 mv /etc/apache2/conf/commonapache.conf 
/etc/apache2/conf/old_commonapache.conf
/etc/init.d/apache2 restart

Cheers
Jeremy B
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Re: [gentoo-server] Apache configs? whats going on?

[Michael Stewart (vericgar)]

Jeremy Brake wrote:
> Hey All,
> 
> I've been plodding through all the official docs, and came across the 
> "Upgrade Apache" doc, here:
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/apache-upgrading.xml
> 
> This was probably all answered at the time, but I wasnt on the list to 
> see it.
> When did this change get announced?
> What will happen if I dont revert back to an httpd.conf setup? ( I'm 
> running 2.0.54-r8 )

This document doesn't apply to you, yet.
The document applies to upgrading to what is currently unstable apache 
(2.0.54-r10 and above). In the next few weeks this will move into 
stable, and these instructions will need to be followed to upgrade 
without breaking your apache.

If you want to test the new-style apache, follow the instructions in 
that document starting at the top (including the part about 
package.keywords). If you run into problems, e-mail here, or join us on 
IRC irc.freenode.net #gentoo-apache

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