[gentoo-server] webmail software

[gentoo-server] webmail software

[Michael Irey]

Hi everyone, I am reviewing webmail software to be be installed in a high use 
production environment.  The mail server is qmail with vpopmail. 

I am looking for:
 * stability
 * security
 * speed
 * ability to change the look and feel
 * overall features

The ones I have reviewed so far are horde/imp, squirrelmail, and DWmail.

Any suggestions would be great.

Thank you.


Michael Irey
System Administrator
Portland, Oregon
http://www.sightworks.com



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Re: [gentoo-server] webmail software

[Jeff Rooney]

Michael Irey wrote:

>Hi everyone, I am reviewing webmail software to be be installed in a high use 
>production environment.  The mail server is qmail with vpopmail. 
>
>I am looking for:
> * stability
> * security
> * speed
> * ability to change the look and feel
> * overall features
>
>The ones I have reviewed so far are horde/imp, squirrelmail, and DWmail.
>
>Any suggestions would be great.
>
>Thank you.
>
>
>Michael Irey
>System Administrator
>Portland, Oregon
>http://www.sightworks.com
>
>
>
>  
>
Personally, I'm a big fan of the horde/imp combo, mostly for its 
features, speed, and stability. The horde group also has a solid support 
group in the event that you have any questions.

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Re: [gentoo-server] webmail software

[kashani]

Michael Irey wrote:
> Hi everyone, I am reviewing webmail software to be be installed in a high use 
> production environment.  The mail server is qmail with vpopmail. 
> 
> I am looking for:
>  * stability
>  * security
>  * speed
>  * ability to change the look and feel
>  * overall features
> 
> The ones I have reviewed so far are horde/imp, squirrelmail, and DWmail.

	My old virtual system was running Squirrelmail, but on the new system 
we're running both Squirrel and Horde/IMP. Most customers seem to like 
the IMP interface better and its HTML mail support seems to work unlike 
SM. We will likely drop SM at some point in the future.
	If you do install both even if just for testing you should modify the 
preferences so that IMP and SM use the same folders. By default IMP uses 
sent-mail, drafts, and a trash folder feature is not on. I changed that 
to Sent, Drafts, and turned on Trash so that users switching between 
Thunderbird, SM, and IMP had the same folder setup. You'll also need to 
turn on HTML mail display in one of the conf files as well in IMP.
	I do find the folder setup in IMP a little funky to browse through, but 
that's really my only major complaint so far.

kashani
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Re: [gentoo-server] webmail software

[Pierre Cassimans]

>From: kashani <kashani-list@badapple.net>
>Reply-To: gentoo-server@lists.gentoo.org
>To: gentoo-server@lists.gentoo.org
>Subject: Re: [gentoo-server] webmail software
>Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:29:46 -0500
>
>Michael Irey wrote:
>>Hi everyone, I am reviewing webmail software to be be installed in a high 
>>use production environment.  The mail server is qmail with vpopmail.
>>
>>I am looking for:
>>  * stability
>>  * security
>>  * speed
>>  * ability to change the look and feel
>>  * overall features
>>
>>The ones I have reviewed so far are horde/imp, squirrelmail, and DWmail.
>
>	My old virtual system was running Squirrelmail, but on the new system 
>we're running both Squirrel and Horde/IMP. Most customers seem to like the 
>IMP interface better and its HTML mail support seems to work unlike SM. We 
>will likely drop SM at some point in the future.
>	If you do install both even if just for testing you should modify the 
>preferences so that IMP and SM use the same folders. By default IMP uses 
>sent-mail, drafts, and a trash folder feature is not on. I changed that to 
>Sent, Drafts, and turned on Trash so that users switching between 
>Thunderbird, SM, and IMP had the same folder setup. You'll also need to 
>turn on HTML mail display in one of the conf files as well in IMP.
>	I do find the folder setup in IMP a little funky to browse through, but 
>that's really my only major complaint so far.
>
>kashani
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which version of Horde/Imp have you running? I have Imp 4.0.3 running and 
i'm feeling a big performance hit with this version over the old 3.x ones. 
Is there a big speed difference between SM and Horde/Imp?

