[gentoo-releng] DVD Releases for 2007.0

[gentoo-releng] DVD Releases for 2007.0

[Chris Gianelloni]

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As you can probably guess, I'd definitely like to continue the DVD media
for the 2007.0 release.

This is the list from the livecd-stage1 spec file for the current DVD.

	app-admin/ide-smart
	app-admin/logrotate
	app-admin/passook
	app-admin/pwgen
	app-admin/sudo
	app-admin/syslog-ng
	app-arch/mt-st
	app-arch/unrar
	app-arch/unzip
	app-benchmarks/cpuburn
	app-cdr/cdrtools
	app-cdr/k3b
	app-crypt/gnupg
	app-editors/bluefish
	app-editors/emacs
	app-editors/vim
	app-editors/xemacs
	app-misc/livecd-tools
	app-misc/screen
	app-misc/vlock
	app-office/koffice
	app-office/openoffice
#	app-office/openoffice-bin
	app-office/scribus
	app-portage/gentoolkit
	app-portage/mirrorselect
	app-portage/ufed
	app-text/tetex
	dev-util/anjuta
	dev-util/ccache
	gnome-base/gnome
	kde-base/kde-meta
	mail-client/evolution
	mail-client/mozilla-thunderbird
	mail-client/sylpheed
	mail-client/sylpheed-claws
	media-gfx/fbgrab
	media-gfx/gimp
	media-gfx/gtkam
#	media-gfx/inkscape
	media-sound/audacious
	media-sound/easytag
	media-sound/rhythmbox
	media-video/mplayer
	net-analyzer/ettercap
	net-analyzer/netcat
	net-analyzer/nmap
	net-analyzer/tcpdump
	net-analyzer/tcptraceroute
	net-analyzer/traceroute
	net-analyzer/wireshark
	net-dialup/bpalogin
	net-dialup/mingetty
	net-dialup/minicom
	net-dialup/penggy
	net-dialup/pptpclient
	net-dialup/rp-pppoe
	net-fs/nfs-utils
	net-fs/samba
	net-im/gaim
	net-irc/irssi
	net-irc/xchat
	net-misc/bridge-utils
	net-misc/dhcpcd
	net-misc/iputils
	net-misc/rdate
	net-misc/vconfig
	net-misc/vpnc
	net-misc/whois
	net-nntp/pan
	net-p2p/bittorrent
	net-proxy/dante
	net-proxy/tsocks
	net-wireless/airsnort
	net-wireless/ipw2100-firmware
	net-wireless/ipw2200-firmware
	net-wireless/prism54-firmware
	net-wireless/wireless-tools
	net-wireless/wpa_supplicant
	net-wireless/zd1201-firmware
	sys-apps/apmd
	sys-apps/coldplug
	sys-apps/eject
	sys-apps/ethtool
	sys-apps/fxload
	sys-apps/gli
	sys-apps/gradm
	sys-apps/hdparm
	sys-apps/hwsetup
	sys-apps/iproute2
	sys-apps/memtester
	sys-apps/netplug
	sys-apps/parted
#	sys-apps/powerpc-utils
#	sys-apps/ibm-powerpc-utils
#	sys-apps/ibm-powerpc-utils-papr
	sys-apps/slocate
	sys-apps/smartmontools
	sys-block/gpart
	sys-block/partimage
	sys-boot/grub
	sys-boot/lilo
	sys-boot/syslinux
#	sys-boot/yaboot
#	sys-devel/binutils-hppa64
	sys-devel/distcc
#	sys-devel/gcc-hppa64
#	sys-fs/dmraid
	sys-fs/dosfstools
	sys-fs/e2fsprogs
	sys-fs/evms
	sys-fs/hfsplusutils
	sys-fs/hfsutils
#	sys-fs/iprutils
	sys-fs/jfsutils
	sys-fs/lsscsi
	sys-fs/lvm2
#	sys-fs/lvm-user
#	sys-fs/mac-fdisk
	sys-fs/mdadm
#	sys-fs/multipath-tools
	sys-fs/ntfsprogs
	sys-fs/raidtools
	sys-fs/reiserfsprogs
	sys-fs/xfsprogs
	sys-kernel/genkernel
	sys-libs/gpm
	sys-power/acpid
#	sys-power/apmd
	sys-process/vixie-cron
	www-client/links
	www-client/mozilla-firefox
	x11-base/xorg-x11
	x11-drivers/synaptics
	x11-misc/xscreensaver
	x11-themes/gdm-themes-livecd
	x11-themes/gentoo-artwork-livecd
	x11-wm/enlightenment
	x11-wm/fluxbox
	xfce-base/xfce4

What additional packages would we like to have on the LiveDVD?  I have
no problem adding things like compiz, but they will *only* be usable for
people with cards supported entirely by open source drivers.

