[gentoo-science] Gentoo Science next meeting agenda - 3) sub-herds

[gentoo-science] Gentoo Science next meeting agenda - 3) sub-herds

[Kacper Kowalik]

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I think we reached an agreement last time, i.e. merge all herds into
"sci". Should we just vote on it and make it happen?
Cheers,
Kacper



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Re: [gentoo-science] Gentoo Science next meeting agenda - 3) sub-herds

[Rafael Goncalves Martins]

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Kacper Kowalik <xarthisius@gentoo.org> wrote:
> I think we reached an agreement last time, i.e. merge all herds into
> "sci". Should we just vote on it and make it happen?

I'm not sure about which level of merging you mean. I'm only
interested in sci-electronics (that is now part of the Electronics
subrproject [1], so it have your own rules) and sci-mathematics (just
octave-related stuff), and I don't want to have my mailbox overloaded
with bug mails for science stuff that I don't care. This is the reason
why I just joined the herds, and not the science project at all.

Regards,

[1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/science/electronics/

-- 
Rafael Goncalves Martins
Gentoo Linux developer
http://rafaelmartins.eng.br/

Re: [gentoo-science] Gentoo Science next meeting agenda - 3) sub-herds

[Rafael Goncalves Martins]

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Rafael Goncalves Martins
<rafaelmartins@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Kacper Kowalik <xarthisius@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> I think we reached an agreement last time, i.e. merge all herds into
>> "sci". Should we just vote on it and make it happen?
>
> I'm not sure about which level of merging you mean. I'm only
> interested in sci-electronics (that is now part of the Electronics
> subrproject [1], so it have your own rules) and sci-mathematics (just
> octave-related stuff), and I don't want to have my mailbox overloaded
> with bug mails for science stuff that I don't care. This is the reason
> why I just joined the herds, and not the science project at all.
>
> Regards,
>
> [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/science/electronics/
>

Additionally, we didn't agreed on this in the last meeting. It was not
discussed at all, just mentioned.

-1

-- 
Rafael Goncalves Martins
Gentoo Linux developer
http://rafaelmartins.eng.br/

Re: [gentoo-science] Gentoo Science next meeting agenda - 3) sub-herds

[Thomas Beierlein]

On Sun, 5 Dec 2010 12:56:40 -0200
Rafael Goncalves Martins <rafaelmartins@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Rafael Goncalves Martins
> <rafaelmartins@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Kacper Kowalik
> > <xarthisius@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >> I think we reached an agreement last time, i.e. merge all herds
> >> into "sci". Should we just vote on it and make it happen?
> >
> > I'm not sure about which level of merging you mean. I'm only
> > interested in sci-electronics (that is now part of the Electronics
> > subrproject [1], so it have your own rules) and sci-mathematics
> > (just octave-related stuff), and I don't want to have my mailbox
> > overloaded with bug mails for science stuff that I don't care. This
> > is the reason why I just joined the herds, and not the science
> > project at all.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/science/electronics/
> >
> 
> Additionally, we didn't agreed on this in the last meeting. It was not
> discussed at all, just mentioned.

Rafael: ++

Anyway I will try to be there.

Regards,
	Thomas. 

Re: [gentoo-science] Gentoo Science next meeting agenda - 3) sub-herds

[Kacper Kowalik]

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W dniu 05.12.2010 15:56, Rafael Goncalves Martins pisze:
> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Rafael Goncalves Martins
> <rafaelmartins@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Kacper Kowalik <xarthisius@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>> I think we reached an agreement last time, i.e. merge all herds into
>>> "sci". Should we just vote on it and make it happen?
>> I'm not sure about which level of merging you mean. I'm only
>> interested in sci-electronics (that is now part of the Electronics
>> subrproject [1], so it have your own rules) and sci-mathematics (just
>> octave-related stuff), and I don't want to have my mailbox overloaded
>> with bug mails for science stuff that I don't care. This is the reason
>> why I just joined the herds, and not the science project at all.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/science/electronics/
>>
> Additionally, we didn't agreed on this in the last meeting. It was not
> discussed at all, just mentioned.
>
> -1
OK, I haven't had sci-electronics in mind to be honest :) but for the rest:
18:05 <xarthisius> !expn sci-chemistry
18:05 <willikins> sci-chemistry =
alexxy,dberkholz,markusle,phosphan,cryos,je_fro,jlec,xarthisius,
18:05 <xarthisius> !herd sci-mathematics
18:05 <willikins> (sci-mathematics) bicatali, grozin, markusle,
rafaelmartins, xarthisius
18:05 <xarthisius> !herd sci-biology
18:05 <willikins> (sci-biology) je_fro, jlec, markusle, weaver
18:06 <xarthisius> !herd sci-physics
18:06 <willikins> (sci-physics) bicatali, cryos, dilfridge, markusle,
spock, xarthisius
18:06 <xarthisius> !expn sci-physics
18:06 <willikins> sci-physics =
cryos,markusle,bicatali,xarthisius,jlec,dilfridge,
18:06 <xarthisius> !expn sci
18:06 <willikins> sci =
alexxy,george,phosphan,spock,cryos,markusle,je_fro,bicatali,jsbronder,gentoofan23,weaver,A.G.Grozin(at)inp.nsk.su,jlec,xarthisius,tomjbe,scarabeus,dilfridge,