Pierre Cassimans

Pierre Cassimans


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Re: [gentoo-server] webmail software

[A. Khattri]

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005, Michael Irey wrote:

> Hi everyone, I am reviewing webmail software to be be installed in a high use
> production environment.  The mail server is qmail with vpopmail.
>
> I am looking for:
>  * stability
>  * security
>  * speed
>  * ability to change the look and feel
>  * overall features

We are using squirrelmail to serve about 3100 accounts. Similar to your
setup (qmail + vpopmail) - the only difference being that we have almost
everything in a MySQL database (incl. SM preferences, address books, etc).


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Re: [gentoo-server] webmail software

[Patrick McLean]

Michael Irey wrote:
> Hi everyone, I am reviewing webmail software to be be installed in a high use 
> production environment.  The mail server is qmail with vpopmail. 
> 
> I am looking for:
>  * stability
>  * security
>  * speed
>  * ability to change the look and feel
>  * overall features
> 
> The ones I have reviewed so far are horde/imp, squirrelmail, and DWmail.
> 
> Any suggestions would be great.

We are using squirrelmail with courier-imap to serve ~5000 users, it's 
working great, haven't had any signifigant problems that I know of. (I 
am not the administrator of the webmail, one of my coworkers deals with 
that)

I do administer a small mail server with squirrelmail, it works great 
but we only have about 50 users on it. (though it is a Dual Pentium Pro 200)
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Re: [gentoo-server] webmail software

[Joby Walker]

I've been using squirrelmail for a few years to provide webmail for my
users (mostly friends), and in general it is pretty popular.  There is
also a large number of plugins to provide additional functionality
beyond just webmail.

Joby Walker
PGP key: https://staff.washington.edu/joby/joby-h-pub.asc


Patrick McLean wrote:
> Michael Irey wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone, I am reviewing webmail software to be be installed in a
>> high use production environment.  The mail server is qmail with vpopmail.
>> I am looking for:
>>  * stability
>>  * security
>>  * speed
>>  * ability to change the look and feel
>>  * overall features
>>
>> The ones I have reviewed so far are horde/imp, squirrelmail, and DWmail.
>>
>> Any suggestions would be great.
> 
> 
> We are using squirrelmail with courier-imap to serve ~5000 users, it's
> working great, haven't had any signifigant problems that I know of. (I
> am not the administrator of the webmail, one of my coworkers deals with
> that)
> 
> I do administer a small mail server with squirrelmail, it works great
> but we only have about 50 users on it. (though it is a Dual Pentium Pro
> 200)
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Re: [gentoo-server] webmail software

[Tim Igoe]

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Patrick McLean wrote:
> Michael Irey wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone, I am reviewing webmail software to be be installed in a
>> high use production environment.  The mail server is qmail with vpopmail.
>> I am looking for:
>>  * stability
>>  * security
>>  * speed
>>  * ability to change the look and feel
>>  * overall features
>>
>> The ones I have reviewed so far are horde/imp, squirrelmail, and DWmail.
>>
>> Any suggestions would be great.
> 

Try looking into Horde (and Horde-imp which is the mail module for horde).

I use this system on a few servers I admin - its gone down well with all
the users, especially when I added the extra modules like tasks, notes,
address book, calendar

I especially like the front page when you login - customisable with
blocks of information from the above sections and also rss feeds.