These are the packages from livecd-stage2, which rely on kernel sources
to compile.

	=media-gfx/splashutils-1.1*
	media-gfx/splash-themes-livecd
	sys-apps/pcmciautils
	net-dialup/slmodem
	net-dialup/globespan-adsl
	net-wireless/hostap-utils
	net-dialup/fritzcapi
	net-dialup/fcdsl
	sys-power/acpid
	sys-fs/cryptsetup-luks
#	net-wireless/at76c503a
#	net-wireless/rtl8180
#	net-wireless/adm8211
	net-wireless/rt2500
	net-wireless/acx
	media-libs/alsa-lib
	media-libs/alsa-oss
	media-sound/alsa-utils

One thing to remember is that we *only* allow packages that are marked
stable at the time of the snapshot to be included.  This means that
suggestions made now will be added to the list, but may be commented (as
you see above) if they're not stable, or if they cause us too much
trouble during our release cycle.  I also don't plan on adding things
that aren't usable directly from the CD.  This means no ndiswrapper or
anything like it, since it doesn't function without drivers that we
cannot legally ship.  If it doesn't work "out of the box" then we're not
going to be adding it.

I plan on adding stage3 tarballs to the DVD images, which increases
their minimally.  Also, for 2006.1, we gathered all of the distfiles for
the entire release, including the LiveCD and LiveDVD images, to comply
with the GPL.  These distfiles were for *everything* on the CD/DVD
images, not just the normal stuff from the Universal CDs.  They amount
to 2.1GB.  Should we include these also?

I'd also like to open up the floor for other suggestions.  Now's your
chance to be heard if you want any say in what we might do for 2007.0's
release.

Thanks,

-- 
Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering Strategic Lead
Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams
Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee
Gentoo Foundation

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Re: [gentoo-releng] DVD Releases for 2007.0

[Peter Weber]

Hello, I think the Stage3 and (Vanilla )Kernel-Sources should be added,
that is good and necessary for networkless-installation via the shell.
So nobody is forced to use the installer's or the "vodoo-scripts".
The distfiles would be nice, but I think they are not important, if sb.
really want compile more than just the kernel, he/she would be use the
network to catch the current sources?

If I want compile a real personal system it would be the best why to use
the current sources, and not 4 mounth old sources?

Other question: Will the voodoo-scripts also avaible in the 2007 release
for the people how use the shell to install?  Or will the vodoo-scripts
completly removed, because they are unnecessary on the DVD?

