From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JLWVk-0004fO-Ta for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2008 04:31:21 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F0143E0468; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 04:31:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC90E0468 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 04:31:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA546641B for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 04:31:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: 1.018 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.018 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=1.203, BAYES_40=-0.185] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JP5tEzz5bdVn for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 04:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7570066267 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 04:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.internal [10.202.2.42]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BD08F706 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 23:31:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from web5.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.214]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 02 Feb 2008 23:31:12 -0500 Received: by web5.messagingengine.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id CBABB507AC; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 23:31:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1202013069.18679.1234757825@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: 1CXxpK69o//uhWSgX85VaXxoX9ZtBKPDhN5WzpQATYsi 1202013069 From: davecode@nospammail.net To: gentoo-releng@lists.gentoo.org Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-releng@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-releng@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface Subject: [gentoo-releng] Free-standing Portage / Recent stage3 tarballs / Beta Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 20:31:09 -0800 X-Archives-Salt: ac77eac3-ef51-4c1a-8f10-51e1a910cc7d X-Archives-Hash: 014f11b34c77720dd042950a464e6fdc Hi Gentoo- My overall impression of Gentoo is "what a fantastic system"! I can't believe how good, really. These are all fairly minor things. I'm new to Gentoo, so forgive dumb ignorance, but Linux and programming are my profession. For your 2008.0 release: The 2007.0~ppc branch fails to upgrade over a Bash / Portage block. So will 2008.0 break too, until attended? A Bash / Portage conflict is the worst possible. I tried to fix it (from zsh chroot into Gentoo) but gave up. Stock advice on FAQs does not work in this thorny case. Forums show occasional situations between Python / Portage, too. I do not want/ask your help, but only to share a thought: Portage should have embedded Python and embedded Bash. Exactly the versions it needs, with bare minimum required libraries, statically compiled. The Portage 'snapshot' is already a special install step. And Gentoo already ships regular snapshots. The only thing missing is embedding the dependencies directly. I've never embedded Bash, but have Python, several times. Bash could probably work too. The combined ELFs weigh around 2 MB total, not bad for a critical executive controller like Portage which has its own dedicated snapshots. Finally - how about some recent stage3 ~arch tarballs. I can't find any. Most distros do daily/weekly/monthly build snapshots. The only snapshots for Gentoo seem to be Portage snapshots. Am I wrong? I know the 2008.0 beta is due soon, but I mean on a continuous basis. Not binary builds, just the latest ~arch tarball. If not frequent, at least quarterly? Normal ppc 2007.0 works fine from a dependency standpoint. The entire reason for trying Gentoo is that ppc boxes need the absolute most bleeding edge of everything. Hence the interest in Gentoo and specifically ~arch. We also want the latest GNOME anyhow, plus compiz-fusion. Would it be best to wait a month until beta, or is it reasonable to install ~arch right now? A few bugzilla contributions from us might help the beta project but deadly bash/Portage conflicts are a little too thick for my taste right now... Thank you! -- davecode@nospammail.net -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service -- gentoo-releng@lists.gentoo.org mailing list