[gentoo-releng] Call for feature request for 2008.0 (unicode)

[gentoo-releng] Call for feature request for 2008.0 (unicode)

[Igor Cavalcante]

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I believe that it is important for gentoo 2008.0 already come with unicode
utf8 enabled, since this is an encode widely used around the world, so the
distribution could reach a large number of characters simple and
standardized way.

Thanks
Igor Cavalcante

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Re: [gentoo-releng] Call for feature request for 2008.0 (unicode)

[Pacho Ramos]

El mar, 29-01-2008 a las 08:24 -0300, Igor Cavalcante escribió:
> I believe that it is important for gentoo 2008.0 already come with
> unicode utf8 enabled, since this is an encode widely used around the
> world, so the distribution could reach a large number of characters
> simple and standardized way.
> 
> Thanks
> Igor Cavalcante

+1

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Re: [gentoo-releng] Call for feature request for 2008.0 (unicode)

[Mirosław Mieszczak]

Tuesday 29 January 2008 12:24:51 Igor Cavalcante napisał(a):
> I believe that it is important for gentoo 2008.0 already come with unicode
> utf8 enabled, since this is an encode widely used around the world, so the
> distribution could reach a large number of characters simple and
> standardized way.
>
> Thanks
> Igor Cavalcante

It is good idea, however before this could be done, there is necessity of 
conversion of all manual pages from ISO formats into utf8.
I haven't thought about this since I moved into utf8.


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Mirek Mieszczak
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Re: [gentoo-releng] Call for feature request for 2008.0 (unicode)

[Igor Cavalcante]

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In documents of gentoo http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/utf-8.xml is an excerpt
explaining how change man pages for the UTF-8 format.

"Man

Man pages are an integral part of any Linux machine. To ensure that any
unicode in your man pages render correctly, edit / etc / man.conf and
replace the line as shown below.

Code Listing 3.13: man.conf changes for Unicode support

(This is the old line)
NROFF / usr / bin / nroff-Tascii-c-mandoc
(Replace this with the one above)
NROFF / usr / bin / nroff-mandoc-c "

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Re: [gentoo-releng] Call for feature request for 2008.0 (unicode)

[Mirosław Mieszczak]

> In documents of gentoo http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/utf-8.xml is an excerpt
> explaining how change man pages for the UTF-8 format.
>
> "Man
>
> Man pages are an integral part of any Linux machine. To ensure that any
> unicode in your man pages render correctly, edit / etc / man.conf and
> replace the line as shown below.
>
Yes, I know that. But there is only one small thing, this solution is not 
working with national characters out of ISO-8859-1 codepage. In such case 
there is necessity of conversion of manuals into utf8, and such solutions are 
available in external overlays like arcon (not yet in portage).


Best regards

Mirek
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Re: [gentoo-releng] Call for feature request for 2008.0 (unicode)

[Andrew Gaffney]

Igor Cavalcante wrote:
> I believe that it is important for gentoo 2008.0 already come with 
> unicode utf8 enabled, since this is an encode widely used around the 
> world, so the distribution could reach a large number of characters 
> simple and standardized way.

I'm pretty sure that the unicode USE flag defaults to on in the new profiles. I 
think that UNICODE=yes is also set in the default /etc/conf.d/rc (or is it 
/etc/rc.conf?). There's not much more that we (releng) can do. Anything else has 
to be "upstream".

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Re: [gentoo-releng] Call for feature request for 2008.0 (unicode)

[Chris Gianelloni]

On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 08:24 -0300, Igor Cavalcante wrote:
> I believe that it is important for gentoo 2008.0 already come with
> unicode utf8 enabled, since this is an encode widely used around the
> world, so the distribution could reach a large number of characters
> simple and standardized way.

We've had USE=unicode enabled since 2006.1, so we're good there.

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Re: [gentoo-releng] Call for feature request for 2008.0 (unicode)

[Chris Gianelloni]

On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 10:15 -0300, Igor Cavalcante wrote:
> In documents of gentoo http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/utf-8.xml is an
> excerpt explaining how change man pages for the UTF-8 format. 

This would need to be done by the package maintainers, not Release
Engineering.  File a bug with the maintainers (and realize there's 3
days to get the patch accepted, in the tree, and stable, for it to make
it into 2008.0's release.)

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RE: [gentoo-releng] Call for feature request for 2008.0 (unicode)

[Nelson Batalha]

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> Engineering.  File a bug with the maintainers (and realize there's 3
> days to get the patch accepted, in the tree, and stable, for it to make
> it into 2008.0's release.)

Three days? Same for the liveusb script? What about the schedule in the homepage?

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Re: [gentoo-releng] Call for feature request for 2008.0 (unicode)

[Andrew Gaffney]

Nelson Batalha wrote:
>  > Engineering. File a bug with the maintainers (and realize there's 3
>  > days to get the patch accepted, in the tree, and stable, for it to make
>  > it into 2008.0's release.)
> 
> Three days? Same for the liveusb script? What about the schedule in the 
> homepage?

It's 3 days until the initial snapshot. That means that anything that requires a 
change in the tree must be completed within 3 days.

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RE: [gentoo-releng] Call for feature request for 2008.0 (unicode)

[Chris Gianelloni]

On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 21:11 +0000, Nelson Batalha wrote:
> > Engineering. File a bug with the maintainers (and realize there's 3
> > days to get the patch accepted, in the tree, and stable, for it to
> make
> > it into 2008.0's release.)
> 
> Three days? Same for the liveusb script? What about the schedule in
> the homepage?

The schedule says that the snapshot is in 2 days.  Go read it again.

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Re: [gentoo-releng] Call for feature request for 2008.0 (unicode)

[Mirosław Mieszczak]

Tuesday 29 January 2008 19:34:24 Chris Gianelloni napisał(a):
> On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 10:15 -0300, Igor Cavalcante wrote:
> > In documents of gentoo http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/utf-8.xml is an
> > excerpt explaining how change man pages for the UTF-8 format.
>
> This would need to be done by the package maintainers, not Release
> Engineering.  File a bug with the maintainers (and realize there's 3
> days to get the patch accepted, in the tree, and stable, for it to make
> it into 2008.0's release.)
>

Ok I fount that there are bugs already filled for it. Generally there are 2 
problems:
1. Groff is not able to format utf8 characters properly, there are bugs 
No:121502, and 190288 for it,
2. Manual conversion to utf8, there are many bug reports filled for it, for 
different national manuals, for example polish bug No 122271.


Right now, the bugs for manual conversion are held until groff problem will be 
solved.


Best regards

Mirek
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