From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Kk3Ug-0008DK-EI for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:07:54 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 24F6CE04CB; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pcsrvc.com (saturn.pcsrvc.com [24.225.5.126]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E900EE04CB for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:07:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (mail.pcsrvc.com [10.0.0.5]) by mail.pcsrvc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7B91EEC128 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:07:51 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at pcsrvc.com Received: from mail.pcsrvc.com ([10.0.0.5]) by localhost (mail.pcsrvc.com [10.0.0.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 41EZqHzmlwlE for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:07:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (linux.homershut.net [24.225.5.125]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.pcsrvc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8591EEC11D for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:07:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-server] SPAM protection by requesting confirmation From: Homer Parker To: gentoo-server@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20080928200213.GD11402@home.power> References: <000201c91cc6$e3ef8f80$9700000a@dbshzbmemjzd2d> <48D7B8F9.8090009@gentoo.org> <200809221953.59988.bangert@gentoo.org> <20080923192534.GF1757@home.power> <48D96385.2070305@vanalteren.nl> <20080924154050.GI28730@aldous> <20080928132122.GB11402@home.power> <1222630919.7403.24.camel@laptop> <20080928200213.GD11402@home.power> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:07:49 -0500 Message-Id: <1222636069.7403.41.camel@laptop> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-server@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-server@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 05843f87-5130-46da-a53a-7d326a0645f7 X-Archives-Hash: 59d6699f05043f32e993f033226a65da On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 23:02 +0300, Alex Efros wrote: > Hi! > > On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 02:41:59PM -0500, Homer Parker wrote: > > quarantine that you can go through and look for false positives > > At first, normal mail will not be delivered timely, just because it will > be in quarantine, and usually people doesn't check quarantine even once > per day. Mine mails the lowest 100 scoring spams (I use the defaults of tag at 5, quarantine at 10.. And the end user can adjust that how they see fit) in the quarantine daily, and the subscribers appreciate looking that over rather then not having a usable Inbox. (I do domain hosting) > At second, normal mail will be lost, because while checking quarantine and > looking for false positives some normal mail will not be detected, because > it's hard enough work and people do mistakes. As it will get lost in an Inbox full of spam.. Spamassassin quarantines 2500-3000 spams a week on one of my accounts, I'd lose lots of legit email if that was in my Inbox... That said, I don't remember digging one out of the quarantine in a very long time, I do get some forwarded jokes tagged because it's been forwarded 10 times or something.. I can live with that.. > And last, if I will check quarantine every few hours, I'll handle not so > much spam messages and chances are I'll not delete normal mail by mistake. > Yeah. But, in this case, what's the difference between using tools like > SpamAssassin and not using these tools at all and still handling all these > spam mail every few hours inside "inbox" instead of "quarantine"? In my case it's a usable Inbox vs 2500-3000 spams a week clogging it up.. Spamassassin isn't a fire and forget piece of software.. You need to train bayes, keep rules updated, write rules, etc... I hear bogofilter is decent as well, might look into it.. But there's no way I could handle using email without filtering to a quarantine.. -- Homer Parker