[gentoo-releng] Re: Call for feature requests for 2008.0

[gentoo-releng] Re: Call for feature requests for 2008.0

[Arthur Britto]

For people who have CDROM driver issues or lack of a CDROM drive,
LiveUSB images would be nice a addition to 2008.0:

Gentoo Linux LiveUSB HOWTO
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/liveusb.xml

Unfortunately, some potential users are not in a position to follow the
instructions due to lack of access to a Gentoo root shell.

-Arthur


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Re: [gentoo-releng] Re: Call for feature requests for 2008.0

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 11:02 -0800, Arthur Britto wrote:
> For people who have CDROM driver issues or lack of a CDROM drive,
> LiveUSB images would be nice a addition to 2008.0:
> 
> Gentoo Linux LiveUSB HOWTO
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/liveusb.xml
> 
> Unfortunately, some potential users are not in a position to follow the
> instructions due to lack of access to a Gentoo root shell.

You don't need access to Gentoo.  You can use any Linux, or even MacOS
or Windows, to remaster the image.

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Re: [gentoo-releng] Re: Call for feature requests for 2008.0

[Arthur Britto]

On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 11:34 -0800, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 11:02 -0800, Arthur Britto wrote:
> > Gentoo Linux LiveUSB HOWTO
> > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/liveusb.xml
> > 
> > Unfortunately, some potential users are not in a position to follow the
> > instructions due to lack of access to a Gentoo root shell.
> 
> You don't need access to Gentoo.  You can use any Linux, or even MacOS
> or Windows, to remaster the image.

emerge -av sys-fs/dosfstools
emerge -av '>sys-boot/syslinux-3'


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Re: [gentoo-releng] Re: Call for feature requests for 2008.0

[Andrew Gaffney]

Arthur Britto wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 11:34 -0800, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
>> On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 11:02 -0800, Arthur Britto wrote:
>>> Gentoo Linux LiveUSB HOWTO
>>> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/liveusb.xml
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, some potential users are not in a position to follow the
>>> instructions due to lack of access to a Gentoo root shell.
>> You don't need access to Gentoo.  You can use any Linux, or even MacOS
>> or Windows, to remaster the image.
> 
> emerge -av sys-fs/dosfstools

You can already create a FAT{16,32} filesystem in Windows.

> emerge -av '>sys-boot/syslinux-3'

I'm pretty sure there's a syslinux binary for Win32. What's the issue here?

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RE: [gentoo-releng] Re: Call for feature requests for 2008.0

[Nelson Batalha]

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What about newbies? Please make it easier to *at least* the boot part, after that there's the gentoo handbook ;). (Like many, I started learning most of the things that I know with the handbook, so I couldn't figure that liveusb@windows alone).

I believe it was OpenSolaris that had this well worked out. Their livecd had a small script that allowed to copy itself to a liveusb.

I started writing the script for gentoo some time ago, but had to stop.

Besides, environmentally speaking liveusb should be encouraged :p 

> Subject: Re: [gentoo-releng] Re: Call for feature requests for 2008.0
> From: wolf31o2@gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-releng@lists.gentoo.org
> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:34:57 -0800
> 
> On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 11:02 -0800, Arthur Britto wrote:
> > For people who have CDROM driver issues or lack of a CDROM drive,
> > LiveUSB images would be nice a addition to 2008.0:
> > 
> > Gentoo Linux LiveUSB HOWTO
> > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/liveusb.xml
> > 
> > Unfortunately, some potential users are not in a position to follow the
> > instructions due to lack of access to a Gentoo root shell.
> 
> You don't need access to Gentoo.  You can use any Linux, or even MacOS
> or Windows, to remaster the image.
> 
> -- 
> Chris Gianelloni
> Release Engineering Strategic Lead
> Games Developer

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RE: [gentoo-releng] Re: Call for feature requests for 2008.0

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Sat, 2008-01-26 at 01:21 +0000, Nelson Batalha wrote:
> I started writing the script for gentoo some time ago, but had to
> stop.

If someone were to take the time to put together a batch
file/syslinux.exe combination for Windows and a bash script/syslinux
combination for Linux, I'd add them to the CD.

> Besides, environmentally speaking liveusb should be encouraged :p

Sure.  Rather than release a LiveUSB image, I'd much prefer extend the
regular ISO to be dual-purpose.

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RE: [gentoo-releng] Re: Call for feature requests for 2008.0

[Nelson Batalha]

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> If someone were to take the time to put together a batch
> file/syslinux.exe combination for Windows and a bash script/syslinux
> combination for Linux, I'd add them to the CD.

I'll try to have the linux script by late February for the 2008.0 beta.


