[gentoo-science] Gentoo Science next meeting agenda - 4) science profiles

[gentoo-science] Gentoo Science next meeting agenda - 4) science profiles

[Kacper Kowalik]

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I would like to involve cluster team here. We could *really* use
seperate profiles for HPC at least, like hpc/server , hpc/node.
Also, since it was already mentioned on #gentoo-dev, we could have
"sci" profile with USE="fortran" and remove it from base.
To my great amazement it seems that not everybody use Fortran on a
daily basis :P
Cheers,
Kacper



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[gentoo-science] Re: Gentoo Science next meeting agenda - 4) science profiles

[Justin Bronder]

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On 05/12/10 13:49 +0100, Kacper Kowalik wrote:
> I would like to involve cluster team here. We could *really* use
> seperate profiles for HPC at least, like hpc/server , hpc/node.
> Also, since it was already mentioned on #gentoo-dev, we could have
> "sci" profile with USE="fortran" and remove it from base.
> To my great amazement it seems that not everybody use Fortran on a
> daily basis :P
> Cheers,
> Kacper
> 
> 

I'm not sure why hpc would need specific profiles.  Personally I just use
default/linux/${ARCH}/${VERSION} and build from there.  The only additions
for a node that might be profile worthy are virtual/mpi and maybe
sys-cluster/torque.  The same goes for hpc/server although some extra USE
flags could be enabled.

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Justin Bronder

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Re: [gentoo-science] Re: Gentoo Science next meeting agenda - 4) science profiles

[Alexey Shvetsov]

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On 5 декабря 2010 12:25:44 Justin Bronder wrote:
> On 05/12/10 13:49 +0100, Kacper Kowalik wrote:
> > I would like to involve cluster team here. We could *really* use
> > seperate profiles for HPC at least, like hpc/server , hpc/node.
> > Also, since it was already mentioned on #gentoo-dev, we could have
> > "sci" profile with USE="fortran" and remove it from base.
> > To my great amazement it seems that not everybody use Fortran on a
> > daily basis :P
> > Cheers,
> > Kacper
> 
> I'm not sure why hpc would need specific profiles.  Personally I just use
> default/linux/${ARCH}/${VERSION} and build from there.  The only additions
> for a node that might be profile worthy are virtual/mpi and maybe
> sys-cluster/torque.  The same goes for hpc/server although some extra USE
> flags could be enabled.

How about adding cluster profile? actualy seems we need two of them for head 
node and for compute node

I'm runing gentoo on few clusters so it will be at least usefull here
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Best Regards,
Alexey 'Alexxy' Shvetsov
Petersburg Nuclear Physics Institute, Russia
Department of Molecular and Radiation Biophysics
Gentoo Team Ru
Gentoo Linux Dev
mailto:alexxyum@gmail.com
mailto:alexxy@gentoo.org
mailto:alexxy@omrb.pnpi.spb.ru

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Re: [gentoo-science] Re: Gentoo Science next meeting agenda - 4) science profiles

[Xarthisius]

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W dniu 05.12.2010 18:25, Justin Bronder pisze:
> On 05/12/10 13:49 +0100, Kacper Kowalik wrote:
>> I would like to involve cluster team here. We could *really* use
>> seperate profiles for HPC at least, like hpc/server , hpc/node.
>> Also, since it was already mentioned on #gentoo-dev, we could have
>> "sci" profile with USE="fortran" and remove it from base.
>> To my great amazement it seems that not everybody use Fortran on a
>> daily basis :P
>> Cheers,
>> Kacper
>>
>>
> I'm not sure why hpc would need specific profiles.  Personally I just use
> default/linux/${ARCH}/${VERSION} and build from there.  The only additions
> for a node that might be profile worthy are virtual/mpi and maybe
> sys-cluster/torque.  The same goes for hpc/server although some extra USE
> flags could be enabled.
I was rather thinking to have less. Default settings for 10.0:
USE="acl amd64 berkdb bzip2 cli cracklib crypt cups cxx dri fortran gdbm
gpm iconv ipv6 mmx modules mudflap multilib ncurses nls nptl nptlonly
openmp pam pcre perl pppd python readline session sse sse2 ssl sysfs
tcpd unicode xorg zlib"

cups, ipv6, perl, xorg, nls, pam, etc... do we need them?
tbh I build up my clusters from "-*" because default is to bloated...
Also setting things like FEATURES="nodoc noman noinfo nonews" would be
nice on nodes.
Cheers,
Kacper


