From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GPDmx-0006Sl-0q for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:43:35 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8I7hIDV008306; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:43:18 GMT Received: from platinum.cryos.net (platinum.cryos.net [195.242.214.61]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8I7hHgO026537 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:43:17 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by platinum.cryos.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE25AF8570 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:43:15 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cryos.net Received: from platinum.cryos.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (platinum.cryos.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id daOGWEpNuFaB for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:43:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from ns0.cryos.net (ns0.cryos.net [217.155.144.221]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by platinum.cryos.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4E6F856A for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:43:12 +0100 (BST) From: "Marcus D. Hanwell" To: gentoo-science@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-science] website python error Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:43:08 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <200609130935.29872.slug@aeminium.org> <200609151257.00581.cryos@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-science@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-science@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1555864.nMKGk2Ihh8"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200609180843.12369.cryos@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: 9d208237-15ab-4a3f-acba-7b6f3a5e7dc6 X-Archives-Hash: 3dfadc5e0fcc9bcbfb9fea9046f8d796 --nextPart1555864.nMKGk2Ihh8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday 16 September 2006 09:51, Andrey G. Grozin wrote: > On Fri, 15 Sep 2006, Marcus D. Hanwell wrote: > > On Friday 15 September 2006 08:50, Andrey G. Grozin wrote: > > > On Thu, 14 Sep 2006, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > > > Pretty sure they're not interested in linking to external overlays. > > > > If you want a link, and to save some time on maintenance and future > > > > breakage, it might be easier to just migrate to their hosting. > > > > > > I think this is an excellent idea. First-class inofficial overlays li= ve > > > at overlays.gentoo.org; we want the same status, we don't want to be > > > second- (or third-) class. > > > > I think this statement is incorrect about first or second class overlay= s. > > According to their own FAQs that is not the case. My own personal belief > > says it certainly is not that case. To make a more reasoned case you ha= ve > > to ask what the actual benefits of a move might be, i.e. bigger admin > > team, more widely used/tested, shiny gentoo.org domain ending... > > > > But like I said in my last response if the overall opinion is to move I > > will make the subversion repo backup available for migration of the > > overlay. I set it up as a service for the Gentoo scientific community > > before any of this was available as we were sick of waiting for it to > > appear... Now it has may be the overlay would be better there. I am not > > sure - I doubt it would hurt though... > > Suppose I am a Gentoo user, and I want to try some new package (or a > bleeding-edge version) which is not in the main tree. I search the Gentoo > website for links to some experimental overlays (something like rpmforge > and freshrpms in the RedHat world). And aha! I find overlays.gentoo.org > (and nothing else). If the package I want is in one of the overlays there, > I am happy. If not, I am stuck. > > In other words, overlays.gentoo.org lives on the Gentoo continent; > gentooscience.org is an island in the middle of nowhere. May be that is where our opinions of what the overlay is for are very=20 different. I never set the overlay up with general users in mind, and that= =20 wasn't what we discussed when we were thinking about why we needed an=20 overlay. In my opinion the overlay is there for interested users wishing to take a=20 bigger role in development, using experimental ebuilds and helping to impro= ve=20 them until they are ready to go into the tree. As such I was never interest= ed=20 in trying to get the attention of some user searching for a particular ebui= ld.=20 All ebuilds which are suitable should be moved into the main tree=20 anyway and so the user will find it there... I never tried to keep the overlay secret, but why should users have to=20 set up a myriad of overlays if they just want to run a system? May be you=20 would be better off becoming a developer and adding stuff to the tree? If w= e=20 follow a trend of keeping more and more stuff in various overlays then Gent= oo=20 just becomes more of a pain to run IMHO. I am hoping to get more proactive in moving suitable ebuilds from the overl= ay=20 to the main tree in the near future. I will also be encouraging other devs = to=20 do the same if they are not already. So the overlay will get smaller as stu= ff=20 is moved. Hopefully some of our active herd testers will go on to become=20 developers and maintain some of this stuff themselves too. May be the aims of the overlay should be more clearly defined through debat= e=20 and documented on the overlay site. I am away for the week starting in abou= t=20 one hour anyway... I will catch up on discussions when I get back. It would= =20 be good to hear what more people think about this subject - may be I am on = my=20 own with my opinions? --nextPart1555864.nMKGk2Ihh8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFDk4QzgRsaX1BF70RAuBWAKCc0Qd/bpwlMsTwpIk69qF8DpqMdgCeLM6s HamjKzKwxNOpccRsAR4uPQI= =hmAd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1555864.nMKGk2Ihh8-- -- gentoo-science@gentoo.org mailing list