[gentoo-releng] Resurrecting the seeds project

[gentoo-releng] Resurrecting the seeds project

[Aniruddha]

Hi,

I am interested in resurrecting the 'seeds' project (
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/seeds/ ). I first heard from it  when I
announced my stage 4 project (
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-610904-highlight-.html ).
It's is important to know that it is my intention to stay as close as
possible to the original stage 3. Every change will be documented.

I expect to build the first stage 4 this week and I really would like to
see these stage 4's to be used to get the  seeds project started again.
How can we make this possible?

Regards,

Aniruddha

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Re: [gentoo-releng] Resurrecting the seeds project

[Stuart Herbert]

Hi,

You'd be very welcome to join the Seed Linux project, which will be
continuing the 'seeds' project downstream, so to speak.

    http://code.google.com/p/seed-linux/

In Subversion, you'll find a script that can build a fully-functioning
Xen VM from scratch from our overlay.

Hrm, I guess this means it's time for the project to come out of stealth mode :)

Best regards,
Stu
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On Nov 13, 2007 10:18 AM, Aniruddha <zentooist@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am interested in resurrecting the 'seeds' project (
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/seeds/ ). I first heard from it  when I
> announced my stage 4 project (
> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-610904-highlight-.html ).
> It's is important to know that it is my intention to stay as close as
> possible to the original stage 3. Every change will be documented.
>
> I expect to build the first stage 4 this week and I really would like to
> see these stage 4's to be used to get the  seeds project started again.
> How can we make this possible?
>
> Regards,
>
> Aniruddha
>
> --
> gentoo-releng@gentoo.org mailing list
>
>
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Re: [gentoo-releng] Resurrecting the seeds project

[Aniruddha]

Stuart Herbert wrote:
> Hi,
>
> You'd be very welcome to join the Seed Linux project, which will be
> continuing the 'seeds' project downstream, so to speak.
>
>     http://code.google.com/p/seed-linux/
>
> In Subversion, you'll find a script that can build a fully-functioning
> Xen VM from scratch from our overlay.
>
> Hrm, I guess this means it's time for the project to come out of stealth mode :)
>
> Best regards,
> Stu
> --
>
>   
Hi Stuart,

Good to hear from you, I've been trying to contact you for a while now.
Have your read my stage 4  project proposal (
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-610904-highlight-.html )? What do
you think of it? Does it fit in with your seeds project? What happened
to Gentoo seeds? And why did you decide to move the project from Gentoo
to 'Google Code'?

Regards,

Aniruddha


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Re: [gentoo-releng] Resurrecting the seeds project

[Stuart Herbert]

Hi,

You've probably been trying to contact me via stuart@gentoo.org.  I
left Gentoo in November 2006, which is why the Seeds project is no
longer hosted there.

I haven't read your stage 4 proposal.  I shall go and do that now.

Best regards,
Stu
--

On Nov 13, 2007 2:24 PM, Aniruddha <zentooist@gmail.com> wrote:
> Stuart Herbert wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > You'd be very welcome to join the Seed Linux project, which will be
> > continuing the 'seeds' project downstream, so to speak.
> >
> >     http://code.google.com/p/seed-linux/
> >
> > In Subversion, you'll find a script that can build a fully-functioning
> > Xen VM from scratch from our overlay.
> >
> > Hrm, I guess this means it's time for the project to come out of stealth mode :)
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Stu
> > --
> >
> >
> Hi Stuart,
>
> Good to hear from you, I've been trying to contact you for a while now.
> Have your read my stage 4  project proposal (
> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-610904-highlight-.html )? What do
> you think of it? Does it fit in with your seeds project? What happened
> to Gentoo seeds? And why did you decide to move the project from Gentoo
> to 'Google Code'?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Aniruddha
>
>
> --
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>
>
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Re: [gentoo-releng] Resurrecting the seeds project

[Stuart Herbert]

Hi,

I've taken a look at your stage 4 proposal.  My initial impression is
that it's more a stage 3-and-a-half at the moment.  It needs further
development to include all the missing detail.  But it is the sort of
thing that Seed Linux is about, and so far I've been focusing on
servers (as that is where my interest lies) - so if you'd like to join
the project and lead the desktop development, let's talk some more :)

