[gentoo-releng] 2008.0 livecd release feature-request

[gentoo-releng] 2008.0 livecd release feature-request

[Matthew]

Hi everybody,

I don't know if it's even possible but: can the next livecd release
please include reiser4-support?
given its current state (it's pretty stable, all maior problems /
flaws should be fixed) and there's already a 2.6.24-patch it should be
not a big deal to include it

since gentoo is about choice, speed, stability -> individuality :)
that would surely be a nice step forward, reiser4progs is already in
the portage-tree, so it would be also great to have a kernel with
reiser4-support (you could mark it *warning! only for experienced
users ;) * / mask it)
baselayout-2/openrc-support is still not working for everyone but it's
getting there (http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=195988)

I'm sure a lot users [and devs] would appreciate this step

Thanks in advance & thanks for reading

Mat
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Re: [gentoo-releng] 2008.0 livecd release feature-request

[Peter Volkov]

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В Птн, 01/02/2008 в 10:12 +0100, Matthew пишет:
> I don't know if it's even possible but: can the next livecd release
> please include reiser4-support?

Please, search before post. This was already discussed here.

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Re: [gentoo-releng] 2008.0 livecd release feature-request

[Rémi Cardona]

Reiserfs4 was briefly discussed 3 days ago ...

http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-releng/msg_ce2154127f26a5502f83fd6bcd304845.xml

http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-releng/msg_26e325f501d80d454e8710441449c570.xml

Cheers,

Rémi
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Re: [gentoo-releng] 2008.0 livecd release feature-request

[Matthew]

On Feb 1, 2008 11:10 AM, Peter Volkov <pva@gentoo.org> wrote:
> В Птн, 01/02/2008 в 10:12 +0100, Matthew пишет:
> > I don't know if it's even possible but: can the next livecd release
> > please include reiser4-support?
>
> Please, search before post. This was already discussed here.
>
> --
> Peter.
>

you mean this:
http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cache:431L4rNtsKkJ:archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-releng/msg_03856.xml+site:archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-releng/+reiser4&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1
>Exactly.  That was my entire point.  If they're taking the time and
>energy to build the stage themselves, perhaps they would understand some
>of the issues and would be better educated.

>Consider it a very high barrier of entry on the ability to be able to do
>something extremely dumb with your system.

>We don't put reiser4 tools on our CD, either.  Why should we put stage1
>on there?  Personally, I believe a stage1 to be much more dangerous and
>time-wasting for us developers and our users than reiser4.

that was the only hit I found for reiser4, (I apologize if there are
more, I'm all new to this mailing list thingy ;) )
there isn't even an explanation why not
times (and reiser4' maturiy) have changed

care to explain?
many thanks in advance

Mat

Re: [gentoo-releng] 2008.0 livecd release feature-request

[Matthew]

> Reiserfs4 was briefly discussed 3 days ago ...
>
> http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-releng/msg_ce2154127f26a5502f83fd6bcd304845.xml
>
> http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-releng/msg_26e325f501d80d454e8710441449c570.xml


ah, well, then hopefully for the next release :D
there are not much tasks until inclusion left anymore:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.reiserfs.general/21358


> Cheers,
>
> Rémi


Thanks, Rémi :)
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Re: [gentoo-releng] 2008.0 livecd release feature-request

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 10:12 +0100, Matthew wrote:
> I don't know if it's even possible but: can the next livecd release
> please include reiser4-support?

It isn't in gentoo-sources, so no.

> given its current state (it's pretty stable, all maior problems /
> flaws should be fixed) and there's already a 2.6.24-patch it should be
> not a big deal to include it

It isn't in the mainline kernel, which means it isn't in the kernels we
use for our release.  As such, the missing support is a kernel issue
which needs to be taken up with Linus and his gang.  ;]

> since gentoo is about choice, speed, stability -> individuality :)

No, Gentoo is about *empowerment* and you're more than empowered to grab
our specs and make your own CD/DVD/whatever with whatever programs and
sources that you want on it.  There's nothing stopping you and we've
provided you with all of the tools that you would need to do so.
Remember, *we* don't have to do/support something for it to be possible.
That's the idea behind empowerment.  We give you the power to do what
you want.  We're not about "choice" or we'd have to include every single
crazy idea anyone ever had, even if it was a failure, simply because it
offered "choices" to our users.

Nope, we're about empowerment.  We empower you to do as you wish.  At
the same time, we're empowered to only support what we deem worthy of
our support.  Things outside the mainline kernel are normally considered
unworthy by us.

> that would surely be a nice step forward, reiser4progs is already in
> the portage-tree, so it would be also great to have a kernel with
> reiser4-support (you could mark it *warning! only for experienced
> users ;) * / mask it)

I could add the reiser4progs easily enough, but kernel support would be
lacking due to the reasons mentioned above.

> baselayout-2/openrc-support is still not working for everyone but it's
> getting there (http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=195988)

Yeah, they're not stable yet.

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