Goodbye


On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 08:32 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> As you can probably guess, I'd definitely like to continue the DVD media
> for the 2007.0 release.
> 
> This is the list from the livecd-stage1 spec file for the current DVD.
> 
> 	app-admin/ide-smart
> 	app-admin/logrotate
> 	app-admin/passook
> 	app-admin/pwgen
> 	app-admin/sudo
> 	app-admin/syslog-ng
> 	app-arch/mt-st
> 	app-arch/unrar
> 	app-arch/unzip
> 	app-benchmarks/cpuburn
> 	app-cdr/cdrtools
> 	app-cdr/k3b
> 	app-crypt/gnupg
> 	app-editors/bluefish
> 	app-editors/emacs
> 	app-editors/vim
> 	app-editors/xemacs
> 	app-misc/livecd-tools
> 	app-misc/screen
> 	app-misc/vlock
> 	app-office/koffice
> 	app-office/openoffice
> #	app-office/openoffice-bin
> 	app-office/scribus
> 	app-portage/gentoolkit
> 	app-portage/mirrorselect
> 	app-portage/ufed
> 	app-text/tetex
> 	dev-util/anjuta
> 	dev-util/ccache
> 	gnome-base/gnome
> 	kde-base/kde-meta
> 	mail-client/evolution
> 	mail-client/mozilla-thunderbird
> 	mail-client/sylpheed
> 	mail-client/sylpheed-claws
> 	media-gfx/fbgrab
> 	media-gfx/gimp
> 	media-gfx/gtkam
> #	media-gfx/inkscape
> 	media-sound/audacious
> 	media-sound/easytag
> 	media-sound/rhythmbox
> 	media-video/mplayer
> 	net-analyzer/ettercap
> 	net-analyzer/netcat
> 	net-analyzer/nmap
> 	net-analyzer/tcpdump
> 	net-analyzer/tcptraceroute
> 	net-analyzer/traceroute
> 	net-analyzer/wireshark
> 	net-dialup/bpalogin
> 	net-dialup/mingetty
> 	net-dialup/minicom
> 	net-dialup/penggy
> 	net-dialup/pptpclient
> 	net-dialup/rp-pppoe
> 	net-fs/nfs-utils
> 	net-fs/samba
> 	net-im/gaim
> 	net-irc/irssi
> 	net-irc/xchat
> 	net-misc/bridge-utils
> 	net-misc/dhcpcd
> 	net-misc/iputils
> 	net-misc/rdate
> 	net-misc/vconfig
> 	net-misc/vpnc
> 	net-misc/whois
> 	net-nntp/pan
> 	net-p2p/bittorrent
> 	net-proxy/dante
> 	net-proxy/tsocks
> 	net-wireless/airsnort
> 	net-wireless/ipw2100-firmware
> 	net-wireless/ipw2200-firmware
> 	net-wireless/prism54-firmware
> 	net-wireless/wireless-tools
> 	net-wireless/wpa_supplicant
> 	net-wireless/zd1201-firmware
> 	sys-apps/apmd
> 	sys-apps/coldplug
> 	sys-apps/eject
> 	sys-apps/ethtool
> 	sys-apps/fxload
> 	sys-apps/gli
> 	sys-apps/gradm
> 	sys-apps/hdparm
> 	sys-apps/hwsetup
> 	sys-apps/iproute2
> 	sys-apps/memtester
> 	sys-apps/netplug
> 	sys-apps/parted
> #	sys-apps/powerpc-utils
> #	sys-apps/ibm-powerpc-utils
> #	sys-apps/ibm-powerpc-utils-papr
> 	sys-apps/slocate
> 	sys-apps/smartmontools
> 	sys-block/gpart
> 	sys-block/partimage
> 	sys-boot/grub
> 	sys-boot/lilo
> 	sys-boot/syslinux
> #	sys-boot/yaboot
> #	sys-devel/binutils-hppa64
> 	sys-devel/distcc
> #	sys-devel/gcc-hppa64
> #	sys-fs/dmraid
> 	sys-fs/dosfstools
> 	sys-fs/e2fsprogs
> 	sys-fs/evms
> 	sys-fs/hfsplusutils
> 	sys-fs/hfsutils
> #	sys-fs/iprutils
> 	sys-fs/jfsutils
> 	sys-fs/lsscsi
> 	sys-fs/lvm2
> #	sys-fs/lvm-user
> #	sys-fs/mac-fdisk
> 	sys-fs/mdadm
> #	sys-fs/multipath-tools
> 	sys-fs/ntfsprogs
> 	sys-fs/raidtools
> 	sys-fs/reiserfsprogs
> 	sys-fs/xfsprogs
> 	sys-kernel/genkernel
> 	sys-libs/gpm
> 	sys-power/acpid
> #	sys-power/apmd
> 	sys-process/vixie-cron
> 	www-client/links
> 	www-client/mozilla-firefox
> 	x11-base/xorg-x11
> 	x11-drivers/synaptics
> 	x11-misc/xscreensaver
> 	x11-themes/gdm-themes-livecd
> 	x11-themes/gentoo-artwork-livecd
> 	x11-wm/enlightenment
> 	x11-wm/fluxbox
> 	xfce-base/xfce4
> 
> What additional packages would we like to have on the LiveDVD?  I have
> no problem adding things like compiz, but they will *only* be usable for
> people with cards supported entirely by open source drivers.
> 
> These are the packages from livecd-stage2, which rely on kernel sources
> to compile.
> 
> 	=media-gfx/splashutils-1.1*
> 	media-gfx/splash-themes-livecd
> 	sys-apps/pcmciautils
> 	net-dialup/slmodem
> 	net-dialup/globespan-adsl
> 	net-wireless/hostap-utils
> 	net-dialup/fritzcapi
> 	net-dialup/fcdsl
> 	sys-power/acpid
> 	sys-fs/cryptsetup-luks
> #	net-wireless/at76c503a
> #	net-wireless/rtl8180
> #	net-wireless/adm8211
> 	net-wireless/rt2500
> 	net-wireless/acx
> 	media-libs/alsa-lib
> 	media-libs/alsa-oss
> 	media-sound/alsa-utils
> 
> One thing to remember is that we *only* allow packages that are marked
> stable at the time of the snapshot to be included.  This means that
> suggestions made now will be added to the list, but may be commented (as
> you see above) if they're not stable, or if they cause us too much
> trouble during our release cycle.  I also don't plan on adding things
> that aren't usable directly from the CD.  This means no ndiswrapper or
> anything like it, since it doesn't function without drivers that we
> cannot legally ship.  If it doesn't work "out of the box" then we're not
> going to be adding it.
> 
> I plan on adding stage3 tarballs to the DVD images, which increases
> their minimally.  Also, for 2006.1, we gathered all of the distfiles for
> the entire release, including the LiveCD and LiveDVD images, to comply
> with the GPL.  These distfiles were for *everything* on the CD/DVD
> images, not just the normal stuff from the Universal CDs.  They amount
> to 2.1GB.  Should we include these also?
> 
> I'd also like to open up the floor for other suggestions.  Now's your
> chance to be heard if you want any say in what we might do for 2007.0's
> release.
> 
> Thanks,
> 

