Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Marcus D. Hanwell wrote: >> On Saturday 16 September 2006 09:51, Andrey G. Grozin wrote: >>> On Fri, 15 Sep 2006, Marcus D. Hanwell wrote: >>>> On Friday 15 September 2006 08:50, Andrey G. Grozin wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 14 Sep 2006, Donnie Berkholz wrote: >>>>>> Pretty sure they're not interested in linking to external overlays. >>>>>> If you want a link, and to save some time on maintenance and future >>>>>> breakage, it might be easier to just migrate to their hosting. >>>>> I think this is an excellent idea. First-class inofficial overlays live >>>>> at overlays.gentoo.org; we want the same status, we don't want to be >>>>> second- (or third-) class. >>>> I think this statement is incorrect about first or second class overlays. >>>> According to their own FAQs that is not the case. My own personal belief >>>> says it certainly is not that case. To make a more reasoned case you have >>>> to ask what the actual benefits of a move might be, i.e. bigger admin >>>> team, more widely used/tested, shiny gentoo.org domain ending... >>>> >>>> But like I said in my last response if the overall opinion is to move I >>>> will make the subversion repo backup available for migration of the >>>> overlay. I set it up as a service for the Gentoo scientific community >>>> before any of this was available as we were sick of waiting for it to >>>> appear... Now it has may be the overlay would be better there. I am not >>>> sure - I doubt it would hurt though... >>> Suppose I am a Gentoo user, and I want to try some new package (or a >>> bleeding-edge version) which is not in the main tree. I search the Gentoo >>> website for links to some experimental overlays (something like rpmforge >>> and freshrpms in the RedHat world). And aha! I find overlays.gentoo.org >>> (and nothing else). If the package I want is in one of the overlays there, >>> I am happy. If not, I am stuck. >>> >>> In other words, overlays.gentoo.org lives on the Gentoo continent; >>> gentooscience.org is an island in the middle of nowhere. >> May be that is where our opinions of what the overlay is for are very >> different. I never set the overlay up with general users in mind, and that >> wasn't what we discussed when we were thinking about why we needed an >> overlay. >> >> In my opinion the overlay is there for interested users wishing to take a >> bigger role in development, using experimental ebuilds and helping to improve >> them until they are ready to go into the tree. As such I was never interested >> in trying to get the attention of some user searching for a particular ebuild. >> All ebuilds which are suitable should be moved into the main tree >> anyway and so the user will find it there... >> >> I never tried to keep the overlay secret, but why should users have to >> set up a myriad of overlays if they just want to run a system? May be you >> would be better off becoming a developer and adding stuff to the tree? If we >> follow a trend of keeping more and more stuff in various overlays then Gentoo >> just becomes more of a pain to run IMHO. > > There's a middle ground, where current developers don't want to maintain > a package, but the non-developer with commit access to an overlay > doesn't want to commit the time to become a developer. This is where > things end up staying in overlays even though they're theoretically > ready for the tree. This is why it's useful for users to be able to find > overlays. > > Layman has made it trivially easy to add overlays already, so it's > really much of a pain at all. *not* much of a pain. Sorry it's late =) Also, there's another middle ground where things are good enough to be usable but not good enough to go into the main tree. Thanks, Donnie