From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SCHCq-0005zF-9u for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:12:00 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CA119E06B0; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm25.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm25.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.222]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DF632E0618 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:11:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.52.193] by nm25.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2012 21:11:24 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.128] by tm6.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2012 21:11:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2012 21:11:24 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 495458.51095.bm@omp1011.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 21828 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Mar 2012 21:11:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1332796284; bh=Ku3U7oic0jMMxjaf7Po1EW7x/KXSHusfNbuqTIhSH8k=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hk4/rLvZy8CmGtNVGKEzqAlJ1Dco/PpjfeKhICG0eUwcU/YQY5cg9Q5purKfD24IbF5XJaYL7DQ9lqccI2DeTeDTktbglxV95Blmh0583JQzzK4PxOxm0RYNnMgzhUo8pURjCwauwbWFqQfJd8VQ+G82d5x7mW6byJRbnvwP1EY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oB2VyXKs77+PRY7qz9su2qZo2fEWd92fXaghF+FluEAmPMR2dpKfGfs/Ymz87jLQIsRAn/tOl8ltZPVbi2JO9ig0OSNDjZzDtwyabV+Mz0WFoKlcZ0PuLoC+FrQgK/UlK2yDYaN0Ck9CWWoAGM5KB9PR+/lpKqMPhdJxJpoRH/8=; X-YMail-OSG: YXcYdTMVM1k_mb1rX5gMrXTKa_EjOFl7OW8zUeknj9FWpci .YAFs02x9iyWuJ8c_ZWkel7diFLIMMiQUmaYNkVBLlPRxljsa6d8OS6w2muq iMsyesLgjxz8dScwcLIozFVX5CtxHcc9YWRYD8Pk27XGkVCG635_oMBUvsYC mysqU7UBNlPB3509FsLADdtIIb8LKwYBzmOxs2P3srHb8mFP3lp1GSv0XCoc S.hS_aLWqc1Ic4Skhqjuokhz.epLi8oCbexKGedXuJEW66JAro8zUcLimzk6 KxzjC4178nZKNn9XVY9TGkNuXK7lwyQOMizafbf8Sd45jSQU9fnsQBaRcESB Hl10OCXIKWE1DDaXfHfLY0_2cPMC5HttuMVNwhb5beYEKYhLhi1RoCAeiOKd XR3NCjULoTiA3MjOcu5lCg8m_sMHmCGcgJD1rNWC27QZ_U1Z5al32_vvVU9G 8mzQIUe86rGtt4Kyma5THemPm4ie5lt1we6TECwM- Received: from [12.52.185.66] by web39302.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:11:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <4F670C97.1080602@loginet.hu> <4F699DC3.6030805@loginet.hu> Message-ID: <1332796283.14970.YahooMailNeo@web39302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:11:23 -0700 (PDT) From: BRM Subject: Re: [gentoo-server] udev or mdev? To: "gentoo-server@lists.gentoo.org" In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-server@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-server@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 36487759-343c-4745-aa92-2ffeafec5b3e X-Archives-Hash: 0570667d5259cbb762ac69742a7caa65 > From: Pandu Poluan =0A=0A>On Mar 21, 2012 4:23 PM, "Ha= lassy Zolt=E1n" wrote:=0A>>> IMO, initramfs adds yet = another black box during server boot.=0A>> The other way around, for me at = least. I build my own initramfs, yet I don't know anything about mdev, just= the fact it's part of busybox. So for me, mdev is a black box, while my in= itramfs definitely isn't.=0A>I see. Well, different views for different peo= ple, I guess.=0A>It's easier for me to bypass mdev (if it's b0rken) than to= bypass initramfs.=0A=0A=0AAs I've had to use BusyBox extensively in some e= nvironments, I find their tools very lacking in comparison to non-BusyBox e= nvironments.=0AAs such, I've come to really hate mdev, and I'll keep udev a= round for as long as it is the "standard" or until that "standard" changes = to something better - of which, mdev it will not be.=0A=0A$0.02=0A=0ABen=0A