-- 
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Re: [gentoo-releng] DVD Releases for 2007.0

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 15:34 +0200, Peter Weber wrote:
> Other question: Will the voodoo-scripts also avaible in the 2007 release
> for the people how use the shell to install?  Or will the vodoo-scripts
> completly removed, because they are unnecessary on the DVD?

A networkless installation will only be achievable using the installer.
I've already told you this.  There's no intentions on changing this.

-- 
Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering Strategic Lead
Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams
Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee
Gentoo Foundation

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Re: [gentoo-releng] DVD Releases for 2007.0

[Peter Weber]

And why you include stage3? Stage3 within a network based installation
is complet nonsens.

On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 10:16 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 15:34 +0200, Peter Weber wrote:
> > Other question: Will the voodoo-scripts also avaible in the 2007 release
> > for the people how use the shell to install?  Or will the vodoo-scripts
> > completly removed, because they are unnecessary on the DVD?
> 
> A networkless installation will only be achievable using the installer.
> I've already told you this.  There's no intentions on changing this.
> 

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Re: [gentoo-releng] DVD Releases for 2007.0

[M. Edward (Ed) Borasky]

Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> As you can probably guess, I'd definitely like to continue the DVD media
> for the 2007.0 release.
> 
> This is the list from the livecd-stage1 spec file for the current DVD.
> 
[snip]

> What additional packages would we like to have on the LiveDVD?  I have
> no problem adding things like compiz, but they will *only* be usable for
> people with cards supported entirely by open source drivers.

1. How big can the total get? How big is it now? Is it half full? 2/3? 3/4?

2. Is there any information about what *Gentoo* users, to be
distinguished from the overall Linux user base, do with their systems
that would guide the packages into "themes", such as science,
multimedia, network security, office, programming languages, web
applications/servers, etc.?

3. Could there be more than one, with "themed" DVDs like multimedia or
science only available for a nominal price from the store? Something
like RHEL -- the source is freely available on line as required by the
GPL and someone like CentOS could come along and remaster, but people
who wanted the convenience of downloading an ISO would pay, say, $10 or
$20 to support Gentoo.


In the absence of themes, I'd just say "more programming languages,
Rails and more Ruby stuff, more multimedia, more science, more network
tools, ..." That's what I use -- everything I have on my systems would
easily fit on a LiveDVD, but I could go ahead and build my own with
Catalyst.
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Re: [gentoo-releng] DVD Releases for 2007.0

[M. Edward (Ed) Borasky]

M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:

> 2. Is there any information about what *Gentoo* users, to be
> distinguished from the overall Linux user base, do with their systems
> that would guide the packages into "themes", such as science,
> multimedia, network security, office, programming languages, web
> applications/servers, etc.?