> 
> We are using squirrelmail with courier-imap to serve ~5000 users, it's
> working great, haven't had any signifigant problems that I know of. (I
> am not the administrator of the webmail, one of my coworkers deals with
> that)
> 
> I do administer a small mail server with squirrelmail, it works great
> but we only have about 50 users on it. (though it is a Dual Pentium Pro
> 200)

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[gentoo-server] Imaging software for a production server

[Luca Dell'Oca]

Hi all,
I have a couple of gentoo servers that I cannot shutdown for 
maintenance. In the past, I've used Acronis trueimage on my windows 
machines in order to create images of the drives, and I love the fact I 
do not need to shutdown the machine to create the image, and the image 
can be saved on the same partition I'm ghosting.
I've tried several program for linux, but none of them seem to have the 
same features: partimage can backup live systems, but it cannot create 
the file on the same partition I'm ghosting and it creates different 
files for every partition, and all the other softwares have their own 
liveCD to boot from, but in this way I have to shutdown the server.

Acronis has a linux version of trueimage, but it needs X to run, and I 
do not want to install it on a mail or web server, and gentoo is not 
supported, so I think it could be a PITA to install it.

Any suggestion, maybe also some script able to copy also the mbr?

Thanks,
Luca, Italy
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Re: [gentoo-server] Imaging software for a production server

[Marton Gabor]

Hi!

Maybe you could use 'dd if=/dev/hdx of=/path/to/destination/file' or 
something similar though you have to choose another partition for the image.

Marton Gabor
<gabor.marton@vehok.vein.hu>,<ICQ UIN: 169394884>,<T: +36 30 447-2042>
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Luca Dell'Oca wrote:

> Hi all,
> I have a couple of gentoo servers that I cannot shutdown for 
> maintenance. In the past, I've used Acronis trueimage on my windows 
> machines in order to create images of the drives, and I love the fact 
> I do not need to shutdown the machine to create the image, and the 
> image can be saved on the same partition I'm ghosting.
> I've tried several program for linux, but none of them seem to have 
> the same features: partimage can backup live systems, but it cannot 
> create the file on the same partition I'm ghosting and it creates 
> different files for every partition, and all the other softwares have 
> their own liveCD to boot from, but in this way I have to shutdown the 
> server.
>
> Acronis has a linux version of trueimage, but it needs X to run, and I 
> do not want to install it on a mail or web server, and gentoo is not 
> supported, so I think it could be a PITA to install it.
>
> Any suggestion, maybe also some script able to copy also the mbr?
>
> Thanks,
> Luca, Italy


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Re: [gentoo-server] Imaging software for a production server

[Kirk Hoganson]

I use mkcdrec to make backups of my production servers.  It works well 
for our purposes.  It doesn't make an exact image, but it makes a 
bootable iso that can be used to restore everything on the system.

Luca Dell'Oca said the following:
> Hi all,
> I have a couple of gentoo servers that I cannot shutdown for 
> maintenance. In the past, I've used Acronis trueimage on my windows 
> machines in order to create images of the drives, and I love the fact I 
> do not need to shutdown the machine to create the image, and the image 
> can be saved on the same partition I'm ghosting.
> I've tried several program for linux, but none of them seem to have the 
> same features: partimage can backup live systems, but it cannot create 
> the file on the same partition I'm ghosting and it creates different 
> files for every partition, and all the other softwares have their own 
> liveCD to boot from, but in this way I have to shutdown the server.
> 
> Acronis has a linux version of trueimage, but it needs X to run, and I 
> do not want to install it on a mail or web server, and gentoo is not 
> supported, so I think it could be a PITA to install it.
> 
> Any suggestion, maybe also some script able to copy also the mbr?
> 
> Thanks,
> Luca, Italy
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Re: [gentoo-server] Imaging software for a production server

[Matthias Bethke]

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Hi Marton,
on Friday, 2005-09-02 at 12:40:06, you wrote:
> Maybe you could use 'dd if=/dev/hdx of=/path/to/destination/file' or 
> something similar though you have to choose another partition for the image.

