From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ihgtq-0003bV-4e for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 07:31:34 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.1/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9G7KXSU003521; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 07:20:33 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.1/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9G7KW8L003516 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 07:20:32 GMT Received: from gentoo.org (c-67-171-150-177.hsd1.or.comcast.net [67.171.150.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06FC65215 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 07:20:31 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:20:30 -0700 From: Donnie Berkholz To: gentoo-science@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-science] sci team help Message-ID: <20071016072030.GS23990@supernova> References: <1192473542.9282.74.camel@zeca> <20071015201410.GJ23990@supernova> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-science@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-science@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Archives-Salt: 661bdc9d-a88f-4adb-84ec-8ca89680ced2 X-Archives-Hash: ef1296e02a89026a3f57668853de59aa On 12:01 Tue 16 Oct , Andrey G. Grozin wrote: > The original cryos' idea when he created the science overlay was a place to > develop ebuilds until they become mature enough to be moved to the main > tree (I can dig his original post about this subject). He suggested that > ebuilds whould, in most cases, be moved to the main tree quickly enough. OK, sure, but historic reasons are not future reasons. If things should change, this is not a reason to hold it back. > Gentoo users are not instructed to use overlays. Most of them just don't > know about them. Hunting for an interesting package in many tens of > overlays present at overlays.gentoo.org is not easy. There is http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/overlays/userguide.xml -- for some reason, it doesn't appear to be linked from the main docs section. I just asked in #gentoo-doc about this. I agree that hunting could be difficult, but most of the project (rather than developer-owned) overlays are topical by definition. If I'm looking for a scientific application, it shouldn't take a leap of logic to try the science overlay. Also, eix (a searching tool) includes a searchable package cache of every overlay, generated daily. > 1. Inform users *prominently* that some interesting packages don't live in > the main portage tree (currently, not many users know this). Yep. > Who will decide which packages are first-class citizens and which are not? > What are the criteria? I suggested a few. - Is a developer willing to commit to maintaining it? - Is it expected to be fairly popular, or is it extremely specific? - (for apps already in the tree) Is it unmaintained? Should it be moved to an overlay? Thanks, Donnie -- gentoo-science@gentoo.org mailing list