I just had a thought ... one could, if one were so inclined, extract
some meaningful information about this by data mining the Bugzilla
database. People don't report bugs on stuff they don't use. :)


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Re: [gentoo-releng] DVD Releases for 2007.0

[Derek Tracy]

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On 10/18/06, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky <znmeb@cesmail.net> wrote:
>
> Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > As you can probably guess, I'd definitely like to continue the DVD media
> > for the 2007.0 release.
> >
> > This is the list from the livecd-stage1 spec file for the current DVD.
> >
> [snip]
>
> > What additional packages would we like to have on the LiveDVD?  I have
> > no problem adding things like compiz, but they will *only* be usable for
> > people with cards supported entirely by open source drivers.
>
> 1. How big can the total get? How big is it now? Is it half full? 2/3?
> 3/4?
>
> 2. Is there any information about what *Gentoo* users, to be
> distinguished from the overall Linux user base, do with their systems
> that would guide the packages into "themes", such as science,
> multimedia, network security, office, programming languages, web
> applications/servers, etc.?
>
> 3. Could there be more than one, with "themed" DVDs like multimedia or
> science only available for a nominal price from the store? Something
> like RHEL -- the source is freely available on line as required by the
> GPL and someone like CentOS could come along and remaster, but people
> who wanted the convenience of downloading an ISO would pay, say, $10 or
> $20 to support Gentoo.
>
>
> In the absence of themes, I'd just say "more programming languages,
> Rails and more Ruby stuff, more multimedia, more science, more network
> tools, ..." That's what I use -- everything I have on my systems would
> easily fit on a LiveDVD, but I could go ahead and build my own with
> Catalyst.
> --
> gentoo-releng@gentoo.org mailing list
>
>

The idea of themes IMHO go against the basis of Gentoo, they take away the
ability to customize and have a system with exactly what you want on it, if
you want to create your own custom build go through the GUI installer and
save the settings for later use (I believe that I saw that option in there
when I tested it out) that way you can customize your install and not have
to worry about it again (in case you are rolling out a build for enterprise
use).

As far as the LiveDVD goes, just keep it light on RAM when the system is up
and running to allow more systems to use it.

My 2cents.
-- 
---------------------------------
Derek Tracy
tracyde@gmail.com
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Re: [gentoo-releng] DVD Releases for 2007.0

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 16:37 +0200, Peter Weber wrote:
> And why you include stage3? Stage3 within a network based installation
> is complet nonsens.

First, stage3 is the *only* supported installation, so it makes perfect
sense.  Second, a stage3 tarball can be used via both the Installer (it
has a URI browser) *and* on the command line for network-based installs.
Finally, I don't answer to you.  I've already explained on another list
to you that we are *not* interested in supporting *your* idea of what a
network-less installation should be, and have moved on to something we
consider better.

At this point, you have three choices.

#1. Accept it
#2. Build it yourself
#3. Go away

I honestly don't care which one you do, but the one that I will not
allow you to do is to try to force us to do something we do not wish to
do with our volunteer time.

Good day,

-- 
Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering Strategic Lead
Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams
Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee
Gentoo Foundation

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Re: [gentoo-releng] DVD Releases for 2007.0

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 07:49 -0700, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
> Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > As you can probably guess, I'd definitely like to continue the DVD media
> > for the 2007.0 release.
> > 
> > This is the list from the livecd-stage1 spec file for the current DVD.
> > 
> [snip]
> 
> > What additional packages would we like to have on the LiveDVD?  I have
> > no problem adding things like compiz, but they will *only* be usable for
> > people with cards supported entirely by open source drivers.
> 
> 1. How big can the total get? How big is it now? Is it half full? 2/3? 3/4?

Well, if we had:

#1. The 2006.1 LiveDVD packages (as listed previously)
#2. a stage3 tarball
#3. *all* of the distfiles

We would be at ~3GB (give or take a couple hundred megabytes) of a 4.7GB
DVD.  Since we offer the media over Bittorrent only, the disk space
isn't quite that vital as media stored on the community mirrors.
Remember that if we add distfiles, we have to add *all* the distfiles.
So any package recommendations must also take into account the amount of
sources needed to build it.

> 2. Is there any information about what *Gentoo* users, to be
> distinguished from the overall Linux user base, do with their systems
> that would guide the packages into "themes", such as science,
> multimedia, network security, office, programming languages, web
> applications/servers, etc.?

