[gentoo-releng] 2006.0 planning

[gentoo-releng] 2006.0 planning

[Chris Gianelloni]

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Do we need to have a 2006.0 planning meeting or can we do all of it
on-list?  Basically, I just need to know who is planning on releasing
for 2006.0 and what they plan on releasing.  I would also need to know
school/work/vacation schedules for the first quarter of next year, so we
can plan accordingly.  I'll start off with myself.

I know that I will be attending FOSDEM at the end of February and will
probably be in Europe for at least 2 weeks after.  I will also be in
Boston for Linux World on April 3rd-6th.  This would make the month of
March a pretty bad time for me to do the release, depending on how much
work I can offload onto the new x86 Release Coordinator, thunder.

I already sent out the information on what x86 will be releasing to the
list, so I am not going to repeat that here.

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Re: [gentoo-releng] 2006.0 planning

[Lars Weiler]

* Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@gentoo.org> [05/12/05 14:37 -0500]:
> I would also need to know school/work/vacation schedules
> for the first quarter of next year, so we can plan
> accordingly.

First quarter is okay with me, as I guess I'm not in the
end-phase of my diploma by then.  I may have two or three
exams in January/February, but that should not hold back for
releasing.

As I won't manage Gentoo at Fosdem in 2006, I will attend as
a visitor only.  And as I live in Europe, I don't need a two
week vacation after it ;-)  The question is, should we
release before Fosdem (end of February) or after it (end of
March when Chris returned)?

> I already sent out the information on what x86 will be releasing to the
> list, so I am not going to repeat that here.

I'll try to make the ppc-release as similar to x86 as
possible, regarding the installed applications on the
InstallCD and USE-Flags.

Open questions:
- nptl with -nptlonly and it's open bug
- further merge of ppc with ppc64
- XLiveCD with installer
- support of 43p-RS/6000
- further OldWorld-support
- alpha-support for AirportExtreme

Regards, Lars

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Re: [gentoo-releng] 2006.0 planning

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 16:54 +0100, Lars Weiler wrote:
> * Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@gentoo.org> [05/12/05 14:37 -0500]:
> > I would also need to know school/work/vacation schedules
> > for the first quarter of next year, so we can plan
> > accordingly.
> 
> First quarter is okay with me, as I guess I'm not in the
> end-phase of my diploma by then.  I may have two or three
> exams in January/February, but that should not hold back for
> releasing.
> 
> As I won't manage Gentoo at Fosdem in 2006, I will attend as
> a visitor only.  And as I live in Europe, I don't need a two
> week vacation after it ;-)  The question is, should we
> release before Fosdem (end of February) or after it (end of
> March when Chris returned)?

If we release before FOSDEM, it means we pretty much need to get started
now to make sure our tools are well tested and stabilized before we make
our portage snapshot freeze.  I would really prefer we not have to
update genkernel/catalyst versions after the snapshot.  That seems to
always cause friction.  What this means is we would need all of you to
test catalyst 2.0_rc* now and report back any problems as soon as
possible.

> > I already sent out the information on what x86 will be releasing to the
> > list, so I am not going to repeat that here.
> 
> I'll try to make the ppc-release as similar to x86 as
> possible, regarding the installed applications on the
> InstallCD and USE-Flags.
> 
> Open questions:
> - nptl with -nptlonly and it's open bug

I'll leave this up to you.  I *really* don't want anyone using nptlonly,
but if it causes problems on your architecture not to, well, that is
completely your prerogative as the Arch Coordinator.  I'm not going to
try to make you do something broken, but if there's any way to get "nptl
-nptlonly" working, then I would say to go for that.

> - further merge of ppc with ppc64
> - XLiveCD with installer

I'm pretty sure that the Installer won't be ready for PPC.  I can give
you my spec files and fsscripts/etc along with an gli ebuild set if you
would like to build an Installer CD now for testing, but this one might
be a ways off.  That being said, I'd love to get more information from
you on how to setup X auto-detection stuff on PPC for a LiveCD.  I am
attempting now to normalize this and make it more useful and more
universal across architectures, so any information would be greatly
appreciated.

> - support of 43p-RS/6000
> - further OldWorld-support
> - alpha-support for AirportExtreme

I'm guessing this is all kernel-related stuff, so I leave that to you.

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Re: [gentoo-releng] 2006.0 planning

[Bryan Østergaard]

On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 02:37:12PM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> Do we need to have a 2006.0 planning meeting or can we do all of it
> on-list?  Basically, I just need to know who is planning on releasing
> for 2006.0 and what they plan on releasing.  I would also need to know
> school/work/vacation schedules for the first quarter of next year, so we
> can plan accordingly.  I'll start off with myself.
> 
> I know that I will be attending FOSDEM at the end of February and will
> probably be in Europe for at least 2 weeks after.  I will also be in
> Boston for Linux World on April 3rd-6th.  This would make the month of
> March a pretty bad time for me to do the release, depending on how much
> work I can offload onto the new x86 Release Coordinator, thunder.
> 
> I already sent out the information on what x86 will be releasing to the
> list, so I am not going to repeat that here.
> 
I'll be doing the Alpha release as usual. The Alpha release will be
pretty much the same as 2005.1, so we'll have 2.6 + nptl as default
profile but still support 2.4 for people who wants that. I'm not going
to make a LiveCD with X support and other fancy support as I don't have
any way of testing that on a reasonable number of boxes.