Don't do that. It will appear to work but usually introduces subtle
inconsistencies in the FS structure that fsck may or may not catch,
especially when there's constant FS activity like on a mail server. This
is only safe for partitions that are mounted read-only.
I haven't done anything like this, and I'd think it's not really
necessary when you have several machines available anyway (each usually
with several partitions, unlike Windows where that's a necessary
feature) but I'd suggest dump(1). dump can exclude inodes, so something
like

touch dumpfile
dump -f- -e$(ls -i dumpfile | sed 's/ [[:alpha:]]\+//') /some/mount/point

should do roughly what you want. If you use EXT[23] FS that is...

regards
	Matthias
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Re: [gentoo-server] Imaging software for a production server

[Michael Irey]

I was looking for the same thing you are trying todo last week. I used 
partimage and was not happy with it, so I just used tar, and why not? Its 
tried and true, and I think its about 30 years old. 

I use this for our production mail (qmail) server.  I have tested by fdisking 
the whole drive and restoring.  I had no problems or errors using the 
restored server. These are the steps I took. Modify for your needs.

-- To Backup

1) save metadata about how the disk is partitioned.
  
   # sfdisk -l > /etc/partition.bak
   # cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.bak


2) back up master boot record (MBR)
   
   # dd if=/dev/sda of=/etc/mbr.bak bs=512 count=1


3) back up the operating system:
   
   # mount /boot  ## if its not already
   # cd /
   # tar zcvf - . --exclude='./proc' --exclude='./sys' 
--exclude='./lost+found' | ssh some_host "cat > backup_server.tar.gz"   


-- To Restore

1) boot live cd


2) partition drive(s)

   # ssh backupserver 'cat /etc/partition.bak' 
     Disk /dev/sda: 9729 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track
     Units = cylinders of 8225280 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting 
from 0
                                     
        Device Boot Start     End   #cyls    #blocks   Id  System
     /dev/sda1   *      0+      8       9-     72261   83  Linux
     /dev/sda2          9     133     125    1004062+  82  Linux swap / 
Solaris
     /dev/sda3        134    9728    9595   77071837+  83  Linux
     /dev/sda4          0       -       0          0    0  Empty


   # sfdisk /dev/sda << EOF
   0,9,83,*
   9,125,82
   134,9595,83
   ,,0;
   EOF
     notes:
       sfdisk reads lines of the form <start> <size> <id> <bootable> 
<c,h,s> <c,h,s> 
       where each line fills one partition descriptor.


3) create file systems
   
   # mke2fs /dev/sda1
   # mke2fs -j /dev/sda3
   # mkswap /dev/sda2

   # mkdir /mnt/gentoo
   # mkdir /mnt/gentoo/boot
   
   # swapon /dev/sda2
   # mount -t ext3 /dev/sda3 /mnt/gentoo
   # mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/gentoo/boot

4) restore OS and data

   # cd /mnt/gentoo 
   # ssh target "cat filename.tar.bz2" | tar zpvxf -
       -j   Decompress with bzip2
       -p   Preserve permissions
       -v   Verbose
       -x   Extract
       -f   File

5) create proc and sys
 
  # mkdir /proc
  # mkdir /sys

6) restore MBR
   
   # dd if=/mnt/gentoo/etc/mbr.bak of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1
     notes:
       one could run grub-install --no-floppy /dev/sda instead.

7) reboot

--end

Michael Irey
System Administrator
................................................
SightWorks, Inc.
Portland, Oregon  
 
Web: http://www.sightworks.com
SightWorks : Creative Internet Technologies



On Friday 02 September 2005 02:16 am, Luca Dell'Oca wrote:
> Hi all,
> I have a couple of gentoo servers that I cannot shutdown for
> maintenance. In the past, I've used Acronis trueimage on my windows
> machines in order to create images of the drives, and I love the fact I
> do not need to shutdown the machine to create the image, and the image
> can be saved on the same partition I'm ghosting.
> I've tried several program for linux, but none of them seem to have the
> same features: partimage can backup live systems, but it cannot create
> the file on the same partition I'm ghosting and it creates different
> files for every partition, and all the other softwares have their own
> liveCD to boot from, but in this way I have to shutdown the server.
>
> Acronis has a linux version of trueimage, but it needs X to run, and I
> do not want to install it on a mail or web server, and gentoo is not
> supported, so I think it could be a PITA to install it.
>
> Any suggestion, maybe also some script able to copy also the mbr?
>
> Thanks,
> Luca, Italy
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Re: [gentoo-server] Imaging software for a production server