Best regards,
Stu
--

On Nov 13, 2007 2:29 PM, Stuart Herbert <stuart.herbert@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> You've probably been trying to contact me via stuart@gentoo.org.  I
> left Gentoo in November 2006, which is why the Seeds project is no
> longer hosted there.
>
> I haven't read your stage 4 proposal.  I shall go and do that now.
>
> Best regards,
> Stu
> --
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2007 2:24 PM, Aniruddha <zentooist@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Stuart Herbert wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > You'd be very welcome to join the Seed Linux project, which will be
> > > continuing the 'seeds' project downstream, so to speak.
> > >
> > >     http://code.google.com/p/seed-linux/
> > >
> > > In Subversion, you'll find a script that can build a fully-functioning
> > > Xen VM from scratch from our overlay.
> > >
> > > Hrm, I guess this means it's time for the project to come out of stealth mode :)
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Stu
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > Hi Stuart,
> >
> > Good to hear from you, I've been trying to contact you for a while now.
> > Have your read my stage 4  project proposal (
> > http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-610904-highlight-.html )? What do
> > you think of it? Does it fit in with your seeds project? What happened
> > to Gentoo seeds? And why did you decide to move the project from Gentoo
> > to 'Google Code'?
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Aniruddha
> >
> >
> > --
> > gentoo-releng@gentoo.org mailing list
> >
> >
>
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Re: [gentoo-releng] Resurrecting the seeds project

[Andrew Gaffney]

Guys, not to be a buzzkill, but this is offtopic for this list since it's not 
related to Gentoo Release Engineering. Please take this conversation somewhere else.

Stuart Herbert wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've taken a look at your stage 4 proposal.  My initial impression is
> that it's more a stage 3-and-a-half at the moment.  It needs further
> development to include all the missing detail.  But it is the sort of
> thing that Seed Linux is about, and so far I've been focusing on
> servers (as that is where my interest lies) - so if you'd like to join
> the project and lead the desktop development, let's talk some more :)
> 
> Best regards,
> Stu
> --
> 
> On Nov 13, 2007 2:29 PM, Stuart Herbert <stuart.herbert@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> You've probably been trying to contact me via stuart@gentoo.org.  I
>> left Gentoo in November 2006, which is why the Seeds project is no
>> longer hosted there.
>>
>> I haven't read your stage 4 proposal.  I shall go and do that now.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Stu
>> --
>>
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2007 2:24 PM, Aniruddha <zentooist@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Stuart Herbert wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> You'd be very welcome to join the Seed Linux project, which will be
>>>> continuing the 'seeds' project downstream, so to speak.
>>>>
>>>>     http://code.google.com/p/seed-linux/
>>>>
>>>> In Subversion, you'll find a script that can build a fully-functioning
>>>> Xen VM from scratch from our overlay.
>>>>
>>>> Hrm, I guess this means it's time for the project to come out of stealth mode :)
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Stu
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hi Stuart,
>>>
>>> Good to hear from you, I've been trying to contact you for a while now.
>>> Have your read my stage 4  project proposal (
>>> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-610904-highlight-.html )? What do
>>> you think of it? Does it fit in with your seeds project? What happened
>>> to Gentoo seeds? And why did you decide to move the project from Gentoo
>>> to 'Google Code'?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Aniruddha
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> gentoo-releng@gentoo.org mailing list
>>>
>>>


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Re: [gentoo-releng] Resurrecting the seeds project

[Stuart Herbert]

Aniruddha (and anyone else who's interested in the Seeds project),

Please join our Google group:

    http://groups.google.com/group/seed-linux-dev

We'll continue the discussion there.

Best regards,
Stu
--

On Nov 13, 2007 4:26 PM, Andrew Gaffney <agaffney@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Guys, not to be a buzzkill, but this is offtopic for this list since it's not
> related to Gentoo Release Engineering. Please take this conversation somewhere else.
>
>
> Stuart Herbert wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've taken a look at your stage 4 proposal.  My initial impression is
> > that it's more a stage 3-and-a-half at the moment.  It needs further
> > development to include all the missing detail.  But it is the sort of
> > thing that Seed Linux is about, and so far I've been focusing on
> > servers (as that is where my interest lies) - so if you'd like to join
> > the project and lead the desktop development, let's talk some more :)
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Stu
> > --
> >
> > On Nov 13, 2007 2:29 PM, Stuart Herbert <stuart.herbert@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> You've probably been trying to contact me via stuart@gentoo.org.  I
> >> left Gentoo in November 2006, which is why the Seeds project is no
> >> longer hosted there.
> >>
> >> I haven't read your stage 4 proposal.  I shall go and do that now.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Stu
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >> On Nov 13, 2007 2:24 PM, Aniruddha <zentooist@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Stuart Herbert wrote:
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> You'd be very welcome to join the Seed Linux project, which will be
> >>>> continuing the 'seeds' project downstream, so to speak.
> >>>>
> >>>>     http://code.google.com/p/seed-linux/
> >>>>
> >>>> In Subversion, you'll find a script that can build a fully-functioning
> >>>> Xen VM from scratch from our overlay.
> >>>>
> >>>> Hrm, I guess this means it's time for the project to come out of stealth mode :)
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>> Stu
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Hi Stuart,
> >>>
> >>> Good to hear from you, I've been trying to contact you for a while now.
> >>> Have your read my stage 4  project proposal (
> >>> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-610904-highlight-.html )? What do
> >>> you think of it? Does it fit in with your seeds project? What happened
> >>> to Gentoo seeds? And why did you decide to move the project from Gentoo
> >>> to 'Google Code'?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Aniruddha
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> gentoo-releng@gentoo.org mailing list
> >>>
> >>>
>
>
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> Gentoo Linux Developer             Catalyst/Installer + x86 release coordinator
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>
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>
>
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Re: [gentoo-releng] Resurrecting the seeds project

