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[Lee Bowyer]

yeah? see subject...
what a pointless list.

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Re: [gentoo-security] unsubscribe me -- I've had enough

[Jeff Smelser]

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On Thursday 11 November 2004 12:56 pm, Lee Bowyer wrote:

> yeah? see subject...
> what a pointless list.

Oh, let me get out my violin and hanky.. 

Jeff

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Re: [gentoo-security] unsubscribe me -- I've had enough

[Gary Nichols]

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Matthew Baxa wrote:

> Don't send unsubscribe requests to the list, follow the directions in the 
> headers.

<My two cents>

I think he sent it to the list as a matter of protest.

</My two cents>


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Re: [gentoo-security] unsubscribe me -- I've had enough

[Matthew Baxa]

Don't send unsubscribe requests to the list, follow the directions in 
the headers.

On Nov 11, 2004, at 12:56 PM, Lee Bowyer wrote:

> yeah? see subject...
> what a pointless list.
>
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>
> Lee Bowyer
> Lee@networkpenetration.com
> www.networkpenetration.com
>
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Re: [gentoo-security] unsubscribe me -- I've had enough

[Matthew Baxa]

I realize this, but it still was childish.   "I'm not talking to you 
any more so there!" :)

On Nov 11, 2004, at 1:19 PM, Gary Nichols wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Matthew Baxa wrote:
>
>> Don't send unsubscribe requests to the list, follow the directions in 
>> the headers.
>
> <My two cents>
>
> I think he sent it to the list as a matter of protest.
>
> </My two cents>
>
>
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[gentoo-security] Maybe a new approach?

[James Dennis]

So much of the recent chatter could've been held in irc or some other 
medium. Would it be stupid to have scheduled irc meetings at some point 
when list posting gets out of hand like this? A digest could be posted 
to the list to explain what happened in the meeting.

I primarily read this list for advisories and new ideas, but would 
prefer a list of ideas or methods be broken apart into something more 
readable and lacking flames and in fewer emails.

James

On Nov 11, 2004, at 2:19 PM, Gary Nichols wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Matthew Baxa wrote:
>
>> Don't send unsubscribe requests to the list, follow the directions in 
>> the headers.
>
> <My two cents>
>
> I think he sent it to the list as a matter of protest.
>
> </My two cents>
>
>
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>
>


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Re: [gentoo-security] Maybe a new approach?

[Jeff Smelser]

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On Thursday 11 November 2004 01:43 pm, James Dennis wrote:

> I primarily read this list for advisories and new ideas, but would
> prefer a list of ideas or methods be broken apart into something more
> readable and lacking flames and in fewer emails.

wtf did you guys think you were doing when you signed up? If you want 
announcements,  join the security announcement list.. This is for security 
related discussion.. 

From the site:
gentoo-security --  For the discussion of security issues and fixes

KEY WORD DISCUSSION.. This is friggin list..

Jeff

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Re: [gentoo-security] Maybe a new approach?

[Glen Combe]

the key word being discussion.   So we have peters fix.   are there any
others?

Kurt can you clarify this for me or give me more detail...   on what you
mean what you say below?   What is the more robust solution?  I dont recall
reading it here?

"The solution that Peter is requesting (generating hashes of files not
already hashed and then signing all Manifests/hashes) is considerably more
risky and is not something I will implement since we have a more robust,
better solution in the works already."

Thanks

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Re: [gentoo-security] Maybe a new approach?

[Kurt Lieber]

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On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 01:11:15PM -0700 or thereabouts, Glen Combe wrote:
> Kurt can you clarify this for me or give me more detail...   on what you
> mean what you say below?   What is the more robust solution?  I dont recall
> reading it here?
> 
> "The solution that Peter is requesting (generating hashes of files not
> already hashed and then signing all Manifests/hashes) is considerably more
> risky and is not something I will implement since we have a more robust,
> better solution in the works already."

It's been mentioned numerous times.  The strategic approach to fixing this
issue is taking the work we've already put into signed manifests and
extending it to cover other files as well (eclasses, profiles, etc.)  There
is an open RFE bug for this and Jason (one of our portage devs) has already
said they're working on it.  