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Re: [gentoo-releng] Re: Call for feature requests for 2008.0

[Randall D. Wald]

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Actually, I found a script to convert a Ubuntu LiveCD into a LiveUSB;
maybe you could use it as a starting point. It's attached.

Sincerely,

Randall Wald

Nelson Batalha wrote:
>> If someone were to take the time to put together a batch
>> file/syslinux.exe combination for Windows and a bash script/syslinux
>> combination for Linux, I'd add them to the CD.
> 
> I'll try to have the linux script by late February for the 2008.0 beta.
> 
> 
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Re: [gentoo-releng] Re: Call for feature requests for 2008.0

[Dan Dexter]

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On Sunday 27 January 2008 05:59:47 pm Randall D. Wald wrote:
> Actually, I found a script to convert a Ubuntu LiveCD into a LiveUSB;
> maybe you could use it as a starting point. It's attached.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Randall Wald
>
> Nelson Batalha wrote:
> >> If someone were to take the time to put together a batch
> >> file/syslinux.exe combination for Windows and a bash script/syslinux
> >> combination for Linux, I'd add them to the CD.
> >
> > I'll try to have the linux script by late February for the 2008.0 beta.
> >
> >
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This sounds like a great idea. What about the minimal install CD though? Last 
I checked the minimal install image wouldn't boot off a USB flash drive 
unless you were using the 2006.0 image. I know liveUSB isn't "officially" 
supported but if someone got the free time to get the minimal images to boot 
from USB flash, I know it would make a lot of people happy.

--Dan Dexter

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Re: [gentoo-releng] Re: Call for feature requests for 2008.0

[Dan Dexter]

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On Sunday 27 January 2008 05:59:47 pm Randall D. Wald wrote:
> Actually, I found a script to convert a Ubuntu LiveCD into a LiveUSB;
> maybe you could use it as a starting point. It's attached.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Randall Wald
>
> Nelson Batalha wrote:
> >> If someone were to take the time to put together a batch
> >> file/syslinux.exe combination for Windows and a bash script/syslinux
> >> combination for Linux, I'd add them to the CD.
> >
> > I'll try to have the linux script by late February for the 2008.0 beta.
> >
> >
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This sounds like a great idea. What about the minimal install CD though? Last 
I checked the minimal install image wouldn't boot off a USB flash drive 
unless you were using the 2006.0 image. I know liveUSB isn't "officially" 
supported but if someone got the free time to get the minimal images to boot 
from USB flash, I know it would make a lot of people happy.

--Dan Dexter

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RE: [gentoo-releng] Re: Call for feature requests for 2008.0

[Nelson Batalha]

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> This sounds like a great idea. What about the minimal install CD though? Last 
> I checked the minimal install image wouldn't boot off a USB flash drive 
> unless you were using the 2006.0 image. I know liveUSB isn't "officially" 
> supported but if someone got the free time to get the minimal images to boot 
> from USB flash, I know it would make a lot of people happy.
> 
> --Dan Dexter


This means they will become supported. One however could release a tar just for the liveusb but it just takes space in reps, and it's necessary to have a script in both solutions so..

I haven't tried myself, someone knows what's different with these cd's?

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Re: [gentoo-releng] Re: Call for feature requests for 2008.0

[Andrew Gaffney]

Nelson Batalha wrote:
>  > This sounds like a great idea. What about the minimal install CD 
> though? Last
>  > I checked the minimal install image wouldn't boot off a USB flash drive
>  > unless you were using the 2006.0 image. I know liveUSB isn't 
> "officially"
>  > supported but if someone got the free time to get the minimal images 
> to boot
>  > from USB flash, I know it would make a lot of people happy.
>  >
>  > --Dan Dexter
> 
> 
> This means they will become supported. One however could release a tar 
> just for the liveusb but it just takes space in reps, and it's necessary 
> to have a script in both solutions so..
> 
> I haven't tried myself, someone knows what's different with these cd's?

The problem was the same with both the minimal and the LiveCD. In 2006.1, 
genkernel was using -t iso9660 to mount the "CD root". In 2007.0, vfat (or maybe 
it was the NLS stuff) was built as a module in the kernel and that module wasn't 
available in the initramfs. Neither of these should be the case for 2008.0.