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[gentoo-science] Re: Gentoo Science next meeting agenda - 4) science profiles

[Justin Bronder]

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On 05/12/10 18:34 +0100, Xarthisius wrote:
> W dniu 05.12.2010 18:25, Justin Bronder pisze:
> > On 05/12/10 13:49 +0100, Kacper Kowalik wrote:
> >> I would like to involve cluster team here. We could *really* use
> >> seperate profiles for HPC at least, like hpc/server , hpc/node.
> >> Also, since it was already mentioned on #gentoo-dev, we could have
> >> "sci" profile with USE="fortran" and remove it from base.
> >> To my great amazement it seems that not everybody use Fortran on a
> >> daily basis :P
> >> Cheers,
> >> Kacper
> >>
> >>
> > I'm not sure why hpc would need specific profiles.  Personally I just use
> > default/linux/${ARCH}/${VERSION} and build from there.  The only additions
> > for a node that might be profile worthy are virtual/mpi and maybe
> > sys-cluster/torque.  The same goes for hpc/server although some extra USE
> > flags could be enabled.
> I was rather thinking to have less. Default settings for 10.0:
> USE="acl amd64 berkdb bzip2 cli cracklib crypt cups cxx dri fortran gdbm
> gpm iconv ipv6 mmx modules mudflap multilib ncurses nls nptl nptlonly
> openmp pam pcre perl pppd python readline session sse sse2 ssl sysfs
> tcpd unicode xorg zlib"
> 
> cups, ipv6, perl, xorg, nls, pam, etc... do we need them?
> tbh I build up my clusters from "-*" because default is to bloated...
> Also setting things like FEATURES="nodoc noman noinfo nonews" would be
> nice on nodes.

Fair enough, I forgot I also have USE="-*" set :)

-- 
Justin Bronder

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Re: [gentoo-science] Gentoo Science next meeting agenda - 4) science profiles

[Sébastien Fabbro]

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Kacper Kowalik wrote:

> Also, since it was already mentioned on #gentoo-dev, we could have
> "sci" profile with USE="fortran" and remove it from base.
> To my great amazement it seems that not everybody use Fortran on a
> daily basis :P

That was what initiated the idea. Also I was thinking of larger scale
project such as initiating automatic creation of some basic science VM
we could distribute, based on those profiles.

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Sébastien

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Re: [gentoo-science] Gentoo Science next meeting agenda - 4) science profiles

[Thomas Kahle]

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On 12:06 Sun 05 Dec     , Sébastien Fabbro wrote:
> Kacper Kowalik wrote:
> 
> > Also, since it was already mentioned on #gentoo-dev, we could have
> > "sci" profile with USE="fortran" and remove it from base.
> > To my great amazement it seems that not everybody use Fortran on a
> > daily basis :P
> 
> That was what initiated the idea. Also I was thinking of larger scale
> project such as initiating automatic creation of some basic science VM
> we could distribute, based on those profiles.

This is an interesting point for the future.  I have the feeling that
the trend for scientific computing is towards integrated systems with
many components (i.e. bundled libraries).  Mathematical examples that
come to mind: sage, scilab, Macaulay, singular..., Some of the upstreams
there are actively pursuing the approach of shipping a VM, for instance
as the "windows version".  There might be a chance for Gentoo to provide
a single VM that has it all.

+1 for the profiles and VM idea.



-- 
Thomas Kahle
http://dev.gentoo.org/~tomka/

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Re: [gentoo-science] Gentoo Science next meeting agenda - 4) science profiles

[Donnie Berkholz]

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On 13:49 Sun 05 Dec     , Kacper Kowalik wrote:
> Also, since it was already mentioned on #gentoo-dev, we could have
> "sci" profile with USE="fortran" and remove it from base.
> To my great amazement it seems that not everybody use Fortran on a
> daily basis :P

There's no good mechanism for using multiple profiles at once that I'm 
aware of, so I'd rather not. People want things like "science + desktop" 
or "science + desktop + developer" which just isn't possible.

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Thanks,
Donnie

Donnie Berkholz
Sr. Developer, Science Team
Gentoo Linux
Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com

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