--kurt

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Re: [gentoo-security] Maybe a new approach?

[Glen Combe]

Kurt.

Detail of time and implemention is what I have in mind.   I sense you might
have a good feel for that?   Weeks?  Months?

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Re: [gentoo-security] Maybe a new approach?

[Kurt Lieber]

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On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 01:31:14PM -0700 or thereabouts, Glen Combe wrote:
> Detail of time and implemention is what I have in mind.   I sense you might
> have a good feel for that?   Weeks?  Months?

Nope, I have no sense whatsoever, so I won't even hazard a guess.

--kurt

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Re: [gentoo-security] Maybe a new approach?

[Marius Mauch]

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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:31:14 -0700
"Glen Combe" <gcombe@co.weber.ut.us> wrote:

> Kurt.
> 
> Detail of time and implemention is what I have in mind.   I sense you
> might have a good feel for that?   Weeks?  Months?

Well, first lets see what we're still missing implementation-wise:
1) checksums/signatures for eclasses, profiles, the "scripts" dir and
maybe a few others
2) enforcement for devs to sign their packages
3) some kind of PKI for portage signing keys
4) better verification support, the current implementation has a few
problems (performance sucks and key management is almost completely
manual)
5) stuff I forgot to mention here

So now what needs to be done to fix these points:
1) a) decide how these files are to be signed/verified (one Manifest for
all eclasses, individual signatures, ...)
   b) modify repoman to work in those dirs (currently it's only for
package dirs)
2) a) ensure that *ALL* devs use repoman
   b) change repoman so only signed packages/eclasses/... are committed
3) not sure
4) a) find a way to improve gpg performance
   b) add support for 3)
5) no clue ;)

>From this list, 1a), 2a) and 3) are outside the scope of dev-portage
(well, we could make an arbitrary decision for 1a), so I can't give any
estimates for them. I also can't give any estimate for 4a) as I don't
know if that's possible or 4b) as it depends on 3). So the only points I
can give any information on are 1b) and 2b):
1b) shouldn't be too difficult although repoman is tricky piece of
software, I'd guess it would take a week or so for an initial
implementation (depends on 1a of course)
2b) Tricky to do this in a proper way. Pretty much needs real
transaction support in repoman. A 80% solution is pretty simple though
(less than a week). I'd need to go into implementation details of
repoman to completely explain this.

Marius

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RE: [gentoo-security] unsubscribe me -- I've had enough

[Giles Coochey]

> 
> I realize this, but it still was childish.   "I'm not talking to you 
> any more so there!" :)
> 

Actually, I think it's "I'm don't want to quietly listen to you anymore,
so there!"

You may as well unsubscribe me as well.




> On Nov 11, 2004, at 1:19 PM, Gary Nichols wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Matthew Baxa wrote:
> >
> >> Don't send unsubscribe requests to the list, follow the 
> directions in 
> >> the headers.
> >
> > <My two cents>
> >
> > I think he sent it to the list as a matter of protest.
> >
> > </My two cents>
> >
> >
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> 
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Re: [gentoo-security] unsubscribe me -- I've had enough

[Andrej Kacian]

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On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:53:15 -0000
"Giles Coochey" <giles.coochey@mirada-solutions.com> wrote:

> > 
> > I realize this, but it still was childish.   "I'm not talking to you 
> > any more so there!" :)
> > 
> 
> Actually, I think it's "I'm don't want to quietly listen to you anymore,
> so there!"
> 
> You may as well unsubscribe me as well.

Why would anyone waste their time by doing something you can do yourself,
for yourself?

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Re: [gentoo-security] unsubscribe me -- I've had enough

[Chris Smith]

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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:12, Andrej Kacian wrote:
> Why would anyone waste their time by doing something you can do yourself,
> for yourself?

Why did you bother flaming someone for an email sent two weeks ago? In fact, 
there is no reason for you to have said that at all.

Grow up.

Chris.

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