From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GPDwk-0006In-R8 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:53:43 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8I7rWvd027844; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:53:32 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8I7rVqB013869 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:53:32 GMT Received: from [192.168.1.103] (c-67-171-150-177.hsd1.or.comcast.net [67.171.150.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD5064503 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:53:30 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <450E4A66.6080308@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:27:34 -0700 From: Donnie Berkholz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060917) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-science@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-science@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-science@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-science] website python error References: <200609130935.29872.slug@aeminium.org> <200609151257.00581.cryos@gentoo.org> <200609180843.12369.cryos@gentoo.org> <450E49BD.4060402@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <450E49BD.4060402@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigB339244BF554D6EE61EB89FF" X-Archives-Salt: 4a945b0d-800a-4afc-a696-1b43ad07f539 X-Archives-Hash: 28291210073bc470b54abe816a178924 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigB339244BF554D6EE61EB89FF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Marcus D. Hanwell wrote: >> On Saturday 16 September 2006 09:51, Andrey G. Grozin wrote: >>> On Fri, 15 Sep 2006, Marcus D. Hanwell wrote: >>>> On Friday 15 September 2006 08:50, Andrey G. Grozin wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 14 Sep 2006, Donnie Berkholz wrote: >>>>>> Pretty sure they're not interested in linking to external overlays= =2E >>>>>> If you want a link, and to save some time on maintenance and futur= e >>>>>> breakage, it might be easier to just migrate to their hosting. >>>>> I think this is an excellent idea. First-class inofficial overlays = live >>>>> at overlays.gentoo.org; we want the same status, we don't want to b= e >>>>> second- (or third-) class. >>>> I think this statement is incorrect about first or second class over= lays. >>>> According to their own FAQs that is not the case. My own personal be= lief >>>> says it certainly is not that case. To make a more reasoned case you= have >>>> to ask what the actual benefits of a move might be, i.e. bigger admi= n >>>> team, more widely used/tested, shiny gentoo.org domain ending... >>>> >>>> But like I said in my last response if the overall opinion is to mov= e I >>>> will make the subversion repo backup available for migration of the >>>> overlay. I set it up as a service for the Gentoo scientific communit= y >>>> before any of this was available as we were sick of waiting for it t= o >>>> appear... Now it has may be the overlay would be better there. I am = not >>>> sure - I doubt it would hurt though... >>> Suppose I am a Gentoo user, and I want to try some new package (or a >>> bleeding-edge version) which is not in the main tree. I search the Ge= ntoo >>> website for links to some experimental overlays (something like rpmfo= rge >>> and freshrpms in the RedHat world). And aha! I find overlays.gentoo.o= rg >>> (and nothing else). If the package I want is in one of the overlays t= here, >>> I am happy. If not, I am stuck. >>> >>> In other words, overlays.gentoo.org lives on the Gentoo continent; >>> gentooscience.org is an island in the middle of nowhere. >> May be that is where our opinions of what the overlay is for are very = >> different. I never set the overlay up with general users in mind, and = that=20 >> wasn't what we discussed when we were thinking about why we needed an = >> overlay. >> >> In my opinion the overlay is there for interested users wishing to tak= e a=20 >> bigger role in development, using experimental ebuilds and helping to = improve=20 >> them until they are ready to go into the tree. As such I was never int= erested=20 >> in trying to get the attention of some user searching for a particular= ebuild.=20 >> All ebuilds which are suitable should be moved into the main tree=20 >> anyway and so the user will find it there... >> >> I never tried to keep the overlay secret, but why should users have to= =20 >> set up a myriad of overlays if they just want to run a system? May be = you=20 >> would be better off becoming a developer and adding stuff to the tree?= If we=20 >> follow a trend of keeping more and more stuff in various overlays then= Gentoo=20 >> just becomes more of a pain to run IMHO. >=20 > There's a middle ground, where current developers don't want to maintai= n > a package, but the non-developer with commit access to an overlay > doesn't want to commit the time to become a developer. This is where > things end up staying in overlays even though they're theoretically > ready for the tree. This is why it's useful for users to be able to fin= d > overlays. >=20 > Layman has made it trivially easy to add overlays already, so it's > really much of a pain at all. *not* much of a pain. Sorry it's late =3D) Also, there's another middle ground where things are good enough to be usable but not good enough to go into the main tree. Thanks, Donnie --------------enigB339244BF554D6EE61EB89FF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFDkpmXVaO67S1rtsRAsGkAJ91azI0C6URMWzBtLSnAsziKsMV2wCgy7QD FkY8SxsO4Z8HQclOOy4/huM= =g2+m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigB339244BF554D6EE61EB89FF-- -- gentoo-science@gentoo.org mailing list