And as a small surprise we'll probably have SELinux stages + installcd
in time for 2006.0. I guess that'll live in experimental/ although
there's been no discussion about that so far.

As time schedules go I'll probably attend FOSDEM too but don't have any
exams (just lots of work :). So the time schedule doesn't matter too
much to me as long as it doesn't conflict with FOSDEM.

Regards,
Bryan Østergaard
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Re: [gentoo-releng] 2006.0 planning

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 20:35 +0100, Bryan Østergaard wrote:
> I'll be doing the Alpha release as usual. The Alpha release will be
> pretty much the same as 2005.1, so we'll have 2.6 + nptl as default
> profile but still support 2.4 for people who wants that. I'm not going
> to make a LiveCD with X support and other fancy support as I don't have
> any way of testing that on a reasonable number of boxes.

Just curious, but what video buses does Alpha use besides PCI?  I'm
wondering if hwsetup detects some of the different ones (like it detects
SBUS on SPARC) or not.

> And as a small surprise we'll probably have SELinux stages + installcd
> in time for 2006.0. I guess that'll live in experimental/ although
> there's been no discussion about that so far.

Nice.

> As time schedules go I'll probably attend FOSDEM too but don't have any
> exams (just lots of work :). So the time schedule doesn't matter too
> much to me as long as it doesn't conflict with FOSDEM.

Well, it definitely won't conflict with FOSDEM, as I don't know what my
Internet access will be like when I'm in Europe.

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Re: [gentoo-releng] 2006.0 planning

[Bryan Østergaard]

On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 03:01:03PM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> 
> Just curious, but what video buses does Alpha use besides PCI?  I'm
> wondering if hwsetup detects some of the different ones (like it detects
> SBUS on SPARC) or not.
> 
PCI or AGP in a few models. Some (very) old alpha based systems uses
Turbochannel but that's not supported by Linux afaik and I'm just going
to poke fun at people with Turbochannel systems :) So no fancy stuff
regarding hwsetup.

Regards,
Bryan Østergaard

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Re: [gentoo-releng] 2006.0 planning

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 21:48 +0100, Bryan Østergaard wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 03:01:03PM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > 
> > Just curious, but what video buses does Alpha use besides PCI?  I'm
> > wondering if hwsetup detects some of the different ones (like it detects
> > SBUS on SPARC) or not.
> > 
> PCI or AGP in a few models. Some (very) old alpha based systems uses
> Turbochannel but that's not supported by Linux afaik and I'm just going
> to poke fun at people with Turbochannel systems :) So no fancy stuff
> regarding hwsetup.

Cool.  I might have to poke around some.  It might be *very* easy for
you to get a working Installer CD.  I've been working on my X detection
stuff to make it work on non-x86 systems (dropped ddcxinfo-knoppix, for
one).

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Re: [gentoo-releng] 2006.0 planning

[Jeffrey Forman]

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On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 14:37 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> Do we need to have a 2006.0 planning meeting or can we do all of it
> on-list?  Basically, I just need to know who is planning on releasing
> for 2006.0 and what they plan on releasing.  I would also need to know
> school/work/vacation schedules for the first quarter of next year, so we
> can plan accordingly.  I'll start off with myself.
> 

I follow pretty much the university schedule. I'm skipping school for a
week in mid-late February and going skiing. I have spring break in
Mid-March, and in between will be in and out of town attempting to get a
job in Boston. And most likely, barring serious physical injury, I'll be
skipping class again and attending LWE in Boston in April. 

Chris,
You know the deal with getting stuff ready for me. So you can work all
you want, and just give me a heads up and I'll tell you what my schedule
is like closer to game time.

-Jeffrey
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Re: [gentoo-releng] 2006.0 planning

[Kumba]

Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> Do we need to have a 2006.0 planning meeting or can we do all of it
> on-list?  Basically, I just need to know who is planning on releasing
> for 2006.0 and what they plan on releasing.  I would also need to know
> school/work/vacation schedules for the first quarter of next year, so we
> can plan accordingly.  I'll start off with myself.

Schedule:	Work (teh funz0r)

Mips should be able to put out some interesting stuff.  Namely, Updated netboots 
(Hopefully made via Cat2 when I find time to sit down and whack Cat2's netboot 
module w/ a hammer; hand-rolled otherwise), Updated LiveCD (RC6 or RC7; What 
everyone else calls an InstallCD, we call a LiveCD cause it's catchier [Until we 
get our own true LiveCD]), Documentation updates (Will probably go in soon).

Most of this will probably fall into experimental/ again, but who knows, maybe 
it can be tuned for release/*.


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