[Joey]

Michael Irey wrote:

>I was looking for the same thing you are trying todo last week. I used 
>partimage and was not happy with it, so I just used tar, and why not? Its 
>tried and true, and I think its about 30 years old. 
>
>  
>
Almost like the Gentoo stage4
http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Custom_Stage4

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=937805#937805
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Re: [gentoo-server] Imaging software for a production server

[David Miller]

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If you're running LVM2 could you just make a temporary snapshot and then 
archive that and then remove the snapshot? I run lvm2 but I've never messed 
with it's snapshot ability.
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On 9/6/05, Joey <japanoy@loyolaplans.com> wrote:
> 
> Michael Irey wrote:
> 
> >I was looking for the same thing you are trying todo last week. I used
> >partimage and was not happy with it, so I just used tar, and why not? Its
> >tried and true, and I think its about 30 years old.
> >
> >
> >
> Almost like the Gentoo stage4
> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Custom_Stage4
> 
> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=937805#937805
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Re: [gentoo-server] Imaging software for a production server

[Luca Dell'Oca]

Matthias Bethke wrote:
> Don't do that. It will appear to work but usually introduces subtle
> inconsistencies in the FS structure that fsck may or may not catch,
> especially when there's constant FS activity like on a mail server. This
> is only safe for partitions that are mounted read-only.
> I haven't done anything like this, and I'd think it's not really
> necessary when you have several machines available anyway (each usually
> with several partitions, unlike Windows where that's a necessary
> feature) but I'd suggest dump(1). dump can exclude inodes, so something
> like
> 
> touch dumpfile
> dump -f- -e$(ls -i dumpfile | sed 's/ [[:alpha:]]\+//') /some/mount/point
> 
> should do roughly what you want. If you use EXT[23] FS that is...

Uhm, no, I'm using ReiserFS, it's the same xyntax? Or maybe dump does 
not work with reiser file system?

Regards, Luca.
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Re: [gentoo-server] Imaging software for a production server

[Matthias Bethke]

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Hi Luca,
on Wednesday, 2005-09-07 at 10:33:44, you wrote:
> >touch dumpfile
> >dump -f- -e$(ls -i dumpfile | sed 's/ [[:alpha:]]\+//') /some/mount/point
> >
> >should do roughly what you want. If you use EXT[23] FS that is...
> 
> Uhm, no, I'm using ReiserFS, it's the same xyntax? Or maybe dump does 
> not work with reiser file system?

No, it's FS specific. I just checked
http://www.namesys.com/faq.html#dumprestoretar, and it tells you to use
gnutar. Should be fine as well if you don't need a bit-for-bit image of
the original FS, which dump wouldn't give you either. gnutar's option
you're looking for is --exclude.

regards
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Re: [gentoo-server] webmail software

[Radu Herinean]

i've seen some big fat warnings about multiple vulnerabilities in the horde 
framework.  is that an old status that is no longer valid?

to also give some value to my posting: i am also looking into this matter, 
but i am looking for an alternative to SM.
so far i found http://ilohamail.org/ and openwebmail (masked in portage) 
that are worth considering.
iloha seems faster, i will have to check how it performs when used for all 
the domains hosted on that server.

regards.