As we can see
 * sci-physics \in sci
 * sci-chemistry \in sci (except Donnie)
 * sci-biology \in sci
 * sci-mathematics \in sci (except Rafael)

Cheers,
Kacper




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Re: [gentoo-science] Gentoo Science next meeting agenda - 3) sub-herds

[Sébastien Fabbro]

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Kacper Kowalik wrote:

> As we can see
>  * sci-physics \in sci
>  * sci-chemistry \in sci (except Donnie)
>  * sci-biology \in sci
>  * sci-mathematics \in sci (except Rafael)

Splitting herds is not only be about email receiving which can be
easily turned on by adding an email to the alias or turned off with
procmail rules.
I was thinking also about web page, profiles, and may be as Rafael
showed it would create a sense of more accessible community. I can see
how people might discard the possibility of devship by seeing a few
hundreds packages and bugs in one giant herd. 

For those of us interested in all science packages, we could simply put
sci as alias of all sci sub herds, or even create QA sci.

--
Sébastien

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Re: [gentoo-science] Gentoo Science next meeting agenda - 3) sub-herds

[Kacper Kowalik]

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W dniu 05.12.2010 20:57, Sébastien Fabbro pisze:
> Kacper Kowalik wrote:
>
>> As we can see
>>  * sci-physics \in sci
>>  * sci-chemistry \in sci (except Donnie)
>>  * sci-biology \in sci
>>  * sci-mathematics \in sci (except Rafael)
> Splitting herds is not only be about email receiving which can be
> easily turned on by adding an email to the alias or turned off with
> procmail rules.
> I was thinking also about web page, profiles, and may be as Rafael
> showed it would create a sense of more accessible community. I can see
> how people might discard the possibility of devship by seeing a few
> hundreds packages and bugs in one giant herd. 
I wasn't showing the emails, just people who look after those packages.
The number of herds is the same order of magnitude as number of actual
developers.
If you add to this our rule that everybody may touch anyone else
packages that makes the herd division rather artificial...

Nevertheless, that doesn't bother me in any way. I just took the wrong
impression that we were heading towards simplification.
Cheers,
Kacper




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Re: [gentoo-science] Gentoo Science next meeting agenda - 3) sub-herds

[Thomas Kahle]

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On 11:57 Sun 05 Dec     , Sébastien Fabbro wrote:
> Kacper Kowalik wrote:
> 
> > As we can see
> >  * sci-physics \in sci
> >  * sci-chemistry \in sci (except Donnie)
> >  * sci-biology \in sci
> >  * sci-mathematics \in sci (except Rafael)
> 
> Splitting herds is not only be about email receiving which can be
> easily turned on by adding an email to the alias or turned off with
> procmail rules.
> I was thinking also about web page, profiles, and may be as Rafael
> showed it would create a sense of more accessible community. I can see
> how people might discard the possibility of devship by seeing a few
> hundreds packages and bugs in one giant herd. 

I agree here. Similary to Rafael I would also like to receive sci-math
bugspam but not sci-*.  I also don't see any good pros of joining the
herds except some abstract "simplification".  You can still subscribe to
all of the sci-? aliases if you are working on everything.

So what was the point of joining the herds in the first place?

> For those of us interested in all science packages, we could simply put
> sci as alias of all sci sub herds, or even create QA sci.

I like the first idea, but I also want to be able to use "sci" as a
herd, e.g. for scientific libraries that might be used across
disciplines.

Cheers,
Thomas



-- 
Thomas Kahle
http://dev.gentoo.org/~tomka/

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Re: [gentoo-science] Gentoo Science next meeting agenda - 3) sub-herds

[Donnie Berkholz]

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On 11:57 Sun 05 Dec     , Sébastien Fabbro wrote:
> Kacper Kowalik wrote:
> 
> > As we can see
> >  * sci-physics \in sci
> >  * sci-chemistry \in sci (except Donnie)
> >  * sci-biology \in sci
> >  * sci-mathematics \in sci (except Rafael)

What you've proven is that they should definitely not be merged, because 
not everyone in sci is in every sub-team.

> Splitting herds is not only be about email receiving which can be
> easily turned on by adding an email to the alias or turned off with
> procmail rules.
> I was thinking also about web page, profiles, and may be as Rafael
> showed it would create a sense of more accessible community. I can see
> how people might discard the possibility of devship by seeing a few
> hundreds packages and bugs in one giant herd. 
> 
> For those of us interested in all science packages, we could simply put
> sci as alias of all sci sub herds, or even create QA sci.

I would be on the sci alias because I would care about stuff that's 
relevant to *all* sci, not to one of the many subsets of it.

-- 
Thanks,
Donnie

Donnie Berkholz
Sr. Developer, Science Team
Gentoo Linux
Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com

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