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Re: [gentoo-releng] Re: Call for feature requests for 2008.0

[Xavier Neys]

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Andrew Gaffney wrote:
> Nelson Batalha wrote:
>>  > This sounds like a great idea. What about the minimal install CD 
>> though? Last
>>  > I checked the minimal install image wouldn't boot off a USB flash 
>> drive
>>  > unless you were using the 2006.0 image. I know liveUSB isn't 
>> "officially"
>>  > supported but if someone got the free time to get the minimal 
>> images to boot
>>  > from USB flash, I know it would make a lot of people happy.
>>  >
>>  > --Dan Dexter
>>
>>
>> This means they will become supported. One however could release a tar 
>> just for the liveusb but it just takes space in reps, and it's 
>> necessary to have a script in both solutions so..
>>
>> I haven't tried myself, someone knows what's different with these cd's?
> 
> The problem was the same with both the minimal and the LiveCD. In 
> 2006.1, genkernel was using -t iso9660 to mount the "CD root". In 
> 2007.0, vfat (or maybe it was the NLS stuff) was built as a module in 
> the kernel and that module wasn't available in the initramfs. Neither of 
> these should be the case for 2008.0.


I'd be happy to test the minimal ISO against our doc if I can get my hands on 
the ISO in time :)
iirc, the mount -t iso9660 was fixed, but the vfat/nls modules were missing.


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Re: [gentoo-releng] Re: Call for feature requests for 2008.0

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 17:58 +0100, Xavier Neys wrote:
> I'd be happy to test the minimal ISO against our doc if I can get my hands on 
> the ISO in time :)

There will be the public Beta, but I can get you an ISO image as soon as
we have one ready for testing.

> iirc, the mount -t iso9660 was fixed, but the vfat/nls modules were missing.

Nope.  The modules were there.  They needed to be built-in or genkernel
needed to be told to include them.  It doesn't, by default.

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RE: [gentoo-releng] Re: Call for feature requests for 2008.0

[Nelson Batalha]

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It's in http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=208499, everyone interested please test and post comments/patches there.

If I have the time I'll try and make it prettier since it'll be the first gentoo contact to new users :)

From: nelson_batalha@hotmail.com
To: gentoo-releng@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: RE: [gentoo-releng] Re: Call for feature requests for 2008.0
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:19:47 +0000








> If someone were to take the time to put together a batch
> file/syslinux.exe combination for Windows and a bash script/syslinux
> combination for Linux, I'd add them to the CD.

I'll try to have the linux script by late February for the 2008.0 beta.


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Re: [gentoo-releng] Re: Call for feature requests for 2008.0

[John Alberts]

On Feb 1, 2008 3:07 PM, Nelson Batalha <nelson_batalha@hotmail.com> wrote:
> It's in http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=208499, everyone interested
> please test and post comments/patches there.

Nice work.  What do I test it with?  Will it work with the 2007.0 release media?

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RE: [gentoo-releng] Re: Call for feature requests for 2008.0

[Nelson Batalha]

It works with the releases that are compatible with http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/liveusb.xml, I think only 2006.1 is the exception (search this list).

> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 15:32:15 -0600
> From: john.m.alberts@gmail.com
> To: gentoo-releng@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-releng] Re: Call for feature requests for 2008.0
>
> On Feb 1, 2008 3:07 PM, Nelson Batalha  wrote:
>> It's in http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=208499, everyone interested
>> please test and post comments/patches there.
>
> Nice work. What do I test it with? Will it work with the 2007.0 release media?
>
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Re: [gentoo-releng] Re: Call for feature requests for 2008.0

[Andrew Gaffney]

Nelson Batalha wrote:
> It works with the releases that are compatible with http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/liveusb.xml, I think only 2006.1 is the exception (search this list).

Stop top posting, people! Argh!

The other exception is 2007.0. It was missing the nls modules in the initramfs 
that the vfat module required. The modules were built with the kernel and are 
available once the CD is fully booted, but that doesn't help with booting from 
USB :)

2006.0 is the latest release that this should work with. I'll try to find my USB 
stick later and give the script some testing.

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RE: [gentoo-releng] Re: Call for feature requests for 2008.0

[Nelson Batalha]

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> Nelson Batalha wrote:
> > It works with the releases that are compatible with http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/liveusb.xml, I think only 2006.1 is the exception (search this list).
> 
> Stop top posting, people! Argh!
> 

This is not top posting... Do I have to explain why?... 

It may not be an interesting question but it was a legitimate one and I used my patience to reply to it. I won't however use my patience to be criticized for doing free work and replying uninteresting questions for the good of the community (no offense John, everyone makes them)...

ps: besides install-x86-minimal-2007.0-r1 works for me.


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Re: [gentoo-releng] Re: Call for feature requests for 2008.0

[John Alberts]

Very nice script.  It worked for me with the 700M amd64 2007.0 iso
name livecd-amd64-installer-2007.0.iso.  Booted up without problem on
my Dell Inspiron 1720.
Assuming it's not a problem to add the 1.5M for syslinux on the
install cd, this would be a very nice feature to boast about on the
install disc.

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