[Aniruddha]

Stuart Herbert wrote:
> Aniruddha (and anyone else who's interested in the Seeds project),
>
> Please join our Google group:
>
>     http://groups.google.com/group/seed-linux-dev
>
> We'll continue the discussion there.
>
> Best regards,
> Stu
> --
>   
Done!
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Re: [gentoo-releng] Resurrecting the seeds project

[Aniruddha]

Andrew Gaffney wrote:
> Guys, not to be a buzzkill, but this is offtopic for this list since
> it's not related to Gentoo Release Engineering. Please take this
> conversation somewhere else.
>
>
Ok, no problem. Although I would like to hear what the Release
Engineering members think of resurrecting the seeds project :-) .

Regards,

Aniruddha
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Re: [gentoo-releng] Resurrecting the seeds project

[Andrew Gaffney]

Aniruddha wrote:
> Andrew Gaffney wrote:
>> Guys, not to be a buzzkill, but this is offtopic for this list since
>> it's not related to Gentoo Release Engineering. Please take this
>> conversation somewhere else.
>>
>>
> Ok, no problem. Although I would like to hear what the Release
> Engineering members think of resurrecting the seeds project :-) .

We (or at least I) really don't care, since Stuart didn't want to have anything 
to do with Release Engineering the first time around. But, I have no intention 
of bringing that old debate back up, again.

You guys are free to build whatever you want, but it will never be hosted and/or 
endorsed by Gentoo unless we (be it Gentoo in general or releng specifically) 
build it and have a say-so in how it's operated. This policy is nothing 
"special" for seeds. The same applies to "random" CDs and other media built by 
users.

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Re: [gentoo-releng] Resurrecting the seeds project

[Aniruddha]

Andrew Gaffney wrote:
>
> You guys are free to build whatever you want, but it will never be
> hosted and/or endorsed by Gentoo unless we (be it Gentoo in general or
> releng specifically) build it and have a say-so in how it's operated.
> This policy is nothing "special" for seeds. The same applies to
> "random" CDs and other media built by users.
Ok, what is the first step I should take if I want my stage 4 idea (
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-610904-highlight-.html ) to be
endorsed by Gentoo?

Regards,

Aniruddha


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Re: [gentoo-releng] Resurrecting the seeds project

[Andrew Gaffney]

Aniruddha wrote:
> Andrew Gaffney wrote:
>> You guys are free to build whatever you want, but it will never be
>> hosted and/or endorsed by Gentoo unless we (be it Gentoo in general or
>> releng specifically) build it and have a say-so in how it's operated.
>> This policy is nothing "special" for seeds. The same applies to
>> "random" CDs and other media built by users.
> Ok, what is the first step I should take if I want my stage 4 idea (
> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-610904-highlight-.html ) to be
> endorsed by Gentoo?

Become a developer and coordinate with Release Engineering.

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Re: [gentoo-releng] Resurrecting the seeds project

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 14:00 +0100, Aniruddha wrote:
> Ok, what is the first step I should take if I want my stage 4 idea (
> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-610904-highlight-.html ) to be
> endorsed by Gentoo?

The first step is likely to see what Gentoo already has planned.
Basically, we've been planning on doing something very similar to your
idea for some time now.  There's not really anything new in your idea.
It is good, but it isn't anything new.

We're moving in that direction.  We're just moving slowly so that we can
do it correctly and within the realm of what we're able to support with
our limited manpower.

-- 
Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering Strategic Lead
Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams
Games Developer/Foundation Trustee
Gentoo Foundation

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