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From: "Pierre Cassimans" <kammicazze@hotmail.com>
To: <gentoo-server@lists.gentoo.org>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [gentoo-server] webmail software


>
>
>
>>From: kashani <kashani-list@badapple.net>
>>Reply-To: gentoo-server@lists.gentoo.org
>>To: gentoo-server@lists.gentoo.org
>>Subject: Re: [gentoo-server] webmail software
>>Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:29:46 -0500
>>
>>Michael Irey wrote:
>>>Hi everyone, I am reviewing webmail software to be be installed in a high 
>>>use production environment.  The mail server is qmail with vpopmail.
>>>
>>>I am looking for:
>>>  * stability
>>>  * security
>>>  * speed
>>>  * ability to change the look and feel
>>>  * overall features
>>>
>>>The ones I have reviewed so far are horde/imp, squirrelmail, and DWmail.
>>
>> My old virtual system was running Squirrelmail, but on the new system 
>> we're running both Squirrel and Horde/IMP. Most customers seem to like 
>> the IMP interface better and its HTML mail support seems to work unlike 
>> SM. We will likely drop SM at some point in the future.
>> If you do install both even if just for testing you should modify the 
>> preferences so that IMP and SM use the same folders. By default IMP uses 
>> sent-mail, drafts, and a trash folder feature is not on. I changed that 
>> to Sent, Drafts, and turned on Trash so that users switching between 
>> Thunderbird, SM, and IMP had the same folder setup. You'll also need to 
>> turn on HTML mail display in one of the conf files as well in IMP.
>> I do find the folder setup in IMP a little funky to browse through, but 
>> that's really my only major complaint so far.
>>
>>kashani
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>>
>
> which version of Horde/Imp have you running? I have Imp 4.0.3 running and 
> i'm feeling a big performance hit with this version over the old 3.x ones. 
> Is there a big speed difference between SM and Horde/Imp?
>
> Pierre Cassimans
>
> Pierre Cassimans
>
>
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> 

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Re: [gentoo-server] webmail software

[Dan Noe]

On Sun, Nov 20, 2005 at 08:56:02PM +0200, Radu Herinean wrote:
> to also give some value to my posting: i am also looking into this matter, 
> but i am looking for an alternative to SM.
> so far i found http://ilohamail.org/ and openwebmail (masked in portage) 
> that are worth considering.
> iloha seems faster, i will have to check how it performs when used for all 
> the domains hosted on that server.

http://www.roundcube.net/ is a new project that shows significant
promise.

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Re: [gentoo-server] webmail software

[Craig Webster]

On 20 Nov 2005, at 18:59, Dan Noe wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2005 at 08:56:02PM +0200, Radu Herinean wrote:
>> to also give some value to my posting: i am also looking into this  
>> matter,
>> but i am looking for an alternative to SM.
>> so far i found http://ilohamail.org/ and openwebmail (masked in  
>> portage)
>> that are worth considering.
>> iloha seems faster, i will have to check how it performs when used  
>> for all
>> the domains hosted on that server.
> http://www.roundcube.net/ is a new project that shows significant
> promise.

I'll second roundcube. It's not perfect yet, but it's getting there  
pretty fast :)

We set it up as the default webmail client for Xeriom hosting and the  
general response has been "OOO SHINY!!!"

Yours,
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Re: [gentoo-server] webmail software

[Chris]

Craig Webster wrote:

> On 20 Nov 2005, at 18:59, Dan Noe wrote:
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>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2005 at 08:56:02PM +0200, Radu Herinean wrote:
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>>> to also give some value to my posting: i am also looking into this 
>>> matter,
>>> but i am looking for an alternative to SM. 
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> We set it up as the default webmail client for Xeriom hosting and the 
> general response has been "OOO SHINY!!!"
>
http://www.zimbra.com/

looks very shiny too and i really like xtreme js, but have not tested
this one yet...

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Re: [gentoo-server] webmail software

[Craig Webster]

On 20 Nov 2005, at 20:15, Chris wrote:
> Craig Webster wrote:
>> We set it up as the default webmail client for Xeriom hosting and the
>> general response has been "OOO SHINY!!!"
> http://www.zimbra.com/
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> looks very shiny too and i really like xtreme js, but have not tested
> this one yet...

Yea, Zimbra is a lot more feature-complete. We weren't looking to  
provide eg the calendar stuff; we just wanted an easy to use  
interface to the email accounts. Plus it looks quite a lot like the  
Apple Mail interface which is quite nice :)

Yours,
Craig
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