Well, I can tell you that the GRP set (and hence the LiveDVD) has
traditionally been designed as a "desktop" reference.  We don't include
server packages.  Now, as you can see, I wouldn't mind doing things like
adding an IDE or two, and other useful applications.  Generally, think
of what you run on your desktop box, and see if we're currently shipping
it.  Then, ask yourself "would other people use this if it were on the
DVD?"  That's pretty much it.

For 2006.1, my primary goal with the LiveDVD was to restore the packages
that were removed from the LiveCD (think KDE) due to size.

With 2007.0, I am wanting to add functionality to that.

> 3. Could there be more than one, with "themed" DVDs like multimedia or
> science only available for a nominal price from the store? Something
> like RHEL -- the source is freely available on line as required by the
> GPL and someone like CentOS could come along and remaster, but people
> who wanted the convenience of downloading an ISO would pay, say, $10 or
> $20 to support Gentoo.

Nope.  We don't have the time for it, for one.  Second, Cafepress
doesn't sell *any* DVD media, meaning that unless we find a new vendor
capable of creating CD/DVD media on-the-fly, as well as t-shirts and
other schwag, we won't be selling a DVD set.

> In the absence of themes, I'd just say "more programming languages,
> Rails and more Ruby stuff, more multimedia, more science, more network
> tools, ..." That's what I use -- everything I have on my systems would
> easily fit on a LiveDVD, but I could go ahead and build my own with
> Catalyst.

Please list *exact* packages.  If I don't use this stuff, I'll never
know what you would consider.  ;]

Remember that there are a few goals here.

#1. Provide packages for the Installer
#2. Provide packages people want
#3. Provide stuff to show off Gentoo

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Re: [gentoo-releng] DVD Releases for 2007.0

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 07:55 -0700, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
> M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
> 
> > 2. Is there any information about what *Gentoo* users, to be
> > distinguished from the overall Linux user base, do with their systems
> > that would guide the packages into "themes", such as science,
> > multimedia, network security, office, programming languages, web
> > applications/servers, etc.?
> 
> I just had a thought ... one could, if one were so inclined, extract
> some meaningful information about this by data mining the Bugzilla
> database. People don't report bugs on stuff they don't use. :)

We don't have this sort of access to the database, nor the time to do
it.  This is why we're asking now.  We have enough trouble getting
things done due to our limited infrastructure staff.  Asking them to
turn into data miners is probably a bit much.

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Re: [gentoo-releng] DVD Releases for 2007.0

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 12:13 -0400, Derek Tracy wrote:
> As far as the LiveDVD goes, just keep it light on RAM when the system
> is up and running to allow more systems to use it.

It only uses as much RAM as you choose for it to use.  It runs "fine" on
128MB of RAM.  OK.  It *functions* with that much RAM.  Really, we're
not too interested in supporting low memory systems with the LiveDVD
media.  We'll make sure it all runs on 256MB, but I won't make any
guarantees below that.  Of course, if you choose fluxbox for your window
manager and only run console apps, it'll definitely use less memory than
if you run KDE and 40 Firefox instances.  ;]

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Re: [gentoo-releng] DVD Releases for 2007.0

[Peter Weber]

you =|= we

As far as I remember ;-)

On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 16:48 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 16:37 +0200, Peter Weber wrote:
> > And why you include stage3? Stage3 within a network based installation
> > is complet nonsens.
> 
> First, stage3 is the *only* supported installation, so it makes perfect
> sense.  Second, a stage3 tarball can be used via both the Installer (it
> has a URI browser) *and* on the command line for network-based installs.
> Finally, I don't answer to you.  I've already explained on another list
> to you that we are *not* interested in supporting *your* idea of what a
> network-less installation should be, and have moved on to something we
> consider better.
> 
> At this point, you have three choices.
> 
> #1. Accept it
> #2. Build it yourself
> #3. Go away
> 
> I honestly don't care which one you do, but the one that I will not
> allow you to do is to try to force us to do something we do not wish to
> do with our volunteer time.
> 
> Good day,
> 

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Re: [gentoo-releng] DVD Releases for 2007.0

[Luca Barbato]

Peter Weber wrote:
> you =|= we
> 
> As far as I remember ;-)
> 

No he is the team leader, what he says usually represent what the team
feels.

lu

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